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Omaha bar owner who shot a black protester will not be charged

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Omaha bar owner who shot a black protester will not be charged - CNN


Two people jumped on Gardner's back and he fired two warning shots, the county attorney said. Within moments, Scurlock jumped into the fray, according to authorities. Gardner told police he was put in a chokehold and he begged for the assailant to get off of him, Kleine told reporters.
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Interesting use of the affirmative nature of self defense laws.
 
I don't know, if the story is true as reported, it would seem that these guys jumped on him and tried to choke him out. In this era of riots and violence I could understand if he truly felt endangered in such a situation.
 
Metric Mouse said:
Omaha bar owner who shot a black protester will not be charged - CNN

Interesting use of the affirmative nature of self defense laws.
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Jeff Zucker's trying to stir up more trouble and make red states look racist

Scurlock literally jumped on top of a mob of people which Gardner was underneath - there was no reason to point out the race of either party, except to incite more rioting

George Floyd's death was hurrendous, but this has nothing to do with racial profiling or police brutality - If a mob of people jump on top of you, you have the right to defend yourself
 
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ReubenSherr said:
Jeff Zucker's trying to stir up more trouble and make red states look racist

Scurlock literally jumped on top of a mob of people which Gardner was underneath - there was no reason to point out the race of either party, except to incite more rioting

George Floyd's death was hurrendous, but this has nothing to do with racial profiling or police brutality - If a mob of people jump on top of you, you have the right to defend yourself
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Zuck smells a buck.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Jeff Zucker's trying to stir up more trouble and make red states look racist
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Er....most of the red states don't need "Zucker's" help to do that.
 
Anthony60 said:
Why is the guy being referred to as a "protester"? That implies that he was protesting, then was shot and killed. Oh, wait, CNN? I see what they are doing.
Why didn't they say "former toddler shot"? I guess they don't want to mislead anyone.
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It sounds like the shooting occurred during a demonstration... are you suggesting the deceased was not demonstrating at the time?
 
There have been a number of stories I've read lately that have attributed actions to "protesters", "demonstrators" or "looters" that, upon examination, make the claims doubtful. I was saddened by the death of a St. Louis retired cop, David Dorn, but the FOX headline was "St. Louis Police Captain Killed by Looters." The the victim was a 77 year old retired cop acting as an informal security guard, and the pawn shop had been looted, but there was no apparent direct connection to the riot noted. Several news entities tend to sensationalize tragedy, CNN included. The most accurate headline on the story was in the Hill: Retired St. Louis police captain killed outside looted pawn shop.
 
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I'm fairly sure that in all 50 states you have the right to use deadly force in self-defense against deadly force. The wording of the instruction varies, but the principle is the same...

But why is this news? There are 14,000 homicides or so every year in the states and 1,400,000 violent crimes.
 
ReubenSherr said:
You realize that comment was racist
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= "I know. I'll idiotically call something racism that isn't racism. Then, people who care about racism will start doubting whether they are correct, having seen me call something racist that isn't racist."

:lamo

What a stupid way to try to try to deny racism.



ReubenSherr said:
Rural white citizens - He stereotyped rural whites, and acted like he was superior - no different than stereotyping another other group
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"rural" isn't a race. Bad try, no cigar.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Rural white citizens - He stereotyped rural whites, and acted like he was superior - no different than stereotyping another other group
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How so?
 
Metric Mouse said:
It sounds like the shooting occurred during a demonstration... are you suggesting the deceased was not demonstrating at the time?
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The headline makes it sound like a black guy holding a sign was shot.
 
Gardner, a former Marine, pleaded guilty to a charge of carrying a concealed weapon in 2011, and a similar charge against him was dropped in 2013 in a case in which he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct, records show. . . . Kleine presented surveillance camera video at Monday’s news conference that showed Gardner and Scurlock exchange words after someone in the crowd pushed Gardner’s father. The conflict worsened, and two men ended up tussling with Gardner on the ground, during which time Gardner fired what the prosecutor called “warning shots.” Scurlock’s friends fled and Scurlock then jumped on Gardner, who shot and killed him, authorities said. . . . Kleine said Monday that Gardner later told police he feared for his life. The prosecutor said that while the group might have had a “heated conversation” there was never any “racial tone” to the exchange.
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But witnesses told a different version of the altercation. Derek Stephens, a local bartender who knows Gardner, was passing by shortly before the conflict became violent and said that he heard Gardner say “Kiss my white ass” and that Gardner’s father yelled the “n-word” at protesters.“I feel like the old man instigated the incident with a racial slur,” Stephens said. . . . While authorities saw a white man acting in self-defense, others saw a black man bravely protecting others by jumping on a man firing a gun. “The kid jumped on an active shooter to stop him from continuing to discharge his weapon, and they are calling his murder justified,” protester Nikki Catron wrote in a Facebook post. “In my eyes, James Scurlock was a hero.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html#comments-wrapper
 
Metric Mouse said:
It sounds like the shooting occurred during a demonstration... are you suggesting the deceased was not demonstrating at the time?
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Are you suggesting he wasn’t a former toddler?


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Anthony60 said:
Are you suggesting he wasn’t a former toddler?
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There are records indicating the shooter was a habitual asshole, does that figure in?
 
Anthony60 said:
Are you suggesting he wasn’t a former toddler?


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No, I am not. Did he stop being a toddler just moments before he attacked someone?
 
mrdeltoid said:
The headline makes it sound like a black guy holding a sign was shot.
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I would argue that shows projection on your part. Not all protests involve only people peacefully holding signs and chanting together in roped off, designated areas.
 
NWRatCon said:
There are records indicating the shooter was a habitual asshole, does that figure in?
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It depends who the victim is. Some victims are described in a sympathetic way, others are not. It also depends on your perspective, and whose ox is getting gored. In this case, there is race and 2A implications. My guess is most liberals will empathize with the attacker, most conservatives will empathize with the shooter. Now, this is sight unseen. The video should add clarity.
 
Metric Mouse said:
I would argue that shows projection on your part. Not all protests involve only people peacefully holding signs and chanting together in roped off, designated areas.
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Well, yeah, if he was protesting by jumping on the guy, I'd look at it differently.
 
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