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Independent autopsy shows George Floyd died from 'asphyxiation from sustained pressure'

I feel a little bit sorry for the coroner. He might just lose his job over his cause of death autopsy. Corruption runs much deeper than meets the eye. What would you do if the lives and well being of your family were at stake?
 
jimbo said:
An autopsy commissioned by those with a vested interest is not independent. On either side.
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Tell me what vested interest did this latest autopsy have? Unless you want to say he was paid after his autopsy and not before for a result?
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually.. it probably was not a "fake autopsy". It would not surprise me that there were no signs of "strangulation".. The cop was kneeling on the side of the mans neck for several minutes. The reality is that the man probably COULD breath when he said "I can't breath"... he says it several times. To be able to say things.. well you have to be able to breathe... no air in.. no air out to pass the vocal cords.
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Yes people gasp out their last breaths. And when they stop talking...which he did...that's when they die. Obviously it's process of less and less air :roll: The pressure obviously continued past the point where he 'spoke.'

The fact that he could only gasp out some words proves that process was underway. Do people expect a declaration from the victim at the time of death? What, in sign language? :roll:




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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jaeger19 said:
Actually breathing through a straw is often done as a demonstration to medical students to get them a sense of breathing with COPD or asthma.
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jaeger19 said:
Our demonstration lasted at least 30 minutes as we went through resting, and then various levels of exercise until we couldn't sustain enough oxygen.
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I thought you said you werent a Dr. (Currently or in the past) I asked you recently.

When were you undergoing training as a medical student?



This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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poweRob said:
Tell me what vested interest did this latest autopsy have? Unless you want to say he was paid after his autopsy and not before for a result?
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"Experts hired by George Floyd's family "
 
gorilla said:
We all saw that this man was dying on camera. He started to speak slower and slower until he was gone.

They lifted up a lifeless body but im sure people are going to stick with the original report because "cops dont lie". The same cops that said that he was resisting but videos say otherwise
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Both autopsies state he died from the restraint. 2nd autopsy seems to indicate it was the other officer with his knee in his back that prevented him from breathing and theorizes that the knee to the neck cut off blood flow to his brain not air to his lungs. Knee to the neck by itself would have just caused him to pass out. Knee to the back by itself would have made it difficult and labored to breathe. Two together killed him. Id say the two cops are no more or less guilty than each other. Not sure what the law says about holding a guys feet still while the other two kill him.
 
Winston said:
VanceMack nailed it. Believe your eyes. George Floyd died from a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. How can you question what you saw?
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Just watched Baden interview on FOX. It was the knee to his back that kept him from breathing.
 
dixon01767 said:
Just watched Baden interview on FOX. It was the knee to his back that kept him from breathing.
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That actually makes more sense. Sitting on someone's chest (or back) can suffocate them - it's happened before. They can fight to move some air, but not for long. Pinning his neck with a knee would be painful - but wasn't blocking the airway.
 
jimbo said:
"Experts hired by George Floyd's family "
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So you are saying they bought the answer they want from this guy. :lol:

He'd never have a job again for doing that. However, the official coroner position would get a raise for doing that.
 
dcsports said:
That actually makes more sense. Sitting on someone's chest (or back) can suffocate them - it's happened before. They can fight to move some air, but not for long. Pinning his neck with a knee would be painful - but wasn't blocking the airway.
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actually what it would do would be to block the blood supply going to the brain.
 
jaeger19 said:
actually what it would do would be to block the blood supply going to the brain.
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In theory, it could, but that didn't appear to be the issue here.
 
poweRob said:
So you are saying they bought the answer they want from this guy. :lol:

He'd never have a job again for doing that. However, the official coroner position would get a raise for doing that.
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Try reading what I say instead of what you think I say.

I get that CNN calls him independent, but fact is he was hired by a non disinterested party.
 
jimbo said:
Try reading what I say instead of what you think I say.

I get that CNN calls him independent, but fact is he was hired by a non disinterested party.
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You are saying his opinion is for hire with no proof at all. Evidence counter to that is that he still has a job.
 
poweRob said:
You are saying his opinion is for hire with no proof at all. Evidence counter to that is that he still has a job.
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I didn't say that at all. And I didn't say his opinion is for hire.

I'm saying that someone who is hired by someone is not independent.
 
dcsports said:
In theory, it could, but that didn't appear to be the issue here.
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Actually.. it looks like it was exactly the issue here. He was able to get breath as he was able to say "I can't breathe".. repeatedly. Which means that air was passing over his vocal cords.. and you need to have air in.. to push air out and verbalize. In all likelihood.. and when you look at the angle and where the knee was placed, the carotid artery or arteries and possibly the vertebral artery was compressed. This would lead to blacking out. cardiac arrest, and death.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually.. it looks like it was exactly the issue here. He was able to get breath as he was able to say "I can't breathe".. repeatedly. Which means that air was passing over his vocal cords.. and you need to have air in.. to push air out and verbalize. In all likelihood.. and when you look at the angle and where the knee was placed, the carotid artery or arteries and possibly the vertebral artery was compressed. This would lead to blacking out. cardiac arrest, and death.
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It's a carotid hold.

That's an artery.

It's designed to cut off blood to the brain.

Difficulty breathing is a side effect of having one's neck crushed.

One would think anybody who has a neck would know that.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually.. it looks like it was exactly the issue here. He was able to get breath as he was able to say "I can't breathe".. repeatedly. Which means that air was passing over his vocal cords.. and you need to have air in.. to push air out and verbalize. In all likelihood.. and when you look at the angle and where the knee was placed, the carotid artery or arteries and possibly the vertebral artery was compressed. This would lead to blacking out. cardiac arrest, and death.
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Honestly... that's not what it looked like. If his carotid artery was compressed, he would have blacked out almost immediately, and the angle didn't look like that. Asphyxiation from the chest compression makes a lot more sense. Of course, all of those officers are responsible for holding him well beyond any point of necessity, and for failing to render aid when he was obviously in distress.

I do think it's interesting that all the photos posted focus on the one officer - very few from the back angle that shows the other two officers holding him down. I had no idea two other officers were sitting on him, until one outlet showed the other angle after the autopsy. I worked on an ambulance for years, and have seen a victim of asphyxiation from chest compression over a prolonged period before, in a very similar situation. (The guards thought the person was 'faking it', and continued to sit on the victim). Having seen the other officers - this is a more likely cause of death.
 
dcsports said:
That actually makes more sense. Sitting on someone's chest (or back) can suffocate them - it's happened before. They can fight to move some air, but not for long. Pinning his neck with a knee would be painful - but wasn't blocking the airway.
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That is how the big constricting snakes kill. They keep the pressure up, then each time their prey inhales to try and catch a breath, they just constrict further. Doesnt even take that much strength, just taking up the slack each time. Eventually, the prey cannot expand their lungs to bring in any air. But they can gasp and make noises 'while' that's happening, just like a person could beg for their life when it happened to them...for awhile.



This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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dcsports said:
Honestly... that's not what it looked like. If his carotid artery was compressed, he would have blacked out almost immediately, and the angle didn't look like that. Asphyxiation from the chest compression makes a lot more sense. Of course, all of those officers are responsible for holding him well beyond any point of necessity, and for failing to render aid when he was obviously in distress.

I do think it's interesting that all the photos posted focus on the one officer - very few from the back angle that shows the other two officers holding him down. I had no idea two other officers were sitting on him, until one outlet showed the other angle after the autopsy. I worked on an ambulance for years, and have seen a victim of asphyxiation from chest compression over a prolonged period before, in a very similar situation. (The guards thought the person was 'faking it', and continued to sit on the victim). Having seen the other officers - this is a more likely cause of death.
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Agreed. So much BS about not talking while being choked. I've choked many times...never stopped being able to gasp or speak at least some. And never died :doh


Yes people gasp out their last breaths. And when they stop talking...which he did...that's when they die. Obviously it's process of less and less air :roll: The pressure obviously continued past the point where he 'spoke.'

The fact that he could only gasp out some words proves that process was underway. Do people expect a declaration from the victim at the time of death? What, in sign language? :roll:​

There's a difference between being choked and being choked to death. :roll: Otherwise in the past police depts wouldnt have taught choke-holds. However they stopped teaching it (AFAIK) because this kind of tragedy can occur when taken too far.



This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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ClaraD said:
why would you pray for me? They are diagnosed for a verified medical condition and are required for that condition.
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For your continued psychological therapy and psychiatric drug use that it be successful
 
free press said:
For your continued psychological therapy and psychiatric drug use that it be successful
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It isn't anything wrong with me psychiatric wise. I have ADHD. It isn't psychiatric as other mental illnesses and cannot be corrected with seeing a therapist...except for helping you plan and organize. It is a neurological disorder. If you take a scan of a brain with ADHD and test their response times with a person without ADHD and their response times, they are different. The medication assists me and works for me. My medication in a drug test is shown as an ampethamine, but it is not a true amphetamine...I take Concerta XR. It works quite well for me. I didn't have the attention span of a gnat before I was diagnosed. I can now focus on things like a normal person and sleep normal patterns of 8 hours.
 
dcsports said:
Honestly... that's not what it looked like. If his carotid artery was compressed, he would have blacked out almost immediately, and the angle didn't look like that. Asphyxiation from the chest compression makes a lot more sense. Of course, all of those officers are responsible for holding him well beyond any point of necessity, and for failing to render aid when he was obviously in distress.

I do think it's interesting that all the photos posted focus on the one officer - very few from the back angle that shows the other two officers holding him down. I had no idea two other officers were sitting on him, until one outlet showed the other angle after the autopsy. I worked on an ambulance for years, and have seen a victim of asphyxiation from chest compression over a prolonged period before, in a very similar situation. (The guards thought the person was 'faking it', and continued to sit on the victim). Having seen the other officers - this is a more likely cause of death.
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Actually no. For one. you have four arteries that supply blood to the brain. Two carotids. (left and right) and two vertebral arteries (left and right. (they go up the back of the neck and pass through holes in the transverse processes of your cervical vertebrae).

This is why when you watch an MMA fight... when a choke (which usually cuts off the carotids) gets applied.. it takes a while for the person to pass out.. or in some cases they can fight out of it.
In the case of Floyd.. the officers angle would likely compress the left side circulation particularly the carotid and the vertebral arteries on the left. This is why he did not immediately pass out. It took a while for insufficient blood flow to cause him to pass out and die. Which is why he lasted for 9 minutes or more. Now..imagine having your airway completely occluded for 9 minutes? You wouldn't make even that long and you would not be able to talk.

Now.. some of eluded that Floyd was slowly crushed like an anaconda.. well no. Because when an anaconda attacks its prey.. it gets a grip and then with each expiration.. IT SQUEEZES tighter. Not so with Floyd. The officer was NOT steadily increasing pressure.

Now.. if he was on his chest.. well then you could argue that as the person tires. and can't fight the weight on the chest.. they would be able to breathe and then slowly lose the ability to expand the chest as their muscles tired. But that's apparently not what happened here. From the pictures and reports.. though there was a point in which other officers were holding him down, I have seen no indication that they were sitting on his chest for a prolonged period. It appears from all reports that they were simply standing by for most of the time.. which is likely why they have not been charged.
 
jaeger19 said:
Now.. some of eluded that Floyd was slowly crushed like an anaconda.. well no. Because when an anaconda attacks its prey.. it gets a grip and then with each expiration.. IT SQUEEZES tighter. Not so with Floyd. The officer was NOT steadily increasing pressure.
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:doh It's called gravity. He didnt have to apply more pressure. Each time Floyd's chest or throat constricted, the weight of the cop would compress it to that level and it would remain there.




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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