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NYPD officer plows into crowd of George Floyd protesters in Brooklyn

Decypher said:
What do you think would be an appropriate response?
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First off calling this a protest is a lie. It is no longer a protest it riot. The response is whatever it takes to quell the riot while supporting peaceful protests.

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Jezcoe said:
Well it is obvious that the correct way to protest is to show up in force, heavily armed at a State capitol building.
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Interesting how there wasn't one single act of violence at that 'in force, heavily armed at a State capitol building' protest, innit?
 
BlueTex said:
What damage was caused by a crowd in the middle of a street?
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Exactly. What's the problem with withdrawing then? What should the police do?
 
Mycroft said:
Everything.

Seriously, do you want a lawless mob to be able to destroy everything? Will you want the police to "back out" when that mob gets to your neighborhood?
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Yep, the new normal is to have police simply ignore crime. Protestors should be free to block roadways, steal whatever they would rather not pay for and burn down the assets of those evil capitalists. ;)
 
Godric1970 said:
they have tried everything else and the murders by the police on blacks still continue are they to do nothing ??
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The problem is more that there is no consequence for officers who do it. Not that people get shot, it sometimes happens but there is a feeling among black and latino's that when something bad happens, even if for the objective person this is largely the fault of the officer, there hardly ever are consequences for the officers.

And that gives the officers the arrogance of being free from consequences in virtually all situations. Because they are almost certain that prosecutors will almost never choose to prosecute and only financial settlements don't hurt them all that much (because it is the city that pays).

Having a internal affairs department is just not a proper way to deal with police investigations. The same goes for the local prosecutors (who are dependent on the "police") because they are so close to a certain police department that they may choose not to prosecute for keeping the peace with the police department/officers.

If there is a police shooting, the local police and the local prosecution play no further part in this case. Our nationale recherche (national detectives unit) does the investigation and a prosecutor from another district that has nothing to do with that police department makes the decision whether or not an officer is prosecuted. That is a much healthier way of doing these things IMO.
 
Jean-s said:
I am not an expert in policing but I am pretty sure driving into the public who pay your wages is not a correct response to a crowd in the road.
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A crowd? That doesn't look like a crowd. It looks like a mob aggressively attacking the police.
 
avatar said:
I'm actually curious what the message from those protesting the police would become if such a thing happened. At this point, what are the police really doing but attempting to prevent more damage. What to the rioters want the police to do?
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I can't speak for everyone, but I think the peaceful protestors are pushing for more meaningful systematic change across the board. (Looters and vandals have their own agenda, so screw them.) Arresting officer Chauvin and firing the others is just addressing the symptom. That the police department had a 19-year veteran on the force who thought it was ok to kneel on a handcuffed and neutralized suspect like this, while his colleagues simply looked the other way and let it happen, is just embarrassing for everyone and is a textbook example of the core problem that needs attention. This is not just about George Floyd anymore, it's also about Amaud Arbery, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, and dozens of others going all the way back to Rodney King. Time after time, the responsible individuals might get a slap on the wrist at most, while the processes that allowed these tragic events to occur in the first place don't seem to be getting enough attention. It's no longer enough to be reactionary to tragedies like these, the system needs to be more proactive about preventing them in the first place. Better selection processes, better training, better rules, and better checks & balances.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
NYPD officer plows into crowd of George Floyd protesters in Brooklyn

Wonder how much of NY is gonna burn down now....
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Chaotic demonstration? or do you mean riot? Why are you reacting to a 25 second video clip when we don't know the events leading up to it? Are the cops pushing through the crowd in retaliation? Are they fearing for their lives given the hundreds of police vehicles that have been destroyed by rioters? Are they responding to an emergency?

We don't know and if NY burns down for that .. it continues to demonstrate their irrational behavior.
 
holbritter said:
You surround a vehicle, throw bottles at it and what....expect it to just sit there? Get the **** out of the way.

I no longer have any sympathy for anyone rioting, looting, destroying property. Good job protesters.....you have effectively turned off many people to your cause.
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Blaring on their loudspeakers to disperse and keep civil would have been more appropriate.
 
The problem is melinnials. They want to be heroes, to do great things. Sometimes, heroes and great acts that get 24/7 live coverage isn't what's needed.

"If I can't do great things, I will do small things great." Martin Luther King Jr.
 
humbolt said:
A crowd? That doesn't look like a crowd. It looks like a mob aggressively attacking the police.
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Your intemperate language is loaded, which you fully intend. You persuade nobody.
 
Jean-s said:
Your intemperate language is loaded, which you fully intend. You persuade nobody.
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Your attemp to characterize an angry, violent mob as a mere crowd is noted as well.I responded to what is clear on the video. You tried to paint a different picture. I don't care if I persuade you or not. You were lost when you tried to characterize the mob as a mere crowd.
 
holbritter said:
How about the protesters, protest the looting? You think they really care? I don't.
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My take is that you actually get a few different groups with a few different goals at these things.

First, you get the people that are there to protest legitimate injustice. What happened to George Floyd, while probably not intentional, was the result of a cop that just didn't care and a group of cops that seem to have been generally uninterested in the suspect. If a protest can get the department to shift their paradigm to doing what is necessary to enforce the law rather than asserting control over the public then it's a win.

Second, you have people that are just plain angry. A lot of this group leans toward the emotional reaction to a given incident or incidents. They likely have not thought the matter through entirely and have a hard time articulating exactly why they are angry but they definitely feel a need to vent. This group is often the largest contingent. They tend to be interested in effecting some kind of change but aren't entirely clear on what changes will be viable.

Third, you have the group that is less interested in the cause and more interested in exploiting the anger for their own ends. This group simply likes to stir the pot. They naturally gravitate toward whatever action gets the most reaction from the most people.

The fourth group is really the dangerous one. They are the one at the center of the Venn Diagram. They recognize the dynamic of these three other groups and seek to exploit the inevitable chaos for political purposes. This group may not even be on the ground at these protests and rallies but they generally have their hands in all three of the other groups and may even try to use one group against another.
 
Bucky said:
When will you people get it through your thick skull? The people protesting about police brutality are not the same people looting.

That would be like blaming Muslims for 9/11. You are just using these riots to help fuel your racism further.
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Well if you’re protesting in the same vicinity as rioters then it’s really irrelevant what you personally are doing, you’re a rioter
 
holbritter said:
Oh, ok. Looting and destroying property is the answer. Go with that. :roll:
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Don't even try putting words in my mouth. I am all for protests but have said time and time again that rioting is wrong.
 
gdgyva said:
it is....and was there any violence there? were there any shots fired?

march....protest....picket....tat is the AMERICAN WAY

when it turns into rioting, you LOSE the backing of most of the people you want

MLK never threw a rock....a brick....or a bottle....yet, throwing his words swayed a nation

and what do you suppose the protestors WANT? we have a few of these incidents a year....with 800k LE officers on patrol here in the USA, i am amazed that it isnt more

you arent going to FIX the police this way....just going to embolden them more because some of them are bound to get hurt during these protests.....

so again...what do the protestors plan to gain? or is there a plan?
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You are preaching to the choir.

Show up heavily armed and the police don't do anything to you and you get to remain peaceful while screaming in the cop's faces.

Seems like that is the way to go.
 
Gondwanaland said:
Interesting how there wasn't one single act of violence at that 'in force, heavily armed at a State capitol building' protest, innit?
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I know... show up heavily armed and the police leave you alone.

Lessons to be learned.
 
Jezcoe said:
I know... show up heavily armed and the police leave you alone.

Lessons to be learned.
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More like: show up to protest and don't start any **** and the cops leave you alone.
 
apdst said:
More like: show up to protest and don't start any **** and the cops leave you alone.
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When the only language that is used by the police is violence, the only response they get is violence.

Show up heavily armed... the threat of violence goes down.

That has been proven over and over.
 
Mycroft said:
Were people burning and looting during those civil rights marches? If so, then that was a good solution.
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The attacks dogs they used against children were very effective too
 
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