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Declassified Transcripts of Flynn-Kislyak Calls Released

Cardinal said:
Flynn knew the FBI had transcripts...and that’s why he lied to them? Even you have to recognize the laziness of your response.
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I figured you couldn't do the math on that one.

Let me help you.... Flynn didn't lie to the FBI, as the 2 agents who interviewed him reported to Comey and company.

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Cardinal said:
Flynn knew the FBI had transcripts...and that’s why he lied to them? Even you have to recognize the laziness of your response.
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facts state otherwise.
 
Grim17 said:
I figured you couldn't do the math on that one.

Let me help you.... Flynn didn't lie to the FBI, as the 2 agents who interviewed him reported to Comey and company.

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Asked if he discussed sanctions, Flynn said he did not. Agents read the transcript back to him in order to refresh his memory so that he didn’t have to commit the crime of lying to the FBI. He further denied it.

Later Trump fired Flynn for lying to the Vice President.

And later, Flynn pled guilty of lying to the FBI.

Stop defending scumbag criminals.
 
Cardinal said:
Asked if he discussed sanctions, Flynn said he did not. Agents read the transcript back to him in order to refresh his memory so that he didn’t have to commit the crime of lying to the FBI. He further denied it.

Later Trump fired Flynn for lying to the Vice President.

And later, Flynn pled guilty of lying to the FBI.

Stop defending scumbag criminals.
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Stop defending government corruption.

Because Flynn hadn't committed a crime, Comey and his crew decided to create one.

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Grim17 said:
Stop defending government corruption.

Because Flynn hadn't committed a crime, Comey and his crew decided to create one.

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Lame.

Also, you know what the transcripts don’t show? Flynn telling Kislyac to knock off their interference in the US election.

So he lied to the FBI, didn’t take the US’s own side in interference in our election, railroaded official US policy, lied to the VP, was an unregistered foreign agent, pleaded guilty in court, and you’re defending this scumbag.

If he wasn’t connected to trump you would easily recognize him for the criminal scumbag he is, but your TDS won’t allow you to see what’s right in front of your face.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Read, McCord's interview, starting from page 31 in Barr's corrupt motion to dismiss:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...smiss/fa06f5e13a0ec71843b6/optimized/full.pdf

Page 33 and on is interesting:

In the immediate aftermath of learning of the Flynn calls, McCord was not thinking about a criminal investigation. Itseemedlogicalto her that there may be some communications between an incoming administration and their foreign partners, so the Logan Actseemed like a stretch to her. She described the matter as"concerning" but with no particular urgency. In early January, McCord did not think people were considering briefing the incoming administration. However, that changed when Vice President Michael Pence went on Face the Nation and said things McCord knew to be untrue. Also, as time went on, and then-White House spokesperson Sean Spicer made comments about Flynn' s actions she knew to be false, the urgency grew.

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McCord did not recall exactly when she saw the transcripts of the Flynn calls, but believed she asked to see them after Pence's statements about Flynn on Face the Nation . [Agent note: Pence was on Face the Nation on January 15, 2017 .] McCord believed she probably had the transcripts by January 19, 2017, possibly having comeover SIPRnet from Strzok. After reading them, she felt they were "worse" than she initially thought; she noted that her recollection of them is that Flynn proactively raised the issue of sanctions, and she feels it is hard to believe he would forget talking about something he raised himself.

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The three of them discussed what to do with the Flynninformation and agreed someone should discuss their concerns with McCabe. They were concerned because at that point, Pence had said something untrue to the American people, and the Russians knew it was untrue. The implications of that were that the Russians believed one of two things - either that the Vice President was in on it with Flynn, or that Flynn was clearly willing to lie to the Vice President. They ultimately decided McCord would make the call to McCabe to discuss their concerns.
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And the FBI knew-- as we all now know-- there was no criminality or national security issue present in the conversation.
Whatever Flynn told Pence is of no business of the FBI.
The FBI what was said, so blackmail is impossible.
They were simply looking for excuses to keep the investigation going.
 
Grim17 said:
Look, the agents that interviewed him disagree... Even if you believe he lied, that doesn't change the facts... The FBI had no reason to continue investigating Flynn... They interviewed him for the expressed reason of finding something to charge him with, when he had broken no laws.

It was a setup. There's no getting around it.
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How is it a setup?

They knew that he was lying. They had the transcript.

All he had to do was not lie.
 
Cardinal said:
Asked if he discussed sanctions, Flynn said he did not. Agents read the transcript back to him in order to refresh his memory so that he didn’t have to commit the crime of lying to the FBI. He further denied it.

Later Trump fired Flynn for lying to the Vice President.

And later, Flynn pled guilty of lying to the FBI.

Stop defending scumbag criminals.
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If he couldn't defend scumbag criminals, why would he support Trump?
 
Jezcoe said:
So what is the argument here?

That Flynn had the authority to do this? Because he didn't... that is why he lied. He knew he was recorded and he lied anyway. He lied to the VP, he lied to the FBI, he lied to everyone.

The dude lied.
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Yea, but if Trump can do it and scores of low intellect imbeciles will go to any lengths to excuse it, then why not Flynn?
 
Cardinal said:
Lame.

Also, you know what the transcripts don’t show? Flynn telling Kislyac to knock off their interference in the US election.

So he lied to the FBI, didn’t take the US’s own side in interference in our election, railroaded official US policy, lied to the VP, was an unregistered foreign agent, pleaded guilty in court, and you’re defending this scumbag.

If he wasn’t connected to trump you would easily recognize him for the criminal scumbag he is, but your TDS won’t allow you to see what’s right in front of your face.
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What is in front of our face is that there was never a conspiracy between Trump and/or his campaign and Russia to fix the election.
The transcript is simply more evidence of the baselessness of that claim that has consumed the last few years and upon which many hours on DP by many people has been devoted.
 
Jezcoe said:
How is it a setup?

They knew that he was lying. They had the transcript.

All he had to do was not lie.
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If it were a setup, Flynn could have pleaded entrapment. He didn't. He still hasn't. Why is that? Because it isn't. Why not? Because it doesn't meet either of the standards.

In the United States, two competing tests exist for determining whether entrapment has taken place, known as the "subjective" and "objective" tests.

The "subjective" test looks at the defendant's state of mind; entrapment can be claimed if the defendant had no "predisposition" to commit the crime.
The "objective" test looks instead at the government's conduct; entrapment occurs when the actions of government officers would usually have caused a normally law-abiding person to commit a crime.
Contrary to popular belief, the United States does not require police officers to identify themselves as police in the case of a sting or other undercover work, and police officers may lie when engaged in such work. The law of entrapment instead focuses on whether people were enticed to commit crimes they would not have otherwise considered in the normal course of events.
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(Wikipedia) They gave him an out, and he didn't take it.

Federal court
Federal courts apply a subjective test for claims of entrapment. In federal criminal prosecutions, if a defendant proves entrapment the defendant may not be convicted of the underlying crime. A valid entrapment defense has two related elements:

government inducement of the crime, and
the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct.
The federal entrapment defense is based upon statutory construction, the federal courts' interpretation of the will of Congress in passing the criminal statutes. As this is not a constitutional prohibition, Congress may change or override this interpretation by passing a law.
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I am using Wikipedia because going through the whole process of demonstrating the lack of a colorable legal claim would be tedious.
 
hanger4 said:
Mary B. McCord's op-ed is irrelevant to the fact that there was nothing in the Flynn Kislyak phone calls that was illegal or untoward.
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Negotiating with a foreign government official on behalf of the US while a private citizen is illegal. Also, the transcript confirms Flynn lied to the FBI.
 
Airyaman said:
Negotiating with a foreign government official on behalf of the US while a private citizen is illegal. Also, the transcript confirms Flynn lied to the FBI.
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Flynn wasn't a private citizen, he was the incoming head of the NSA, as such he was part of the transition team.

If there was anything illegal or untoward in the phone calls why didn't the FBI/Team Mueller charge him ??
 
hanger4 said:
Flynn wasn't a private citizen, he was the incoming head of the NSA, as such he was part of the transition team.

If there was anything illegal or untoward in the phone calls why didn't the FBI/Team Mueller charge him ??
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Until Trump was sworn in, he was still a private citizen.

As to the latter, because he plead down to lying to the FBI.
 
Athanasius68 said:
And the FBI knew-- as we all now know-- there was no criminality or national security issue present in the conversation.
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Part of the rationale behind the interview is literally right in front of your eyes. The moment Flynn lied about it to WH officials he became a national security threat.

Whatever Flynn told Pence is of no business of the FBI.
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It absolutely is the business of the FBI as the FBI is responsible for domestic U.S. counter-intelligence. It was the duty of the FBI to find out why Flynn lied to Pence.

The FBI what was said, so blackmail is impossible.
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No, the blackmail wasn't about blackmailing the U.S., it was about blackmailing Flynn.

They were simply looking for excuses to keep the investigation going.
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No, they weren't looking for excuses, Flynn LIED. It was on the basis of Flynn's behavior that the FBI felt motivated to interview Flynn.

Flynn is responsible for Flynn's behavior. The FBI is not responsible for Flynn's behavior.
 
Airyaman said:
Of course not, because, well, BIAS.

That's why people in the legal realm recuse. But Trump supporting forumers? "I see nothing'"

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I loved that guy. We named our German Shepard after him. :)
 
Jezcoe said:
How is it a setup?

They knew that he was lying. They had the transcript.

All he had to do was not lie.
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Hard to believe that people like you simply refuse to see the truth.

The transcripts prove that there was no predication to continue the investigation into Flynn (which was supposed to have been shut down weeks before, until Strzok told agents not to do so) and no justification for the FBI to interview Flynn at the WH.

That interview by the FBI was not to gain knowledge or insight, because they asked questions they already had the answers to. It was done for the specific purpose of creating charges against Michael Flynn, who had committed no crime, as the hand written note from Bill Pristap makes clear. The FBI broke protocol by telling Flynn he didn't need a lawyer present, and by not contacting the WH and going through proper channels, which both Comey and Yates have stated publicly or in congressional testimony. The 2 agents that interviewed Flynn, who had possession of the call transcripts, reported back to their superiors after the interview that Flynn although uncertain about some things, was not being deceptive and did not lie to them.

Several months later Comey, McCabe or one of those corrupt cops, made the decision to charge Flynn with making false statements to them anyway. They threatened to charge Flynn with violating the 220 year old Logan Act, something they had no intention of doing because it was believed to be unconstitutional and had never been used to prosecute anyone. They also threatened to investigate and file charges against Flynn's son if he didn't cooperate and plead guilty to the false information charges. Their threats worked, because Flynn agreed and plead guilty, even though he never believed he had lied to them in the first place.

Do you support this kind of corruption taking place within our Justice Department and federal law enforcement agencies? Do you really endorse this the kind of behavior from government officials?

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Airyaman said:
Until Trump was sworn in, he was still a private citizen.

As to the latter, because he plead down to lying to the FBI.
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Yeah you run with that Logan Act BS.

Flynn pled down, do tell ??
 
Grim17 said:
I see... You need others to form your opinions for you.
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Your're right of course. Why would anyone need informed opinions from others more learned than ourselves when we have your legal expertise to rely upon? :roll:
 
Grim17 said:
Hard to believe that people like you simply refuse to see the truth.

The transcripts prove that there was no predication to continue the investigation into Flynn (which was supposed to have been shut down weeks before, until Strzok told agents not to do so) and no justification for the FBI to interview Flynn at the WH.

That interview by the FBI was not to gain knowledge or insight, because they asked questions they already had the answers to. It was done for the specific purpose of creating charges against Michael Flynn, who had committed no crime, as the hand written note from Bill Pristap makes clear. The FBI broke protocol by telling Flynn he didn't need a lawyer present, and by not contacting the WH and going through proper channels, which both Comey and Yates have stated publicly or in congressional testimony. The 2 agents that interviewed Flynn, who had possession of the call transcripts, reported back to their superiors after the interview that Flynn although uncertain about some things, was not being deceptive and did not lie to them.

Several months later Comey, McCabe or one of those corrupt cops, made the decision to charge Flynn with making false statements to them anyway. They threatened to charge Flynn with violating the 220 year old Logan Act, something they had no intention of doing because it was believed to be unconstitutional and had never been used to prosecute anyone. They also threatened to investigate and file charges against Flynn's son if he didn't cooperate and plead guilty to the false information charges. Their threats worked, because Flynn agreed and plead guilty, even though he never believed he had lied to them in the first place.

Do you support this kind of corruption taking place within our Justice Department and federal law enforcement agencies? Do you really endorse this the kind of behavior from government officials?

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Damn, just damn! There's practically nothing in that rant of yours that is accurate.
 
Athanasius68 said:
What is in front of our face is that there was never a conspiracy between Trump and/or his campaign and Russia to fix the election.
The transcript is simply more evidence of the baselessness of that claim that has consumed the last few years and upon which many hours on DP by many people has been devoted.
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these people do not care about facts.
 
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