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Minneapolis cop who knelt on handcuffed black man arrested

TurtleDude said:
yeah and a few years ago, a U of Cincinnati cop shot an unarmed guy fatally and he walked too. All the facts are not in. It looks like reckless homicide at a MINIMUM, but who knows. There are stories that the cop and the deceased worked together as security at some club now.
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What I've heard is that one of them worked outside security, and the other inside, so they might've not ever intracted with each other, or at least on a limited scale. Still, if there's personal gripe here, then that'll be interesting to find out.
 
TheGoverness said:
What I've heard is that one of them worked outside security, and the other inside, so they might've not ever intracted with each other, or at least on a limited scale. Still, if there's personal gripe here, then that'll be interesting to find out.
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if there was a personal beef before hand, that makes the cop's actions look premeditated.
 
TurtleDude said:
usually, but a lethal encounter involving a citizen and a cop doesn't immediately scream murder.
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Based on what the video seems to suggest do you see evidence that this could be charged as murder 1. Not saying they will but from what I saw it seems like its a possibility. Im curious with your background if you agree or not.

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trouble13 said:
Based on what the video seems to suggest do you see evidence that this could be charged as murder 1. Not saying they will but from what I saw it seems like its a possibility. Im curious with your background if you agree or not.

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I think the proper offenses that could be charged run from second degree murder down to reckless homicide. But there are some other factual issues percolating the could up it to Murder 1
 
TurtleDude said:
Zimmerman was a punk but he was acquitted. This looks far more likely to be sufficient for some sort of homicide verdict.
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It looks like manslaughter to me.
 
CMPancake said:
My understanding that normally people are arrested on the spot if they are seen murdering someone in the middle of the street in broad daylight.
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Particularly when three of the eye witnesses ar cops...
 
TurtleDude said:
maybe so but its a very good system. and I'd rather ten guilty walk than one innocent man be condemned or jailed. many of the issues with blacks and the justice system are tainted by centuries old racism but many are also caused by cultural problems. Example-many black on black murders or robberies are not solved. This is not due to a lack of effort by the police or prosecutors, but rather due to a well known reticence of blacks to cooperate with the police or the DA. Years ago, in Cincinnati, a conservative member of local government addressed claims that blacks in the public school system were subjected to more discipline than whites. He used a large school where black and white attendance was pretty even and the socio-economic environment for both groups was fairly even. He noted that he attended the graduation ceremony for that HS. Before the graduates were named, the principal noted that parents and families should restrain from applauding until all the graduates were given their diplomas-due to the number of graduates. The politician stated that almost all the white graduates' families complied with the request, but few of the black families did. The politician noted that if the families of students couldn't obey simple directions, it only made sense that their children were more likely to disobey while at school. Of course, he was attacked as 'being racist" and some enablers tried to argue that graduating HS was a far bigger deal for black students than white, so the enthusiasm of their families was understandable.
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Honestly, sounds like that politician was basing his opinion on a small sample size. I agree that 10 guilty people going free, while certainly not good, is better than innocent person being convicted and going to prison.
 
azgreg said:
It looks like manslaughter to me.
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yeah, based on the current factual environment I'd say that is a reasonable prediction-reckless homicide might be appropriate. Now, there are claims these two knew each other prior to the confrontation, and if there was a personal animus PRIOR to the encounter-that could change things
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, based on the current factual environment I'd say that is a reasonable prediction-reckless homicide might be appropriate. Now, there are claims these two knew each other prior to the confrontation, and if there was a personal animus PRIOR to the encounter-that could change things
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Even with that you'd have to prove intent right?
 
Puigb said:
Honestly, sounds like that politician was basing his opinion on a small sample size. I agree that 10 guilty people going free, while certainly not good, is better than innocent person being convicted and going to prison.
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well he was basing it on the biggest of several schools in the system so it was a reasonable sampling.
 
Excon said:
So you did not pay attention to the post you are replying to. Figures.
I did not say he was chattering away the entire time.
Again.

You clearly are not understanding what you read. He literally spoke the entire time that he spoke.
Do you really not understand the difference between that and perhaps someone saying he spoke the entire time?​

What exactly do you not understand about that?


I am not going to entertain your absurdity of an exception to the rule without evidence that exception occurred.


He showed he could breath when he was saying he couldn't. He was lying.
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You know you can speak under water, but you can't inhale now can you???
 
TheGoverness said:
Have you ever run into this kind of dilemma as a prosecutor, in terms of determining intent?
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sure-in both criminal and civil cases. In some civil cases, a proof protocol was established by the courts. In criminal cases, usually intent is proven by actions. Sometimes that is obvious, sometimes not so much.
 
Chomsky said:
As I'm watching his Minneapolis peer citizens live on cable, my gut feeling is the jury will feel similarly.
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All you need is one right wing klansman on the jury to have a mistrial.
 
Excon said:
So you did not pay attention to the post you are replying to. Figures.
I did not say he was chattering away the entire time.
Again.

You clearly are not understanding what you read. He literally spoke the entire time that he spoke.
Do you really not understand the difference between that and perhaps someone saying he spoke the entire time?​

What exactly do you not understand about that?


I am not going to entertain your absurdity of an exception to the rule without evidence that exception occurred.


He showed he could breath when he was saying he couldn't. He was lying.
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Nowhere to be found until a cop kills a black guy. Then poof... there you are. It's like magic ain't it?
 
azgreg said:
Even with that you'd have to prove intent right?
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I beleive that the specific intent bar is very low (non-esistent?) for manslaughter or 3rd degree homicide - it requires only that the act causing death was reasonably likely to do so.
 
poweRob said:
Nowhere to be found until a cop kills a black guy. Then poof... there you are. It's like magic ain't it?
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You thinking like that just shows how absurd your thoughts are in regards to these topics.
 
Winston said:
Have you really never been choked before?
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You know making things personal just shows you have no valid argument right?

But I will entertain your absurdity.

Yes, a heimlich maneuver had to be preformed on me when my airway was block. I could not speak either.
 
mike2810 said:
You have no evidence for your stance.
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iLOL My stance is that you have no actual evidence as to why he died.
You have failed to show that is wrong.


mike2810 said:
Fact. The LEO had his knee on Floyd's neck for over 8 minutes.
Fact. The practice taught to LEO's is to get the person off his back faced down as soon as handcuffs are applied.
Fact. Law Enforcement knows the applied knee tactic is dangerous.

If you don't believe those items are not facts, you have not investigated or reviewed material that is available.
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Nothing you said is relevant to you not having any evidence of wrong doing to begin with.
 
GDViking said:
You know you can speak under water, but you can't inhale now can you???
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You most definitely can inhale under water.
So stop with the bs.
 
Parrish said:
Did he die of an assisted suicide, then?
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Did I claim I knew what he died of?
Or did I perhaps point out that others do not actually know either?
 
Excon said:
So you did not pay attention to the post you are replying to. Figures.
I did not say he was chattering away the entire time.
Again.

You clearly are not understanding what you read. He literally spoke the entire time that he spoke.
Do you really not understand the difference between that and perhaps someone saying he spoke the entire time?​

What exactly do you not understand about that?


I am not going to entertain your absurdity of an exception to the rule without evidence that exception occurred.


He showed he could breath when he was saying he couldn't. He was lying.
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So “he literally spoke the entire time he spoke” is a nonsensical statement.

Did he speak the entire time or not?
 
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