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Trump to 'sign executive order about social media

It is amazing how the right wing values 'free speech' until it's critical of Dear Leader, and respects private property until the property owner doesn't behave like they want, then they want an army of federal and state bureaucrats policing every moderation decision and speech in general on Twitter and Facebook.

It's almost like the principle is - Don't be MEAN TO TRUMP/CONSERVATIVES!!! It's not FAIR!!!

The worst thing here is Twitter didn't take down Trump's tweet, or the one this morning calling for violence against protesters, who he called "THUGS" but flagged them, which is of course a form of...speech. And then the right wingers cheer Trump condemning Twitter for engaging in protected speech, and policing their platform, which is their right because it's their damn property.

It's almost like the principle is - Don't be MEAN TO TRUMP/CONSERVATIVES!!! It's not FAIR!!!

It's "almost" like that?? No Jasper - it IS like that. The people who were all about the free market and private companies having speech rights (where are all the fans of Citizens United anyway?) and government staying out of business practices have become full blown morons who care about nothing but Trump, which is sad in so many ways, not the least among which how Trump has such contempt for them and their mad adoration of him.

I am so ashamed of what my once great party has become. A joke, a disgrace, a cult, and a passel of hypocritical frauds and morons.
 
I don't know. If there are, they undoubtedly spin the facts to give a positive interpretation to Trump. Just as the opposition ones use the same facts to negatively interpret.

fact checks give facts, not spin.
 
It's not a freedom of speech issue - the issue is whether they should continue to be offered special legal protection based on being an "open platform". Once some content gets flagged as being "non-factual" then the platform should become responsible for all of its content.

Stop already with the facts. You're like a turd in a punchbowl breaking up the lovefest of the TDS sufferers.

One guy calls Trump supporters "toothless" ironically from behind his keyboard where he can keep his.
 
Twitter is not just someone replying to Trump's tweets. They are the hosting agency.

I'm sure that small government conservatives are outraged at the idea of the big, bad, federal government hamstringing industry with unnecessary rules and regulations.
 
Stop already with the facts. You're like a turd in a punchbowl breaking up the lovefest of the TDS sufferers.

One guy calls Trump supporters "toothless" ironically from behind his keyboard where he can keep his.

Let us know when a bill is passed that removes the protections. In the meantime, enjoy a presidential trolling.


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Wise words from Professor Turley!

Jonathan Turley
Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University, criminal defense attorney, and legal analyst.

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley


Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley

Trump in my view is right in condemning the action of Twitter. The focus should be on the company's assault on free speech principles. Anyone who values free speech on the Internet and social media should be appalled by this action regardless of their feelings about Pres. Trump.

Yes, it's awful. A private actor criticizing misleading or false statements by the President is an assault on free speech!!!

What a hack that guy has become. It appears he's decided that essentially any speech should be allowed on any platform, in defense of "free speech." So I assume if I go in his house and call him a worthless mother ****ing loser that likes to rape little girls that my speech should be allowed in defense of a principle versus him throwing my ass to the curb where I belong if I take that "speech" into his house.

He also misstates Sec. 230. Here's Turley from an article he wrote: Twitter Hits Trump With New Warning Over Tweet “Glorifying Violence” – JONATHAN TURLEY

Finally, Twitter is making the case against itself. It is given protections under Section 320 [sic] because it has claimed to being neutral supplier of virtual space for people to speak with one another.

That's just false, and he can't be this stupid/ignorant, so he's misleading readers. Here's 230:

(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material
(1)Treatment of publisher or speaker
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

(2)Civil liability No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
(A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or

Being neutral or not has nothing to do with anything. He's making that up, it's not in the law. And when Twitter appends a statement to a Tweet like that by Trump, they ARE inserting themselves into the discussion and can be held liable for what they say, that fact check, but of course being a private actor they have free speech rights as well, and in a free country where free speech is protected, can comment on what the President says unless it's defamatory or whatever.

It's hard enough to have these debates without guys like Turley who know better misrepresenting the issues. And Turley completely ignores the private property interests at stake. I don't need a reason to kick some asshole off my property, and Twitter doesn't have to allow bots, trolls, racists, bigots and liars to pollute its living room. Further, when someone kicks someone off their platform, that's not an assault on "free speech" because we 'censor' free speech in private settings every single day in 100 million different ways. That's FINE. Our benevolent overlords here in DP regulate our speech, because they can and it's a good thing, makes this place bearable. They can do that and still believe in the principles of free speech, which are in fact advanced in many ways by not having to deal with trolls and the like. But whatever our view on that, it doesn't matter - their place, their rules.
 
Stop already with the facts. You're like a turd in a punchbowl breaking up the lovefest of the TDS sufferers.

One guy calls Trump supporters "toothless" ironically from behind his keyboard where he can keep his.

He misstated the facts. Seems to be a problem here. I wonder if anyone has actually read Sec. 230? It's short.

(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material
(1)Treatment of publisher or speaker
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

(2)Civil liability
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
(A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
(B)any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1]

I was on Twitter a little bit tonight, and it's depressing how a bunch of Ivy League trained lawyers, who are now U.S. Senators, are just flat out lying to their constituents on this issue. Hawley and Cruz were the ones I saw this evening.

It's no wonder there is so much disinformation out there when GOP leaders are just flat out lying to defend that asshole Trump. It's so depressing what's become of the GOP. Those guys both know, 100%, they're full of crap and are spreading lies.
 
I'm sure that small government conservatives are outraged at the idea of the big, bad, federal government hamstringing industry with unnecessary rules and regulations.

Yes, they are literally saying that DP, this place, should be liable for lawsuits because of what I post on here.

"Trump is a convicted child molester!!!"

That's defamatory, clearly, and the right wing now believes because DP moderates this place in a non-neutral manner (which they can, under 230, actually), that they are now a publisher, and should, therefore, subject themselves to a lawsuit by Trump, and damages, presumably if they don't take down this post on time. It would be a lawyers wet dream, and it would kill this place and anywhere else that allows comments. But that's what they want because Trump had his fee fees hurt.

The alternative is they want a bunch of federal bureaucrats looking into how DP moderates this place. Are they fair? Do they bias against right wingers? Racists? Not sure if that's OK, actually, but they are biased against racists. Should they be fined, sanctioned, be subject to oversight, because they are biased? Well, let's ask a bureaucrat!! This is the party of free speech and property rights and deregulation - start regulating the ever loving **** out of online comments sections!
 
He misstated the facts. Seems to be a problem here. I wonder if anyone has actually read Sec. 230? It's short.



I was on Twitter a little bit tonight, and it's depressing how a bunch of Ivy League trained lawyers, who are now U.S. Senators, are just flat out lying to their constituents on this issue. Hawley and Cruz were the ones I saw this evening.

It's no wonder there is so much disinformation out there when GOP leaders are just flat out lying to defend that asshole Trump. It's so depressing what's become of the GOP. Those guys both know, 100%, they're full of crap and are spreading lies.

"Fact checking" Trump's tweets with links to fake news media falls under which of those safe harbors? "Otherwise objectionable" is the only logical candidate and that's so subjective it could be cited with damn near any censorship the social medias feel like doing right?

In other words the social media has been given broad powers to censor AND broad protection from liability? My mamma always told me good time, bad times, all times pass. Congress wrote that law and they can change it if it comes to light that it's being abused due to ambiguity. So I guess we'll have to wait for the courts to decide some things in order to know if re writing the law is necessary or not.

IMO if they can get away with crap like this and still maintain their protections the intent of the law is being abused. And should be rewritten ASAP as times change laws always need updating. Common sense for those who still have some dictates it's not a "platform's" job to decide what's true or false.

The left's only hope for hanging on to their fascism in this arena lies in holding the house because the senate and white house are out of reach at this point.
 
"Fact checking" Trump's tweets with links to fake news media falls under which of those safe harbors? "Otherwise objectionable" is the only logical candidate and that's so subjective it could be cited with damn near any censorship the social medias feel like doing right?

If you own private property, yes, you can censor however you want. If someone comes to your house and calls your wife or daughter or mother a "f'ing c-word" you don't need a reason to kick them out of your kitchen and to the curb. If they say, "I hate Trump" you can kick them out of your house. You decide who is allowed in your kitchen, and you can kick them out for any reason or no reason.

Christian websites can 'censor' anti-Christian trolls or abortionists or Jews or FSM believers, because when they establish a community and allow comments, they decide how to moderate it and they don't need a bureaucrat's permission to delete a comment or ban someone. See, the rules for Debate Politics. They establish them and we agree to them by posting here. DP doesn't need permission to ban someone or to establish any rule, and if they break their own rules, well, that's too bad but it's actually FINE. If they infract me I can complain but I cannot sue them. In the name of free speech and private property rights, you'd change that, and if a volunteer moderator on DP makes a mistake, SUE THEM TO BANKRUPTCY!!!

In other words the social media has been given broad powers to censor AND broad protection from liability?

That's false or incomplete. EVERY site that allows comments has broad powers to censor and liability protection. CNN and ABC and FOX and Breitbart all allow comments and cannot be held liable for content their readers create. They CAN all (including Twitter and Facebook) be held liable for content THEY create. So the rules do not distinguish between Twitter and ABC or Debate Politics, where you're posting right now. If DP gets my SSN and CC, and posts that on here, they can be held liable. If YOU do that and post it here, DP is protected. Same with CNN and Twitter and Fox and Breitbart.

My mamma always told me good time, bad times, all times pass. Congress wrote that law and they can change it if it comes to light that it's being abused due to ambiguity. So I guess we'll have to wait for the courts to decide some things in order to know if re writing the law is necessary or not.

IMO if they can get away with crap like this and still maintain their protections the intent of the law is being abused. And should be rewritten ASAP as times change laws always need updating. Common sense for those who still have some dictates it's not a "platform's" job to decide what's true or false.

We don't need to wait on the courts. They've decided in multiple cases that the liability protection is broad, and it's because the law was intended to be broad.

The left's only hope for hanging on to their fascism in this arena lies in holding the house because the senate and white house are out of reach at this point.

What Twitter did was exercise THEIR right to free speech, and if it protects ANYTHING it must protect the ability of private entities to criticize our elected leaders, and that especially includes Dear Leader Trump, without fear of punishing by the government. Trump is advocating for a fascist system in which criticizing the President is punished by the President and the government officials under his command.

You're got it exactly 180 degrees wrong here. It's fascinating and stunning to see 'conservatives' abandon all their principles to defend that asshole Trump. If you or Trump don't like how Twitter is doing their job, don't use it! That's the "freedom" solution here. It's of course fine to criticize Twitter and their executives and their policies. Scream it from the rooftops! That's what free speech allows. What it cannot mean is Twitter did something we don't like by criticizing the President, so GOVERNMENT must punish them for that.
 
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