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Chaos In Minneapolis: Looting Occurring In the City, Tear Gas Being Used

trouble13 said:
At the risk of being redundant I will repost this response
In my book the intentional use of potentially lethsl force by a trained professional on a handcuffed person in their custody qualifies as murder 1

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Nah, cop isnt going to intend to murder someone in plain sight, while being recorded on cell phone. In a dark alley when he thinks no one is watching... maybe, but not in broad daylight with a crowd gathering.
 
Parrish said:
If that happened to you, no matter what is in your heart, people would want justice for you. No one deserves that. No one.
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Risky Thicket said:
Parrish is correct. No one deserves that. It shouldn't happen to anyone, including truthatallcost. I would speak up no matter who the victim might be. Wrong is wrong, always.
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Well said.

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vesper said:
I watched the videos and they were hard to watch. And if you take the videos there is no reason why Mr. Floyd should have ended up on the ground with the knee of an officer on his neck. He did not resist arrest, they handcuffed him and the next step should have been put him in the cruiser and take him to the police station and book him. But instead, somehow Mr. Floyd ended up on the ground with an officers knee on his neck. There is no footage of why that occurred. Why? There were people taking video of everything else. Nevertheless the officer that put his knee on Floyd's neck was fatal and very wrong. The 4 officers involved have been fired and still facing charges. A couple of days ago Trump requested the DOJ/FBI to investigate this case because he felt it was troubling. And as it stands tonight it is looking like the officer who placed his knee on Floyd's neck is facing at the very least manslaughter to 2nd degree murder.

But that wasn't enough for the protestors they want a lynching NOW. In fact they took their outrage to justify looting and pillaging of business owners that had no involvement in all of this not to mention the devastation they have already endured because of the COVID shutdown. They took it upon themselves to let off fireworks among them putting many at risk of being burned. That is the definition of insanity.

The officers have been fired facing charges at a record pace. Let the investigation state and federal conclude instead of reacting in anger and hurting a lot of people through looting and pillaging of business owners that had nothing to do with it.
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The Minneapolis police have a long history of treating everyone like ****. I lived there for 12 years and never had a positive experience with them - which I say as a white guy. When my exwife wanted me out of her way, she called the cops, who threw me to the floor and cuffed me for the crime of sitting on my couch in my living room.

So really, this death is more symptomatic of the problems in that department than it is an anomaly.
 
truthatallcost said:
StateScoop

Blacks can't display collective rage, in your view? That doesn't seem correct.
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How about instead of helping to protect the country from 'black rage' we figure out why blacks are raging? Just two weeks ago a Texas woman was shot in her home by a cop and his body cam showed that at no time did he identify himself as a police officer. Every year and sometime every few months, there's a senseless shooting of a black kid, or a black woman or a choking to death of a black man. Don't you think you would be enraged just a bit if this was happening specifically to your race?

So no, 'collective rage' isn't a disease in this country, it is the symptom of a disease and that disease is that blacks and Hispanics in this country don't have the same rights as whites do.
 
bomberfox said:
Murder 2 is a possibility but well see.
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Yeah, after some back & forth with trouble13 I agree it might technically be possible. But I don't see it likely proven in court. Involuntary seems much more provable.
 
Chomsky said:
Which is why drunk driving deaths result in charges of manslaughter, not murder. ;)
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Except in states where you have Judges that accept ‘affluenza’ as a defense.
 
dixon01767 said:
Nah, cop isnt going to intend to murder someone in plain sight, while being recorded on cell phone. In a dark alley when he thinks no one is watching... maybe, but not in broad daylight with a crowd gathering.
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And I wonder how many dozens, if not hundreds of times that's happened too, but those statistics will never see the light of day of course.
 
dixon01767 said:
Minneapolis cop who shot that lady center mass from 2 ft away was convicted of 3rd degree murder, without an intent to kill. Which is absurd.
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Good catch! Minnesota is one of only a handful of States with a murder-3 charge on the books that applies to cases of depraved indifference regardless of intent. That could be applied here so I may be eating my hat.
 
truthatallcost said:
90% of violent interracial crimes involve a black offender/white victim.
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What is the percentage of unarmed blacks being shot to death versus unarmed white guys being shot to death?
 
cpwill said:
No idea about that state or locality, but, other cop friends of mine have explicitly stated that they are trained that holding down a suspect like this is dangerous, and can harm or kill them. When I was in the Marine Corps, we were trained on how to hold down detainees, and "put weight on their neck" was never authorized unless you were in a fight and actively trying to harm or kill them.
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Looks like you just made a Murder 2 argument, whereas I was thinking Involuntary.
 
lurchadams said:
To make up for a specific physical shortcoming.
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Completely agree .. it's called a force multiplier so 1 person can protect themselves against multiple rioting assailants. Shortcomings are usually addressed by driving Corvettes ..
 
rocket88 said:
Arm the protestors! Great idea!


Oh wsit, you didn't mean black people did you?
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Are rights limited to the color of your skin? Are black people not able to exercise their right to own firearms and protect themselves?
 
Fun times im finding a lot of respect for some people i had on ignore.
 
trouble13 said:
At the risk of being redundant I will repost this response
In my book the intentional use of potentially lethsl force by a trained professional on a handcuffed person in their custody qualifies as murder 1

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Yeah it might be reduntant, but I was going to post back to you. You might have swayed me that Murder 2 could technically be possible, if the guy was aware that the type of maneuver he was doing would have lethal consequence.

But that's still a big "if", in that I can't say he did know he was killing the guy. I find that hard to believe. And I think it would be difficult to prove in court, unless they can point to some specific training he had received somewhere along the line.

But Murder 1 requires premeditation, and that seems even less likely and even more difficult to prove.
 
Nothing soothes the wounds of injustice like a nice 55" 8k television.
 
Linc said:
This has the makings of a Zimmerman, a Ferguson, a Central Park 5, more than 100 unarmed black people killed by police in 2015; so much more.

I’m thinking he snapped. Motive is impossible. Affluenza, Temporary Insanity, Involuntary, the Pandemic Era. The two riots this evening remind me of 1968.

The last thing our iteration of being a Human Being needed was COVID.
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Do you think he intended to kill him, Linc?
 
dixon01767 said:
Nah, cop isnt going to intend to murder someone in plain sight, while being recorded on cell phone. In a dark alley when he thinks no one is watching... maybe, but not in broad daylight with a crowd gathering.
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That's my take on it, too.
 
Napoleon said:
Good catch! Minnesota is one of only a handful of States with a murder-3 charge on the books that applies to cases of depraved indifference regardless of intent. That could be applied here so I may be eating my hat.
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Wow. I never heard of that either. It may apply.

It's also interesting that it's applicable to those that sell or give away drugs that result in fatal overdose. I don't think I agree with it's use there.
 
truthatallcost said:
What's the black population percentage for your town? 1%? 2%?
Can you name a majority black city that you'd want to live in?
Liberals sometimes let their imaginations get the better of them, especially when it comes to their white-savior complex. They seem to think that reality is less important than the fantasies they've conjured up.
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The area I live...the county is majority black. We are just fine here...very little crime. In fact, my town does not have even a single police officer, because we do not need one.
 
Chomsky said:
Do you think he intended to kill him, Linc?
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I don’t. He just seemed like he snapped as I mentioned. I’d rather not think CT. These are such perilous times.
 
Napoleon said:
What evidence do you have that the officer knew the outcome would be death?
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His knee was against the man's carotid artery for over ten minutes, including a full five minutes after the guy was unconscious and unresponsive. A carotid choke hold can kill in anywhere from 30 seconds to 3 minutes, depending on how "tight" it is.

That is the evidence that the officer knew the outcome would likely be death. And it was.
 
ClaraD said:
The area I live...the county is majority black. We are just fine here...very little crime. In fact, my town does not have even a single police officer, because we do not need one.
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As of the census of 2000,[3] the population of ZIP code 80449 was 677 with 284 households. The population density was 1.13 per square mile (1.81 per km2). The racial makeup of the ZIP code was 94.1% White, 0.9% Native American, 2.7% other races, and 2.4% from two or more races.
Hartsel, Colorado - Wikipedia

The racial makeup of the county was 95.07% White, 0.50% Black or African American, 0.92% Native American, 0.41% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 1.23% from other races, and 1.84% from two or more races. 4.32% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
Park County, Colorado - Wikipedia
 
Chomsky said:
His act of kneeling on the victim was intentional, but you'd have to prove by kneeling he intended to cause his death. I just don't see it going that way in court.

In addition, Murder 1 is premeditated. I don't see that charge succeeding in court, either.
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Negligent homicide. The officer knew or should have known that kneeling on the carotid artery for over ten minutes, including five minutes after the handcuffed victim lost consciousness was likely to cause his death.
 
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