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Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died

HumblePi said:
[h=1]Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died[/h]
A video taken by an onlooker Monday evening shows a Minneapolis police officer keeping his knee on the neck of a motionless, moaning man at the foot of a squad car. The man later died.
A police statement said officers were responding to a "forgery in progress."

"Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence," the statement said. "Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car.

"After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance," according to the statement.

Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man - CBS News
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This is all very reminiscent of the Eric Garner, "I can't breathe" case in New York in 2014, a case that took five years to reach a conclusion and get rid of the NY police officer that choked Eric Garner until he died. But that's it, he got fired.

This incident in Minneapolis only shows that our police forces haven't quite learned yet that you cannot hold anyone in a position that threatens their life. Police such as these are out of control and should be prosecuted.

I know there's a video out there that's 11 minutes long, I couldn't watch it but I did hear part of the audio when he was begging this officer, telling him he couldn't breathe. This makes me so ashamed of our country as a whole because this is where we've sunk and it's not good.
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What in God’s name is wrong with the Minneapolis police force?
 
Outlook said:
These officers run toward danger while you run away from it. Instead of blaming the officers, ruining his life like the media does, wait for the results of the investigation. Criticize after all the evidence has been presented.
Remember the Darren Wilson case. You got that one wrong.
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No I don't blame any of those dedicated men and women in uniform that put their lives on the line every single day for people like you and me. I blame rogue cops like these two and yes, I put the blame on the cop that stood idly by watching his buddy murder this innocent man. And yes again, this man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, that's his legal right. His crime of 'suspected forgery' could easily have been processed in court, he didn't have to die for that.

I have never run from danger in my entire life as I proved two weeks ago when I confronted two rednecks from Alabama. Nobody scares me or dare to threaten me or my husband, nobody. YES, I blame those two officers, there's no doubt that man would be alive today if he didn't have that cops foot on his neck. If he caused this man to die unnecessarily then yes, his life shouldn't only be ruined, he should spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
Gaius46 said:
You don’t need to have intended to kill the person to be charged with murder.

For example in NY even if you didn’t intend to kill the person you can be charged with 2nd degree murder if


“2. Under circumstances evincing a depraved indifference to human life,
he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to
another person, and thereby causes the death of another person; “

Don’t know about this case but the idea that you had to intend to murder to be charged with murder is false.
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Different states different laws.

Murder in California requires "malice aforethought".

We have various degrees of manslaughter for everything else.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died[/h]
A video taken by an onlooker Monday evening shows a Minneapolis police officer keeping his knee on the neck of a motionless, moaning man at the foot of a squad car. The man later died.
A police statement said officers were responding to a "forgery in progress."

"Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence," the statement said. "Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car.

"After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance," according to the statement.

Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man - CBS News
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This is all very reminiscent of the Eric Garner, "I can't breathe" case in New York in 2014, a case that took five years to reach a conclusion and get rid of the NY police officer that choked Eric Garner until he died. But that's it, he got fired.

This incident in Minneapolis only shows that our police forces haven't quite learned yet that you cannot hold anyone in a position that threatens their life. Police such as these are out of control and should be prosecuted.

I know there's a video out there that's 11 minutes long, I couldn't watch it but I did hear part of the audio when he was begging this officer, telling him he couldn't breathe. This makes me so ashamed of our country as a whole because this is where we've sunk and it's not good.
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Update: All four of the responding Minneapolis police officers have been terminated.

Officers involved in deadly arrest of black man in Minneapolis have been fired
 
Fledermaus said:
Yep...

Which means everyone playing the "cops ain't accountable" nonsense should retract their claims.
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I personally go with “innocent until proven guilty in an American Court of Law”

Via the full Legal process from the beginning to the end of The System of American Justice for all people.

Based on what I know currently it’s not looking good for the them in a Court of Law.

However, I consider my opinion at this moment in time to be potentially flawed and subject to change based on facts.

Roseann:)
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died[/h]
A video taken by an onlooker Monday evening shows a Minneapolis police officer keeping his knee on the neck of a motionless, moaning man at the foot of a squad car. The man later died.
A police statement said officers were responding to a "forgery in progress."

"Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence," the statement said. "Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car.

"After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance," according to the statement.

Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man - CBS News
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This is all very reminiscent of the Eric Garner, "I can't breathe" case in New York in 2014, a case that took five years to reach a conclusion and get rid of the NY police officer that choked Eric Garner until he died. But that's it, he got fired.

This incident in Minneapolis only shows that our police forces haven't quite learned yet that you cannot hold anyone in a position that threatens their life. Police such as these are out of control and should be prosecuted.

I know there's a video out there that's 11 minutes long, I couldn't watch it but I did hear part of the audio when he was begging this officer, telling him he couldn't breathe. This makes me so ashamed of our country as a whole because this is where we've sunk and it's not good.
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And Trump called people who peacefully protested against this sort of thing happening "Son's of Bitches," instead of trying to do something about it like a real leader.
 
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HumblePi said:
This is stunning news that all four were fired. The police union will surely follow up with a wrongful firing lawsuit.

Imagine if there were no people around with cell phones to film this murder. Nobody would have ever heard a single word about it.
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Yep. We never heard word one about police doing this before everyone had a camera handy. Imagine how bad it was when the police didn't have to worry about being caught on camera. It's scary.

EDIT: Never mind, we got a tiny glimpse of how bad it could get. Rodney King - Wikipedia
 
Peter King said:
This is a severe breach of duty of care, an unarmed person does not need to be restrained in such a manner. The man was no threat to anybody, the only dangerous person in this situation was the officer and the officers standing there doing NOTHING. It is a good thing people were fired as no way this should be acceptable.
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I would have one question for the cop that just stood there as that man begged to be allowed to breathe. You had him completely subdued. Why couldn't you have just cuffed him while he was pinned down prone to the ground and then just sit him up against the car? Why didn't they do that?
 
HumblePi said:
This is stunning news that all four were fired. The police union will surely follow up with a wrongful firing lawsuit.

Imagine if there were no people around with cell phones to film this murder. Nobody would have ever heard a single word about it.
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I don't think the Union will have any leg to stand on here. The negligence and callous disregard for life is pretty much in full display here. and I'm sure that as I said to another poster here that this almost certainly not an an isolated incident for this department. It's just one that happened to get recorded.
 
Fledermaus said:
Different states different laws.

Murder in California requires "malice aforethought".

We have various degrees of manslaughter for everything else.
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Murder 2 and 3 in Minnesota do not require intention. Murder 2 doesn’t look to apply in this case but Murder 3 may.
 
Mr Person said:
How is that statement applicable to this situation?

And if this situation does not involve "a mistake under horrendous circumstance", then what's the point of bringing it up? What effect could it have but to change the subject.

There was no "mistake" here. They got the guy under control. The cop didn't accidentally kneel on his neck. The cop didn't accidentally ignore his statements about being unable to breath, being in pain; didn't accidentally ignore the fact that the guy was lying still and complying.

When Ikari calls it murder, he does so accurately. It could easily fit MA's second degree murder statute for third prong malice depending on how the jury found the facts.

2. The defendant:
c. intended to do an act which, in the circumstances known to the defendant, a reasonable person would have known created a plain and strong likelihood that death would result.

Repeatedly accusing Ikari of "cop hate" is exactly the kind of lazy posting you regularly jab at others for. Calling this murder isn't cop hate. It's a pretty natural result of watching a video of a cop ignoring a compliant and pleading suspect while kneeling on his neck until that suspect died.
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ecofarm said:
Mr Person said:
How is that statement applicable to this situation?
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My objection herein is against the notion that police should be tried for murder in the commission of a mistake in the line of duty, as put forth by Ikari.

I noted that I do not believe this case is a mistake.
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Second sentence: I know. Which made things confusing.

First sentence: and my point is that depending on the state, a jury could very well legitimately conclude 2nd degree murder was committed. People tend to think of premeditated murder when thinking of if something seems like murder. And even then, our instructions say the intent to kill can be formed in seconds.

I'm not saying this is first. I'm saying that in MA and....I want to say around 36ish other states.... what the cop did could certainly go to a jury as second degree murder. To bloviate, they'd probably end up with a chance to go with manslaughter. Depends on what each side argues and the judge decides.




In a professional sense, you're wrong that it could not be murder. In a colloquial sense, come on man, you know what he's talking about. He's talking about someone entrusted with a literal power of life and death over citizens - the gun, etc - kneeling on a guy's neck long after he's become compliant as the guy begs, cries about pain and how he cannot breath.

I guarantee you that if you tackle some guy and kneel on his neck until he dies, despite his begging, you are going to jail for murder. The uniform is the only difference, and that should not be relevant unless the person was carrying out some legitimate police function. I see no legitimate function. I see no reason to say that merely because an officer was on duty answering a call, murder is off the table.




Being in uniform should no more protect a cop from a charge than being a lawyer should protect me from perjury. If anything it should be an enhancement. With power, responsibility.
 
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What's so disturbing to me wasn't just the victim pleas to the cop to stop because he couldn't breathe but I guess some bystanders were also pleading to the cop to let him up, and the cops ignored all of them.

Our society is in trouble, and no I'm not just talking about police brutality. I'm talking top to bottom, I talking about the stain at the top in the WH on down.

We've become a very selfish, uncaring, callous, cruel, only the strong should survive type of people. Sound familiar?
 
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