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Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died

ecofarm said:
Good cops do need protecting. You are, right now herein, attacking their protections. Making a mistake in a high stress work environment is not the same thing as malice and the law must recognize this.
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I'm attacking the protections they place on bad cops. Plain and simple. High stress work environment doesn't excuse murder, it does not excuse being a bad cop.
 
Ikari said:
I'm attacking the protections they place on bad cops. Plain and simple. High stress work environment doesn't excuse murder, it does not excuse being a bad cop.
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You attacked sovereign immunity.

You want to see a good cop that made a mistake in a horrible circumstance be prosecuted for malice. That's hate.
 
ecofarm said:
You attacked sovereign immunity.

You want to see a good cop that made a mistake in a horrible circumstance be prosecuted for malice. That's hate.
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It can be whatever you want to call it. But murder is murder and a badge shouldn't protect you.
 
Ikari said:
It can be whatever you want to call it. But murder is murder and a badge shouldn't protect you.
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I'm sure you can grasp this:

Making a mistake under horrendous circumstance and in the line of duty is not the same thing as committing a crime out of greed or malice.

Wanting to prosecute them the same is hateful of cops and stupid because it would render having a police force impossible. No one is willing to be prosecuted for murder for a mistake on the job. If you got your way, there would be no cops.
 
ecofarm said:
Good cops do need protecting. You are, right now herein, attacking their protections. Making a mistake in a high stress work environment is not the same thing as malice and the law must recognize this.
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"high stress work environment", really? There were two cops, and what was this man suspected of doing? FORGERY! If you consider that to create a high work stress environment, then this cop needs mental health.

You're attempting to justify an action that resulted in the unnecessary death of an American citizen, and justifying this in any way is just disgusting. Can you 'grasp' that?
 
ecofarm said:
I'm sure you can grasp this:

Making a mistake under horrendous circumstance and in the line of duty is not the same thing as committing a crime out of greed or malice.

Wanting to prosecute them the same is hateful of cops and stupid because it would render having a police force impossible.
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If you murder someone, you should be held accountable for that. Be you citizen or cop or politician or aristocrat. That's it. That's the end. Bad cops should be prosecuted, a badge is not a letter of marque.
 
Ikari said:
It can be whatever you want to call it. But murder is murder and a badge shouldn't protect you.
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Nobody believes it should be legal for cops to murder people. :roll:
 
Ikari said:
If you murder someone, you should be held accountable for that. Be you citizen or cop or politician or aristocrat. That's it. That's the end. Bad cops should be prosecuted, a badge is not a letter of marque.
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Making a mistake on the job under stress is not the same as murdering someone.
 
ecofarm said:
Making a mistake on the job under stress is not the same as murdering someone.
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It is if you murder someone in the process of that "mistake".
 
Ikari said:
It is if you murder someone in the process of that "mistake".
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No, it's not. I hope someday you can see your blind spot here and are embarrassed by it. A mistake in the line of duty is not the same as murder. For some reason, you can't deal with that.


Note: I'm not claiming this case was a mistake, I'm defending the law as it exists against cop hate.
 
Ikari said:
We don't hold our police responsible for things like this.
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It is a little early to say that...

It can take a few days for this to shake out. Witness statements, toxicology reports, autopsy, etc.

Especially if the FBI is involved as they tend to be very thorough.
 
ecofarm said:
No, it's not. I hope someday you can see your blind spot here and are embarrassed by it. A mistake in the line of duty is not the same as murder. For some reason, you can't deal with that.


Note: I'm not claiming this case was a mistake, I'm defending the law as it exists against cop hate.
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I "can't deal" with allowing cops carte blanche to do whatever they want without repercussion for bad and damaging actions. A badge doesn't remove the rights and liberties of the citizens nor does it mean that one with a badge can do as they see fit and get away with it.
 
Fledermaus said:
Murder has a very real meaning in the law.
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Depending on who you are, it would seem.

But the actions of government against the People are meant to be restricted and they cannot act as they wish whenever they wish it without repercussion for bad actions and behavior. It's the rights and liberties of the People which must be upheld, not the protection of bad cops.
 
If no one minds, I'd like to say (just in case X Factor reads this thread) that I still think cartoon piggy socks are funny.
 
Ikari said:
It can be whatever you want to call it. But murder is murder and a badge shouldn't protect you.
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ecofarm said:
I'm sure you can grasp this:

Making a mistake under horrendous circumstance and in the line of duty is not the same thing as committing a crime out of greed or malice.

Wanting to prosecute them the same is hateful of cops and stupid because it would render having a police force impossible. No one is willing to be prosecuted for murder for a mistake on the job. If you got your way, there would be no cops.
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How is that statement applicable to this situation?

And if this situation does not involve "a mistake under horrendous circumstance", then what's the point of bringing it up? What effect could it have but to change the subject.




There was no "mistake" here. They got the guy under control. The cop didn't accidentally kneel on his neck. The cop didn't accidentally ignore his statements about being unable to breath, being in pain; didn't accidentally ignore the fact that the guy was lying still and complying.

When Ikari calls it murder, he does so accurately. It could easily fit MA's second degree murder statute for third prong malice depending on how the jury found the facts.

2. The defendant:
c. intended to do an act which, in the circumstances known to the defendant, a reasonable person would have known created a plain and strong likelihood that death would result.





Repeatedly accusing Ikari of "cop hate" is exactly the kind of lazy posting you regularly jab at others for. Calling this murder isn't cop hate. It's a pretty natural result of watching a video of a cop ignoring a compliant and pleading suspect while kneeling on his neck until that suspect died.
 
Ikari said:
Ahh good, it's nice that "they'll hold each other responsible for this", no need for courts or jails then.
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Apparently not. You've already decided this cop is a murderer.
 
Mr Person said:
How is that statement applicable to this situation?
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My objection herein is against the notion that police should be tried for murder in the commission of a mistake in the line of duty, as put forth by Ikari.

I noted that I do not believe this case is a mistake.
 
Ikari said:
Depending on who you are, it would seem.

But the actions of government against the People are meant to be restricted and they cannot act as they wish whenever they wish it without repercussion for bad actions and behavior. It's the rights and liberties of the People which must be upheld, not the protection of bad cops.
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No. The law doesn't change based on who you are.

The application of the law may be tainted. But the law simply is.
 
Taylor said:
Apparently not. You've already decided this cop is a murderer.
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I have no power to hold this individual accountable. What I would call for in a proper investigation, and if proof is found, that he be arrested and given his day in court. Not just dismiss this as some "mistake" by one with a high-stress job. I don't believe a badge is a license to kill, as it were.
 
Fledermaus said:
No. The law doesn't change based on who you are.

The application of the law may be tainted. But the law simply is.
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I mean, at its base the law is the law. Justice isn't quite blind, however, and there in lies the problem.
 
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