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Negative pricing seen spreading from oil to gas as European demand slumps

Litwin said:
BREAKING : "Gas supplies via the Yamal-Europe pipeline, which carries gas from Russia via Belarus and Poland to Germany, fell to almost zero on Monday. This is according to European gas operators, writes tass.ru .

According to Gascade, gas supplies at the Malnow point on the Polish-German border over the weekend began to decline gradually and by Monday morning reached 461,468 kWh, which is 105 times less than the volume of the nomination. At the same time since the beginning of the month the volume of deliveries varied from about 17-32 million kWh.

The long-term Russian-Polish agreement on gas transit from Russia to the west on the Polish section of the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline expired on May 17. Now deliveries are made on the basis of auctions conducted by the operator of the Polish gas transmission network - the company Gaz System. On Friday, 28.5 million kWh of more than 38 million kWh was purchased at a day-to-day auction. On Saturday it is twice less - 12.5 million.

On May 23, only 4 million kW / h was sold at auction for pumping gas on Sunday. On May 24, no capacity was reserved at all. Only on Monday night at the auction was reserved 4 million kWh for the next so-called gas day, which begins at 06:00 am and ends exactly 24 hours later - at 06:00 am the next day.
https://www.debatepolitics.com/euro...yamal-europe-dropped-zero.html#post1071941748
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Anything that hamstrings Russia's NG and oil production to fund it's goal of destroying American democracy is fine by me.
 
bluesmoke said:
The cost reduction would be to businesses that are petroleum dependent, such as transportation and industrial, not much across the board. The consumer would get the greatest cost benefit from gas pump prices, less so from such as airlines and less again from consumer-end product/service of the industrial savings in petroleum cost reduction. The more hands the “savings” pass through, the less savings due to “friction” cost that end up in the hands of the consumer. Cost is more directly passed-on to the consumer than is savings, though in certain cases and at certain times there are exceptions, though temporary they may be.
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The more economic competition exists at all levels of supply chains, then the more that savings are propagated down through them.

If you're the only supplier of something, then the fact that you're saving money on oil purchases is less likely to be passed on to your customers, as compared to if you have competitors who will pass on those savings in pursuit of market share.
 
Fledermaus said:
The claim "Muscovites are the Mongols (barbarian cavemen )" ....
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you dont agree that Muscovite barbarian hordes bring only detraction, rape, looting ?

After the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, it likewise engaged in the looting and destruction of Poland's cultural heritage.[9][18] It is estimated that soon after the invasion, about half of Polish museums and similar public institutions were dismantled in the territories occupied by the Soviets. Many items were shipped out to Soviet museums such as the Moscow Museum of History and the Central Anti-Religious Museum (also in Moscow).[9] Other collections were simply destroyed. For instance, during the liquidation of the Poland's Lwów Historical Museum early in 1940, its holdings were taken to the basement of the Black (Czarna) Kamienica (pictured), away from public scrutiny, and systematically destroyed there.[17]

Following the Soviet advance across German-occupied Polish territory, the looting and plunder of anything of value continued until 1947, even though the these territories were in theory already assigned to its allied communist Poland.[9][9][19][20] Soviet forces engaged in particularly extensive plunder in the former eastern territories of Germany that were later to be transferred to Poland, stripping them of any piece of equipment left behind by the fleeing/deported population.[9][10][21][22] Even the Polish Communists felt uneasy about the scope of their crimes. In 1945, the future Chairman of the Polish Council of State, Gen. Aleksander Zawadzki, worried that "raping and looting by the Soviet army would provoke a civil war"[23] World War II looting of Poland - Wikipedia


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Russian war crimes - Wikipedia


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bluesmoke said:
Anything that hamstrings Russia's NG and oil production to fund it's goal of destroying American democracy is fine by me.
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"Turkey turns away from "russian" gas UAWire - Turkey turns away from Russian gas , the drop was more than 14 times: then in the first quarter Turkey purchased 8.8 billion cubic meters (2.93 billion on average per month)."
 
Litwin said:
you dont agree that Muscovite barbarian hordes bring only detraction, rape, looting ?

After the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, it likewise engaged in the looting and destruction of Poland's cultural heritage.[9][18] It is estimated that soon after the invasion, about half of Polish museums and similar public institutions were dismantled in the territories occupied by the Soviets. Many items were shipped out to Soviet museums such as the Moscow Museum of History and the Central Anti-Religious Museum (also in Moscow).[9] Other collections were simply destroyed. For instance, during the liquidation of the Poland's Lwów Historical Museum early in 1940, its holdings were taken to the basement of the Black (Czarna) Kamienica (pictured), away from public scrutiny, and systematically destroyed there.[17]

Following the Soviet advance across German-occupied Polish territory, the looting and plunder of anything of value continued until 1947, even though the these territories were in theory already assigned to its allied communist Poland.[9][9][19][20] Soviet forces engaged in particularly extensive plunder in the former eastern territories of Germany that were later to be transferred to Poland, stripping them of any piece of equipment left behind by the fleeing/deported population.[9][10][21][22] Even the Polish Communists felt uneasy about the scope of their crimes. In 1945, the future Chairman of the Polish Council of State, Gen. Aleksander Zawadzki, worried that "raping and looting by the Soviet army would provoke a civil war"[23] World War II looting of Poland - Wikipedia


Soviet war crimes - Wikipedia

Russian war crimes - Wikipedia
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There are no "Muscovite barbarian hordes".

Your question is rejected for being historically ignorant.
 
Litwin said:
its a myth , without cannibalistic slave Marxist ideology "russia"´d be look like this today. as we all know "russia" is not Marxist anymore


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"Chechnya could be the first to break off. This would have a dramatic effect on the rest of the north Caucasus region. Neighbouring Dagestan, a far bigger and more complex republic than Chechnya, could fragment. A conflict in the Caucasus combined with the weakness of the central government in Russia could make other regions want to detach themselves from Moscow’s problems.

Tatarstan, home to 2m Muslim ethnic Tatars and 1.5m ethnic Russians, could declare itself the separate khanate it was in the 15th century. It has a strong identity, a diverse economy, which includes its own oil firm, and a well-educated ruling class. It would form a special relationship with Crimea, which Crimean Tartars (at last able to claim their historic land) would declare an independent state.

The Ural region could form a republic—as it tried to do in 1993—around Yekaterinburg, Russia’s fourth-largest city, or else it could form a union with Siberia. Siberia itself could revive its own identity, from a base in the cities of Krasnoyarsk and Irkutsk, and lay claim to its oil-and-gas riches, which it would sell to China. Unlike Russia, China might not have much interest in territorial expansion into the sparsely populated Far East and Siberia, but it could (and already does) colonise these regions economically. Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, two of the largest cities in the Far East, are more economically integrated with China and South Korea than they are with the European part of Russia. "
The peril beyond Putin
‘The West won't allow the Russian Federation to disintegrate,’ Kashapov saysEuromaidan Press | News and views from Ukraine
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I don’t know what you’re trying to say.

Russia was never Marxist. Marxism didn’t apply to Russia. It applied to industrialized, capitalist countries. Russia was neither. Doesn’t matter anyway. Like I said, Russia was once communist, no longer is, but is still Russia.

Surrounding Republics that are under the Russian Federation could breakaway and Russia would still be Russia. I seriously doubt that China would ever take over eastern Siberia. Come on.

China has “economically colonized” the far-east of Siberia? Really? China controls that area of Russia economically? So, I guess China controls the state of Washington since, historically, 1/3rd of WA imports and exports are with China. China isn’t even interested in doing business with far-east Russia. Vladivostok is mostly bordered by China and the Sea of Japan (some by North Korea), most of its trade is in it’s fisheries, so you do business with who’s closest. However, Putin is shifting it’s far-east business to India, not China.

I just don’t know what your point is.
 
sanman said:
The more economic competition exists at all levels of supply chains, then the more that savings are propagated down through them.

If you're the only supplier of something, then the fact that you're saving money on oil purchases is less likely to be passed on to your customers, as compared to if you have competitors who will pass on those savings in pursuit of market share.
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What you say may be true, but it is not the reality.

I don’t know the historic by yr number of oil suppliers in the US as would be an indicator of competitiveness, but in terms of total economic competition at all levels, all companies, from 1996 to 2017 the number of companies per million pop has dropped from 30.03 per 1M to 13.34, that’s 55.6% in that 21 yr period:

Number of Listed Companies for United States (DDOM01USA644NWDB) | FRED | St. Louis Fed

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, over about the same period of time, from 1996 to 2018, income has not kept up with cost increases by about 5%:

How Does Current Cost of Living Compare to 20 Years Ago?

The point to do with for-profit industry capitalism as especially respects privatization is that such creates competition, which is obviously not true to the extreme it has gone considering the fact that competition has by all accounts deteriorated.

So much for economic competition and “more…savings…propagated down”.
 
bluesmoke said:
I don’t know what you’re trying to say.

Russia was never Marxist. Marxism didn’t apply to Russia. It applied to industrialized, capitalist countries. Russia was neither. Doesn’t matter anyway. Like I said, Russia was once communist, no longer is, but is still Russia.

Surrounding Republics that are under the Russian Federation could breakaway and Russia would still be Russia. I seriously doubt that China would ever take over eastern Siberia. Come on.

China has “economically colonized” the far-east of Siberia? Really? China controls that area of Russia economically? So, I guess China controls the state of Washington since, historically, 1/3rd of WA imports and exports are with China. China isn’t even interested in doing business with far-east Russia. Vladivostok is mostly bordered by China and the Sea of Japan (some by North Korea), most of its trade is in it’s fisheries, so you do business with who’s closest. However, Putin is shifting it’s far-east business to India, not China.

I just don’t know what your point is.
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Marxist- Leninist , the official ideology of cccp

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Litwin said:
what do you think about Putin´s Napoleon plans (Nord Stream 2)? with such prices

US still determined to block Putin’s pet pipeline project - Atlantic Council
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Russia is obviously suffering and has been for a while... and for Western Europe to be dependent on the Russians for a significant amount of their fuel supplies... is insane.

Trump has turned the screws on them. Hopefully one day... the communist menace will be eradicated form both Russia and China, and they’ll become civil members of society.

Yeah, yeah, yeah Leftists... I hear your yowling... Russia isn’t communist. OK... officially not, but it’s run by a thug who is a Communist, and pines for the good old days.

I wonder why NOBODY brings up the name of Gerhard Schroeder. Former asshole Bundeskanzler of Germany... and longtime **** holster for Putin. He was a Commi loving Anti-American sonofabitch for a long time... along with his Commi loving buddy Oskar LaFontaine.
 
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zimmer said:
The more they lose... the better.

Now to crush China too... and bring down their vile regime.
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once we done with Muscovy, we can introduce embargo on china's cheap products (on pretext of using slave labor, lack of human rights etc )
 
Litwin said:
Marxist- Leninist , the official ideology of cccp

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Uh-huh. You don’t really say anything, do you? You just info-spam and don’t take any real debate position and instead give non-sequitur, incongruent response like “Marxist- Leninist , the official ideology of cccp”. Well, that’s not the same as “Marxism”. I already explained to you that Marxism does not apply to Russia. For it to apply to a non-industrial, primarily farm-based economy like Russia, it was combined with Leninism. Marxism only applies to capitalist/industrialist countries. I already told you that. Hence you have the same Marxist-Leninist applications in what were primarily farm-based economies such as China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam. However, you don’t debate. You really don’t say much of anything.
 
bluesmoke said:
Uh-huh. You don’t really say anything, do you? You just info-spam and don’t take any real debate position and instead give non-sequitur, incongruent response like “Marxist- Leninist , the official ideology of cccp”. Well, that’s not the same as “Marxism”.
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i am not an expert in dog crap , sorry
 
Litwin said:
i am not an expert in dog crap , sorry
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You don't have to be an expert to know the diff btx Marxism, Marxist-Leninism and dog crap. In debate, it's up to the primary claim-maker, YOU, to prove your claim, that Russia as the cccp was a Marxist system/ideology. You haven't even tried to do so in your own words. All you've done is thrown crap against the wall, aka "info spam". I don't even know what your own position is on the claim you make because you haven't said so. Your claim, for lack of supporting evidence, is unfounded and need not be debated any further by your debate opponent, me. I can understand why you wouldn't debate any further because you can't even verbalize your own position in the matter let alone provide proof to support your claim or your position/POV. See you on another thread.
 
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