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Florida Law Restricting Felon Voting Is Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

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Florida Law Restricting Felon Voting Is Unconstitutional, Judge Rules - The New York Times

MIAMI — A Florida law requiring people with serious criminal convictions to pay court fines and fees before they can register to vote is unconstitutional, a federal judge ruled on Sunday, declaring that such a requirement would amount to a poll tax and discriminate against felons who cannot afford to pay.

Florida did not explicitly impose a poll tax, Judge Robert L. Hinkle of the United States District Court in Tallahassee wrote, but by conditioning felons’ voting rights to fees that fund the routine operations of the criminal justice system, it effectively created “a tax by any other name.”

“The Twenty-Fourth Amendment precludes Florida from conditioning voting in federal elections on payment of these fees and costs,” Judge Hinkle wrote, calling the restriction an unconstitutional “pay-to-vote system.”

Is it a tax??
If one cannot afford to pay, is that not a tax?
Appealed all the way to SCOTUS

2018 Florida Amendment 4 - Wikipedia

Background

In 2016, 6.1 million adults in the United States could not vote due to felony disenfranchisement laws.[6] Prior to 2018, Florida was one of four U.S. states that enacted permanent felony disenfranchisement, affecting 1.7 million felons.[7] Felons must wait five to seven years after the completion of their sentence before they can apply to have their voting rights restored by the State Board of Executive Clemency, which is composed of the Governor of Florida and the Florida Cabinet, and meets four times per year at the Florida State Capitol in Tallahassee, Florida.[8] Florida's disenfranchised felons constituted 10% of the adult population, and 21.5% of the adult African American population.[9]

As Governor of Florida, Charlie Crist reformed the process for the reinstatement of voting rights in 2007, allowing non-violent offenders to have their voting rights automatically restored.[10] Over 155,000 applications for voting right restoration were approved during Crist's four-year term.[8] Shortly after succeeding Crist as governor, Rick Scott, with the advice of Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, ended the automatic restoration for felons convicted of non-violent crimes in the state and instituted a mandatory five-year wait period before felons could apply to the State Board of Executive Clemency for restoration of voting rights.[10][11][12] During the first seven years of Rick Scott's tenure, 3,000 applications were approved.[8]
 
Felons should lose their right to vote... so ultimately, I don't care about this issue.
 
Felons that have served their time should be allowed to vote. If they do not pay their fines then that should be a parole or probation violation. Now if they have violated their parole or probation then they have forfeited their rights no matter what the reason.
 
Felons should lose their right to vote... so ultimately, I don't care about this issue.

The problem with that is the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor is the color of your skin, who you know, how much money you have, a good lawyer, etc.
 
The problem with that is the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor is the color of your skin, who you know, how much money you have, a good lawyer, etc.

Then fix the laws and/or the system. Besides, some felons losing their right to vote is better than none... and there should also be some kind of basic testing that people would need to pass in order to vote. Base it on basic high school stuff, at the very least.
 
If this stands, FL goes blue in the fall

Get to work with the unfacts, Trumpers
 
Felons should lose their right to vote... so ultimately, I don't care about this issue.

Maybe they should but if a judge says It's unconstitutional, you're stuck with it.
This is one reason I was opposed to a constitution in Canada. My rights used to be protected by English Common Law, which has evolved over centuries and is adaptable to changes in society.
I consider a constitution to be a monument to the hubris of it's authors.
 
and there should also be some kind of basic testing that people would need to pass in order to vote. Base it on basic high school stuff, at the very least.

Oh, but then all the Trump voters would lose their right to vote.
 
Then fix the laws and/or the system. Besides, some felons losing their right to vote is better than none... and there should also be some kind of basic testing that people would need to pass in order to vote. Base it on basic high school stuff, at the very least.

That won't work. Half the population already doesn't vote. In the local elections we are lucky to get 20% turn out. If you want to test the ones actually voting their won't be enough people voting to have an election.
 
Felons should lose their right to vote... so ultimately, I don't care about this issue.

If someone is too dangerous to vote then they shouldn’t have been released from jail. When you complete your sentence and probation you should have ALL rights restored to you.
 
That won't work. Half the population already doesn't vote. In the local elections we are lucky to get 20% turn out. If you want to test the ones actually voting their won't be enough people voting to have an election.

Good. Too many voters are beyond stupid and should not be voting anyway... and I said basic. If people can not pay enough attention in school to learn a few things and pass a basic test then they should not be voting.
 
If someone is too dangerous to vote then they shouldn’t have been released from jail. When you complete your sentence and probation you should have ALL rights restored to you.

It has nothing to do with danger... but since you brought it up I am for dangerous felons to be executed or at least never released from jail. That said, no... they should not have the right to own a gun or to vote... maybe, just maybe if they went back to school, passed a test, were in therapy... held a stable job, etc. Then they could vote... but not just automatically.
 
Then fix the laws and/or the system. Besides, some felons losing their right to vote is better than none... and there should also be some kind of basic testing that people would need to pass in order to vote. Base it on basic high school stuff, at the very least.

Unconstitutional.
 
It has nothing to do with danger... but since you brought it up I am for dangerous felons to be executed or at least never released from jail. That said, no... they should not have the right to own a gun or to vote... maybe, just maybe if they went back to school, passed a test, were in therapy... held a stable job, etc. Then they could vote... but not just automatically.

Executed? Do you know how many "dangerous felons" have been released from jail based on DNA evidence?

Can't put the genie back in the bottle, Bodhi.
 
Executed? Do you know how many "dangerous felons" have been released from jail based on DNA evidence?

Can't put the genie back in the bottle, Bodhi.

I also said never released from jail...

Unconstitutional.

I don't care... Separate but Equal was Constitutional for 60 years. Didn't make it right.

Why? They've served their time. They paid their debt to society. They should have full rights and privileges restored.

I do not agree that serving a certain jail time is paying their debt. All it means is that they were shipped off to a box to live it for a certain amount of time. They should have to do community service, get an education, hold a steady job, etc.

They owe it to me...
 
Then fix the laws and/or the system. Besides, some felons losing their right to vote is better than none... and there should also be some kind of basic testing that people would need to pass in order to vote. Base it on basic high school stuff, at the very least.

What is your problem with someone rehabilitated returning to the voter roll?
 
Oh, but then all the Trump voters would lose their right to vote.

that's really stupid. pretending that Biden supporters are better informed or more intelligent than Trump voters is the sign of dishonesty or a lack of understanding.
 
What is your problem with someone rehabilitated returning to the voter roll?

Being let out of jail does not mean that they are rehabilitated... Enough of that nonsense please.
 
I also said never released from jail...



I don't care... Separate but Equal was Constitutional for 60 years. Didn't make it right.



I do not agree that serving a certain jail time is paying their debt. All it means is that they were shipped off to a box to live it for a certain amount of time. They should have to do community service, get an education, hold a steady job, etc.

They owe it to me...

So pass laws that require stricter sentences. Until then, the constitution is telling you to piss off.
 
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