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Ukrainian lawmaker releases leaked phone calls of Biden and Poroshenko

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...be060a4f8e1_story.html?tid=pm_pop&itid=pm_pop

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. But Derkach used the new clips to make an array of accusations not proven by the tapes.

Bidengate has begun? What do you think?
 
The cult is desperate.

"Breaking News: Big Stuff! Coming up soon!"

Sure.
 
Biden deflector shields ON!
 

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. . . . Trump’s allies, including Giuliani, have argued that Ukraine intervened in that election on Clinton’s behalf, in part by targeting Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. The country’s anti-corruption bureau released entries from a black ledger that allegedly showed $12 million in cash payments from its Russia-leaning political party to Manafort during the years in which he worked as a political consultant in Ukraine. Manafort said the document was falsified, but the revelations prompted him to resign from the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016.
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The tapes released in Kyiv offered no evidence to back Giuliani’s long-standing accusation that Biden pushed for the prosecutor general’s ouster to help his son. At the time, Hunter Biden was earning between $50,000 and $100,000 a month on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, whose owner, a former government minister, was under investigation in Ukraine. Still, the tapes gave Trump’s allies a chance to recycle that allegation closer to the 2020 election. . . .The clips released in Kyiv consisted of conversations that Biden had as vice president with Poroshenko, primarily about domestic Ukrainian political issues. At the time, Biden was the face of U.S. policy toward Ukraine, demanding as a matter of policy that the government make reforms to end corruption if it wanted to continue to receive billions of dollars in Western aid and loan guarantees.. . . At no point in the clips released Tuesday does Biden mention Burisma or his son.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

Sounds exactly like the kind of CT smear swill PoS would swallow and regurgitate in order to try to annoy liberals ("own the libturds" in Trumpist speak): a toady making an "array of accusations" based on nothing damning or even suspicious isn't news. But then, dishonesty is part of the ugliness, which is the point for Trumpists. Every single one of their hoaxes relies on Trumpists to treat accusations by other Trumpists as proof of guilt. They count on Trumpists to assume nefariousness where none exists.

Isn't it strange how nobody who is supposedly guilty is sin ever gets indicted by Trump's DOJ if his targets are so obviously guilty?

Isn't it strange that the administration whose people got indicted to the moon and back, swallowed by convictions, are the ones who *just know* it's actually everyone else who is guilty?

That said, I can see why Trumpists - including people who deny being Trumpists despite always defending Trump and always attacking the left with trollish BS, like PoS - would think demanding an end to corruption before loans are granted is an evil thing to do. If Trump hadn't been able to get money from the Russians due to a Russian concern about corruption, their boy would have been flat broke long ago.



At any rate, if by "Bidengate", PoS means self-referential Trumpist lies backed up by nothing in reality, then sure...it's begun. It began the moment Trump got caught trying to extort fabrication of dirt on Biden from Ukraine. It's what he always does: gets caught, immediately accuses a target on a different "side" of doing what he just got caught doing.

He knows the ugliness is the point for his supporters. He knows they'll say whatever he tells them to.

And that's why it doesn't matter that there is absolutely nothing here.
 
I though political favors from Ukraine for funding was no big deal. What do Trumpeteers all of a sudden care?
 
I though political favors from Ukraine for funding was no big deal. What do Trumpeteers all of a sudden care?

They didnt, until the dems decided to impeach Trump based on the same thing.
 
They didnt, until the dems decided to impeach Trump based on the same thing.

So this explains the 4 year delay in investigating this. It was fine until it wasn't?

How did Biden abuse power or obstruct justice?
 
They didnt, until the dems decided to impeach Trump based on the same thing.

So one of those "it was cool for Trump to do, but we'll go after Biden for it" sort of things? Seems about right. It also seems that your source didn't say what you were trying to make it say. As has been pointed out in this thread.
 
After a while, it just gets too much like the boy who cried wolf. Except its the wold that cried wolf. I suspect most people are sick of it.
 
From the article

“Just the tip of iceberg,” he (Giuliani) wrote in a text.

You guys don't even hide the Trump campaign's collusion with foreign government's anymore.

Oh well, if someone knows about extorting Ukraine, it's Giuliani.

lol
 
The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. . . . Trump’s allies, including Giuliani, have argued that Ukraine intervened in that election on Clinton’s behalf, in part by targeting Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. The country’s anti-corruption bureau released entries from a black ledger that allegedly showed $12 million in cash payments from its Russia-leaning political party to Manafort during the years in which he worked as a political consultant in Ukraine. Manafort said the document was falsified, but the revelations prompted him to resign from the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016.
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The tapes released in Kyiv offered no evidence to back Giuliani’s long-standing accusation that Biden pushed for the prosecutor general’s ouster to help his son. At the time, Hunter Biden was earning between $50,000 and $100,000 a month on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, whose owner, a former government minister, was under investigation in Ukraine. Still, the tapes gave Trump’s allies a chance to recycle that allegation closer to the 2020 election. . . .The clips released in Kyiv consisted of conversations that Biden had as vice president with Poroshenko, primarily about domestic Ukrainian political issues. At the time, Biden was the face of U.S. policy toward Ukraine, demanding as a matter of policy that the government make reforms to end corruption if it wanted to continue to receive billions of dollars in Western aid and loan guarantees.. . . At no point in the clips released Tuesday does Biden mention Burisma or his son.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

Sounds exactly like the kind of CT smear swill PoS would swallow and regurgitate in order to try to annoy liberals ("own the libturds" in Trumpist speak): a toady making an "array of accusations" based on nothing damning or even suspicious isn't news. But then, dishonesty is part of the ugliness, which is the point for Trumpists. Every single one of their hoaxes relies on Trumpists to treat accusations by other Trumpists as proof of guilt. They count on Trumpists to assume nefariousness where none exists.

Isn't it strange how nobody who is supposedly guilty is sin ever gets indicted by Trump's DOJ if his targets are so obviously guilty?

Isn't it strange that the administration whose people got indicted to the moon and back, swallowed by convictions, are the ones who *just know* it's actually everyone else who is guilty?

That said, I can see why Trumpists - including people who deny being Trumpists despite always defending Trump and always attacking the left with trollish BS, like PoS - would think demanding an end to corruption before loans are granted is an evil thing to do. If Trump hadn't been able to get money from the Russians due to a Russian concern about corruption, their boy would have been flat broke long ago.



At any rate, if by "Bidengate", PoS means self-referential Trumpist lies backed up by nothing in reality, then sure...it's begun. It began the moment Trump got caught trying to extort fabrication of dirt on Biden from Ukraine. It's what he always does: gets caught, immediately accuses a target on a different "side" of doing what he just got caught doing.

He knows the ugliness is the point for his supporters. He knows they'll say whatever he tells them to.

And that's why it doesn't matter that there is absolutely nothing here.

At no point in the clips released Tuesday does Biden mention Burisma or his son.

That HAS to be fake nooz! This was all about Hunter. Everyone knows it. If you don't believe me, just read some of the posts from Trump Fan Nation!
 
They didnt, until the dems decided to impeach Trump based on the same thing.

So the impeachment of Trump was appropriate then in your view. Obviously it had to be. Unless this thread is to say Biden did nothing wrong?
 
The Biden distraction or any named "Bidengate" would just be more Trump delusional illusion to draw attention away from the ills of all kind with which Trump has plagued America .


And treason,, cooruption...
 
So the impeachment of Trump was appropriate then in your view. Obviously it had to be. Unless this thread is to say Biden did nothing wrong?

Well obviously since there is no evidence of Biden mentioning Burisma or his son in what was released, that yes, it's saying that Biden did nothing wrong.
 
They didnt, until the dems decided to impeach Trump based on the same thing.

Hunter Biden wasn't running for POTUS so it's never BEEN "the same thing".
And at the time, Biden not only WAS STILL VP, he also was on record as saying (AT THAT TIME) that he was not going to run for POTUS in 2020.
So at that time, Biden wasn't trying to disturb the campaign of Donald Trump either, and unless and until proof of such a thing emerges, it's still not the same thing, and since it is doubtful any such evidence will emerge, it will never be the same thing.

So stop trying to compare two dissimilar things.
 
Well obviously since there is no evidence of Biden mentioning Burisma or his son in what was released, that yes, it's saying that Biden did nothing wrong.

Nonsense! Trump Fan Nation has said it was all because of the investigation into Hunter Biden. Your post is fake nooz.
 
So tapes that if anything exonerate Biden someone mean "Bidengate" has begun?
 
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