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Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan

ClaraD said:
can you prove those dead people are voting? Being on a voter roll does not mean the person voted in the election. In South Carolina there are dead people on those rolls too, but if they didn't vote there is no crime committed...it isn't illegal for a dead person to be on the roll...
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Every time conservatives are asked for proof of illegal voting, they come up with bumpkis. Trump's national commission to find fraud failed, and Kris Kobach, a leading Republican voice of voter fraud, also failed to back up his very loud mouth:

How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed

From a new Supreme Court ruling to a census question about citizenship, the campaign against illegal registration is thriving. But when the top proponent was challenged in a Kansas courtroom to prove that such fraud is rampant, the claims went up in smoke.

...That made the trial a telling opportunity to remove the voter fraud claims from the charged, and largely proof-free, realms of political campaigns and cable news shoutfests and examine them under the exacting strictures of the rules of evidence.

That’s precisely what occurred and according to [Judge] Robinson, an appointee of George W. Bush, the proof that voter fraud is widespread was utterly lacking.
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So when you ask Dobbs or any other Republican for evidence of their claims, don't hold your breath.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Democrats can try to frame it any way they want but in fact a first time politician beat a long time Washington insider 304-227. It wasn't tight at all.

They spent too much time polling the wrong places.
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I am not framing it any particular way...you claimed it was a landslide...based on the evidence I just provided you, it was not a landslide.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Why have dead people on voter registrations at all? Can't there be some synchronization and coordination between the various departments in order that this doesn't ever happen? Why has this policy not been looked at and solved over the past decades? It shouldn't be that complicated.
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Dead people periodically are removed from voter registrations. States do this intermittently to save money.
And because "Voting is the single, most important right in this country" shouldn't this right be taken seriously and protected from any possible criminal activity? Not just from "The Russians" but from those within the democracy who want their party to win at any costs and who will take steps, however illegal, to make that happen. So what then is the most foolproof way?.
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First answer my question.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Democrats can try to frame it any way they want but in fact a first time politician beat a long time Washington insider 304-227. It wasn't tight at all.

They spent too much time polling the wrong places.
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80% of presidential elections have a larger victory margin. Trump's electoral college margin was bottom 20% and his popular vote margin was third worst in history.
 
sanman said:
Lying Democrats are looking for any way to abuse the voting process.

If they were to get these crazy changes in place to make the election process look shakier, then that will enable them to cry "election interference" all over again.

Election rules have been fine all this time - don't try to shake things up to stack the deck in your favor.
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So..we have a few states that have all mail in voting. States have the right to have voting systems how they want it.
Those states that have all mail in voting tend to vote gop.
You guys never whined before this.

You guys are full of **** and it shows
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Democrats can try to frame it any way they want but in fact a first time politician beat a long time Washington insider 304-227. It wasn't tight at all.

They spent too much time polling the wrong places.
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Ah this is just typical right wing making something greater than it really is
 
Plasmaball said:
So..we have a few states that have all mail in voting. States have the right to have voting systems how they want it.
Those states that have all mail in voting tend to vote gop.
You guys never whined before this.

You guys are full of **** and it shows
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So why do you need it so bad? Because you want more states to vote GOP?
GTFO - nobody believes this crock of **** you're spewing

Plasmaball: "Please, I need muh mail-in voting! I need it for muh precious GOP!"

Huh, what a hero you are. :roll:
 
sanman said:
So why do you need it so bad? Because you want more states to vote GOP?
GTFO - nobody believes this crock of **** you're spewing

Plasmaball: "Please, I need muh mail-in voting! I need it for muh precious GOP!"

Huh, what a hero you are. :roll:
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It was good enough for your Big Orange Baboon Trump to do it in Florida. If mail-in voting is so wrong, why did Trump do it then?
 
Praxas said:
It was good enough for your Big Orange Baboon Trump to do it in Florida. If mail-in voting is so wrong, why did Trump do it then?
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Trump is prepared to accept/concede if he loses -- it's the other side who aren't. Instead, they want to tie up the Congress and Whitehouse with a wild goose chase for "Collusion", like the crooked McCarthyite stuntsmen they are.
So Trump's not the problem here. The Democrats want to win at all costs, and are totally unwilling to accept any election where they don't come out on top. Therefore their electoral stuntsmanship should be guarded against.

Why do you need mail-in voting so badly? How come you've suddenly got such an intense bee in your bonnet over it? Why do you have so many ants in your pants about it, all of a sudden?
You people better stop your stuntsmanship, or you'll wreck the system irreparably.
 
poweRob said:
He also doesn't have the questionable stance of, "Let's take a chance... how bad could he be?" on his side now either. His garbage administration is now a known factor.
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That's gonna be key, his track record. It might make some Democrats vote who stayed home last time and some Republicans stay home who voted last time.
 
Grand Mal said:
That's gonna be key, his track record. It might make some Democrats vote who stayed home last time and some Republicans stay home who voted last time.
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Let's hope.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Democrats can try to frame it any way they want but in fact a first time politician beat a long time Washington insider 304-227. It wasn't tight at all.

They spent too much time polling the wrong places.
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Trump squeaked into the White House through a loophole that favours conservatives. It won't happen again. He has a track record to point to now, for one thing. For another, he has been deliberately controversial and provocative and that's going to boomerang on him.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan[/h]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan - The New York Times


Remember when Republicans believes in states rights? That falls to the wayside when there is desperation to win a state that he won by a hair in 2016.

on another level, how will voters react to a threat to cut funding if the state decides to send out mail ballots?
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While this fat piece of **** is attacking Michigan, thousands of our fellow Americans in Michigan are being captured on camera holding whatever of their possessions and pets they could save while escaping from their homes which are now sitting under water because of the dam. Animals are dead everywhere. And this disgusting ignorant pig is being his usual ignorant **** self, butting in where he doesn't belong (yes, real Republicans believe in states' rights - Trump supporters are ****ing morons who aren't real Republicans). Real Republicans once had a heart too. Now all they care about is that revolting pig who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, and whose daughters' genitals he would grab if he decided to.
 
sanman said:
Trump is prepared to accept/concede if he loses -- it's the other side who aren't. Instead, they want to tie up the Congress and Whitehouse with a wild goose chase for "Collusion", like the crooked McCarthyite stuntsmen they are.
So Trump's not the problem here. The Democrats want to win at all costs, and are totally unwilling to accept any election where they don't come out on top. Therefore their electoral stuntsmanship should be guarded against.

Why do you need mail-in voting so badly? How come you've suddenly got such an intense bee in your bonnet over it? Why do you have so many ants in your pants about it, all of a sudden?
You people better stop your stuntsmanship, or you'll wreck the system irreparably.
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I see you fail at reading. Nothing you said addresses what I asked. If mail-in voting is so wrong, why did your big orange baboon Trump do it then?

And Trump refused to say he would accept the election results in 2016 if he lost.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
The 'ongoing pandemic' is fading to nothing and the election isn't until November. What 'ongoing pandemic is there in November?
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You must understand that Trump and most of his apologists are stupid and uneducated.

They are not only intentionally lying in many instances, but they are also incapable of telling the truth because they don't understand the truth. They are too stupid.

Trump is the best example of this:



It's clear Trump does not understand the basic concepts that are needed to understand the pandemic, projections of the pandemic, etc., and therefore is incapable of analyzing the situation and possible future responses to the pandemic.

Trump, is quite simply, too stupid to handle and manage the federal government's response to this crisis.

The only mental task trump is capable of doing is blaming other people for his failures.

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You wrote:

Fred C Dobbs II said:
What 'ongoing pandemic is there in November?
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My response:

As U.S. communities reopen and behavior patterns loosen still further, we will be forced to face the consequences of our insufficient action. Come October, I expect that we will be on the brink of another deadly round of COVID-19 infections. And if a significant wave of influenza infections crashes down upon us at the same time, even more people will die.

Having the medical means to prevent SARS-CoV-2 transmission would diminish the size and impact of a second COVID-19 wave. Indeed, with strong support by governments, the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries, and non-profit foundations, efforts to develop a vaccine and drugs that may block the virus’s transmission have shifted into high gear in laboratories around the world.
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by William A. Haseltine

William A. Haseltine, a scientist, biotech entrepreneur, and infectious disease expert, is Chair and President of the global health think tank ACCESS Health International.

Can the U.S. handle the second wave of COVID-19 coming our way? - MarketWatch

Summer may slow the spread of the coronavirus a bit, but it will back by fall with a second wave that looks a lot like the first wave, said a leading epidemiology researcher. And the immunity that will bring a real end to the pandemic may be a long time coming.

Marc Lipsitch, DPhil, is professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics. He discussed the prospects for mitigating a second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic and the potential approaches to faster development of a vaccine, with JAMA Editor-in-Chief Howard Bauchner, MD, on Dr. Bauchner’s podcast, “Conversations with Dr. Bauchner.”
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Harvard epidemiologist: Beware COVID-19’s second wave this fall | American Medical Association

The first wave hit in the spring of 1918 and was generally mild. The sick experienced flu-like symptoms and usually recovered after a few days; the total number of deaths were low. The Spanish Flu was just like any other flu season. And so, as summer rolled around, people continued their normal activities.

In the late summer and fall of 1918, the virus returned with a vengeance.

The second time around, victims died within hours or days of developing symptoms, their skin discoloring and their lungs filling with fluid that caused them to suffocate. This round accounted for more deaths in the U.S. than deaths from World War I. (If the upper-end estimates of 50 to 100 million worldwide deaths during the three waves are correct, it would make the virus deadlier than both World Wars combined.)

There wasn’t a vaccine for the virus in 1918, so primary precautions across the country included banning public gatherings and shutting down schools, churches and movie theaters. Mask-wearing was adopted and practiced widely across the states; cities mandated residents wear masks at all times. Social distancing worked in the areas it was enforced and helped keep the spread at bay. Cities like St. Louis, Missouri proved that enacting the rule proactively stunted the spread.
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Learning from the Spanish Flu | The River Reporter
 
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sanman said:
So why do you need it so bad? Because you want more states to vote GOP?
GTFO - nobody believes this crock of **** you're spewing

Plasmaball: "Please, I need muh mail-in voting! I need it for muh precious GOP!"

Huh, what a hero you are. :roll:
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So then you feel Alaska should suspend there mail in voting? Becsuse that's how they vote up there.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
So you haven't noticed that States are now opening up for business as usual? It's still shut down where you live and will continue that way until November? Where's that?
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Yes, but the informed epidemiologists all expect the virus to be with us until herd immunity or a vaccine (which gets us to herd immunity another way). Further, the reason to plan FOR a resurgence is so the voting systems are prepared if it happens. If those involved wait until there's a blowup in cases in October with the regular flu season, it's too late to get anything done. So the only rational decision for people involved in elections is to plan AS IF it will return, and hopefully we're all surprised in a good way and this thing is over, despite the expectations of every person informed about this virus and the patterns in a pandemic.
 
sanman said:
Wrong - it's Dems who are trying to fundamentally change the voting process - they're the revisionists who hate America and its constitutional practices.
The electoral process has worked fine all these years - stop trying to introduce fundamental changes to destabilize the country and its foundational democratic institutions.

Eric Holder, is that you?
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Vote by mail isn't destabilizing. That's just ignorant or stupid.

Vote by mail is not the main source of balloting in America, and it's done as a contingency for those who are far removed from America. When the better option of voting in person exists, naturally it should be followed in order to minimize fraud.
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So what if it's not the "main source"? And how does voting in person minimize fraud? They're on paper ballots.

So you're saying you want to bring in vote-by-mail in order to change electoral outcomes? Your statement then tells us all about you.

You want to reduce the democratic exercise to a farce that you can then game for your own benefit. The existing rules have worked fine for all this time. Don't try to **** with the fundamentals and then break the country.
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No what I said is voting by mail in a pandemic, when some people like my mother in law will be KILLED by COVID 19, will allow more people like her to vote. I don't know who will benefit from more people voting. It appears the GOP thinks they benefit the fewer people vote. That's fine, but if they're right and having more people vote is a disadvantage to GOP candidates, fine with me. Why should I care? We should all want everyone who wants to cast a vote legally to do so, and do it safely, and if vote by mail does that, why not?
 
sanman said:
Domestic voting by mail is ripe for all kinds of problems -- I'm surprised that the Collusion-fearing Left is so paradoxically unconcerned about potential for tampering.

(hint: they don't really believe their Collusion nonsense)
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There are multiple states that widely or uniformly use mail-in voting. Perhaps you can present us with the problems they have faced?
 
Questerr said:
There are multiple states that widely or uniformly use mail-in voting. Perhaps you can present us with the problems they have faced?
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Bottom line is Trump told the lemmings to oppose mail in voting, and they do as they're told. There's no principle or informed argument anywhere in sight - it's just Trump lied to them, they believe the lies, and adopt his position.

It's almost painfully stupid, but that's where we are.
 
sanman said:
So why do you need it so bad? Because you want more states to vote GOP?
GTFO - nobody believes this crock of **** you're spewing

Plasmaball: "Please, I need muh mail-in voting! I need it for muh precious GOP!"

Huh, what a hero you are. :roll:
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What are facts? Seems you're not familiar with the concept, and so ignore them to suit your ignorant beliefs.
 
sanman said:
Trump is prepared to accept/concede if he loses -- it's the other side who aren't. Instead, they want to tie up the Congress and Whitehouse with a wild goose chase for "Collusion", like the crooked McCarthyite stuntsmen they are.
So Trump's not the problem here. The Democrats want to win at all costs, and are totally unwilling to accept any election where they don't come out on top. Therefore their electoral stuntsmanship should be guarded against.

Why do you need mail-in voting so badly? How come you've suddenly got such an intense bee in your bonnet over it? Why do you have so many ants in your pants about it, all of a sudden?
You people better stop your stuntsmanship, or you'll wreck the system irreparably.
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Why do we support mail in voting, when voting in person will very likely subject the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions to the risk of a virus that will kill them, and force them into a choice - vote and risk death or not vote?

Gosh, that's a tough question, if you're an idiot.

And you ignored the point - mail in voting is good enough for Dear Leader. Why shouldn't the rest of the population have that same choice?
 
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