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Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan

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[h=1]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan[/h]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan - The New York Times

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday incorrectly accused Michigan’s Democratic secretary of state of mailing ballots to all of the state’s registered voters, falsely claiming that it was illegal, as he escalated his assault against mail voting.The president also threatened to withhold federal funds to Michigan and Nevada if the states proceed in expanding vote-by-mail efforts.
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Remember when Republicans believes in states rights? That falls to the wayside when there is desperation to win a state that he won by a hair in 2016.

on another level, how will voters react to a threat to cut funding if the state decides to send out mail ballots?
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan[/h]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan - The New York Times


Remember when Republicans believes in states rights? That falls to the wayside when there is desperation to win a state that he won by a hair in 2016.

on another level, how will voters react to a threat to cut funding if the state decides to send out mail ballots?
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Trump lies, Every Day, makes one wonder if that is the plan, tells so many lies it becomes normal.
What I find strange is none of the trumplings admit he lies at all, it is like once one becomes a trumpling they die from the neck up.
 
He needs to suppress the vote to win. Easy enough to figure out.
 
Casper said:
Trump lies, Every Day, makes one wonder if that is the plan, tells so many lies it becomes normal.
What I find strange is none of the trumplings admit he lies at all, it is like once one becomes a trumpling they die from the neck up.
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Mindless, soulless, heartless. Trump automatons, programmed as visceral reactionaries.
 
Conservatives do not want people to vote.
 
He’s probably telegraphing what Republicans plan on doing.

You have to remember the all-important rule: whatever Republicans accuse Democrats of doing is an announcement of what they’re going to do or are already doing.
 
Michigan is one of the swing states where either Trump or Joe Biden can win. The 100% mail in ballots make it highly likely that Biden will win.

Good news for democrats.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan[/h]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan - The New York Times


Remember when Republicans believes in states rights? That falls to the wayside when there is desperation to win a state that he won by a hair in 2016.

on another level, how will voters react to a threat to cut funding if the state decides to send out mail ballots?
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What didn't most Conservatives lie about when it came to values? Remember when they said they believed in personal responsibility? :lamo
 
Casper said:
Trump lies, Every Day, makes one wonder if that is the plan, tells so many lies it becomes normal.
What I find strange is none of the trumplings admit he lies at all, it is like once one becomes a trumpling they die from the neck up.
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From someone who would know:

Trump ‘despises’ his own supporters and would be ‘disgusted’ by them, says ex-friend Howard Stern | The Independent
American radio show host Howard Stern has said that Donald Trump supporters are the people the president “despises most”.


Surely that's obvious to everyone? He's constantly trolling them, having them argue against their stated values and principles on an almost daily basis. And that's why I believe Trump was dead serious when he called his base poorly educated. He was mocking them.
 
swing_voter said:
Michigan is one of the swing states where either Trump or Joe Biden can win. The 100% mail in ballots make it highly likely that Biden will win.

Good news for democrats.
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It's not going to be 100% mail in, but it's nice you're amplifying Trump's lies for him. Good job comrade.
 
JustHanging said:
From someone who would know:

Trump ‘despises’ his own supporters and would be ‘disgusted’ by them, says ex-friend Howard Stern | The Independent
American radio show host Howard Stern has said that Donald Trump supporters are the people the president “despises most”.


Surely that's obvious to everyone? He's constantly trolling them, having them argue against their stated values and principles on an almost daily basis. And that's why I believe Trump was dead serious when he called his base poorly educated. He was mocking them.
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There were people (like myself) who did buy into the maga mantra and gave him our votes. Then as days went into months, and then a year, his ability to grow into his new found role just wasn't happening. So voters like myself jumped off the train to salvage what we could of our dignity. What he's got left of his voting base now are people who don't even comprehend he's mocking them. He could stand in front of them and literally call them dumbass fools and they'd wave their Trump flags and cheer him on.
 
The Republican's assault on democracy continues apace:

Freed by Court Ruling, Republicans Step Up Effort to Patrol Voting
Officials seek to recruit 50,000 poll watchers and spend millions to fight voter fraud. Democrats say the real goal is to stop them from voting.
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The 1965 Voting Rights Act forced states to guarantee access to voting of all its citizens. The Republican Party used it to stoke white resentment ever since. In 2013 the increasingly radical conservative Supreme Court struck down key parts of it, enabling crap like this to begin--which the Republican Party quickly took advantage of.

The vote in November is about democracy in America. Will we defend it? Or not?
 
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SkyFox76 said:
There were people (like myself) who did buy into the maga mantra and gave him our votes. Then as days went into months, and then a year, his ability to grow into his new found role just wasn't happening. So voters like myself jumped off the train to salvage what we could of our dignity. What he's got left of his voting base now are people who don't even comprehend he's mocking them. He could stand in front of them and literally call them dumbass fools and they'd wave their Trump flags and cheer him on.
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I’m not sure it’s that simple. In talking to them, I have come to see that most of them readily realize Trump is a liar, con man, and generally a low life. But he’s a liar, con man, and low life who is advancing an agenda important to them that no one else would: whether it’s stacking the courts against abortion rights or checks on corporate power and influence, building the wall with Mexico, protecting their jobs even if they are obsolete, increasing American isolationism, degrading the wall between church and state, racism and xenophobia, etc....

These are all things that are obviously very important to a lot of people, in a very powerful and visceral way. It’s just that until now no politician really could openly admit to it or work towards it. Trump has shown them a way that that their agenda can be accomplished. Therefore so what that he is an extremely unpleasant character? It’s not like they are going to invite him over for dinner or anything. They just want him to get the job done- and he is doing just fine.
 
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MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan[/h]Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Michigan - The New York Times

Remember when Republicans believes in states rights?
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Republicans believe in power. Nothing else.

An hour later Trump made a similar threat against Nevada, saying the state had created “a great Voter Fraud scenario’’ and adding “If they do, ‘I think’ I can hold up funds to the State.’’

This story is so amazing in so many ways. Let me try to count some of them:

It's a blatant lie. Applications were sent out, not ballots.
A number of other states are doing the same thing, including Republican states.
Michigan's attempt to make voting easier is in part a response to Trump's catastrophic failure regarding the pandemic.
Trump is threatening to extort a state for political purposes only five months after being impeached for trying to extort Ukraine for political purposes.
There is basically no evidence of voter fraud in Michigan or anywhere else.
There is very little evidence that mail-in voting gives an advantage to Democrats.
Trump voted by mail himself in March in Florida's primary.
A president has no authority to withhold funds for this reason. Not that that has stopped him before (holding up defense funds for Ukraine).

My guess is that he is laying the groundwork to contest his defeat in November.
 
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Michigan and Nevada with a gun to their heads over federal funding versus mail-in balloting. Forgets to mention numerous RED states doing the same thing, such as Iowa, Nebraska, Virginia, ETC.

Hasn’t the ability to show empathy for Michigan’s spring floods, let alone the Nation’s dead and essential workers. Even Trump Parents realize how perilous these times are.
 
SkyFox76 said:
There were people (like myself) who did buy into the maga mantra and gave him our votes. Then as days went into months, and then a year, his ability to grow into his new found role just wasn't happening. So voters like myself jumped off the train to salvage what we could of our dignity. What he's got left of his voting base now are people who don't even comprehend he's mocking them. He could stand in front of them and literally call them dumbass fools and they'd wave their Trump flags and cheer him on.
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ataraxia said:
I’m not sure it’s that simple. In talking to them, I have come to see that most of them readily realize Trump is a liar, con man, and generally a low life. But he’s a liar, con man, and low life who is advancing an agenda important to them that no one else would: whether it’s stacking the courts against abortion rights or checks on corporate power and influence, building the wall with Mexico, protecting their jobs even if they are obsolete, increasing American isolationism, degrading the wall between church and state, racism and xenophobia, etc....

These are all things that are obviously very important to a lot of people, in a very powerful and visceral way. It’s just that until now no politician really could openly admit to it or work towards it. Trump has shown them a way that that their agenda can be accomplished. Therefore so what that he is an extremely unpleasant character? It’s not like they are going to invite him over for dinner or anything. They just want him to get the job done- and he is doing just fine.
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Well said, ataraxia. In every era there are people who are disgruntled, people who are alienated and resentful. Populists take advantage of those emotions, playing to them rather than to reason.

A responsible politician has to find ways to address the needs of people while not stoking ultimately destructive emotions.

Since the 1990s the Republican Party has become increasingly detached from any sense of responsibility to the larger democratic ideals of this country, slashing and burning our institutions on their way to power. Trump is the ultimate expression of this.
 
jpn said:
Well said, ataraxia. In every era there are people who are disgruntled, people who are alienated and resentful. Populists take advantage of those emotions, playing to them rather than to reason.

A responsible politician has to find ways to address the needs of people while not stoking ultimately destructive emotions.

Since the 1990s the Republican Party has become increasingly detached from any sense of responsibility to the larger democratic ideals of this country, slashing and burning our institutions on their way to power. Trump is the ultimate expression of this.
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What is the point of power for powers sake? If one does not have any guiding principles or understanding of responsibility, then what meaning is there in the continued pursuit of power? If power is all that matters to some people, then what kind of hollow existence do they live?
 
Domestic voting by mail is ripe for all kinds of problems -- I'm surprised that the Collusion-fearing Left is so paradoxically unconcerned about potential for tampering.

(hint: they don't really believe their Collusion nonsense)
 
jpn said:
A responsible politician has to find ways to address the needs of people while not stoking ultimately destructive emotions.

Since the 1990s the Republican Party has become increasingly detached from any sense of responsibility to the larger democratic ideals of this country, slashing and burning our institutions on their way to power. Trump is the ultimate expression of this.
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Do you notice any contradiction between these two statements?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Your research is flawed. Lawsuit: Detroit has thousands of dead people on voter lists
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From your article:

The lawsuit, however, does not claim that someone living ever actually tried to vote as a deceased voter in Detroit. Nor does it allege that any voter fraud has actually occurred in Detroit, a majority-black Democratic stronghold that played pivotal roles in the last two elections, one way or another, and is expected to do so again in 2020.
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sanman said:
Domestic voting by mail is ripe for all kinds of problems -- I'm surprised that the Collusion-fearing Left is so paradoxically unconcerned about potential for tampering. (hint: they don't really believe their Collusion nonsense)
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No, mail-in voting is probably safer than any other system. Tell Republican Senator Gardner from Colorado to resign if you have problems with mail-in voting, sanman.

Think!
 
Goebbels’s GOPutins — squishing oversight on the level of Xi/Vlad — Trump HATES Democratic Women
 
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Fred C Dobbs II said:
Your research is flawed. Lawsuit: Detroit has thousands of dead people on voter lists
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See? Exactly the kind of soft-headed thinking that conservative ideology depends on.

Every voter list is going to contain flaws, so yes, dead people may be on voter lists.

Here's the thing, though. Dead people don't vote. Their presence on lists doesn't meany anything.

Show me some instances where significant numbers of deceased people's votes ended up being counted, and then you'll have evidence of fraud.

Not until then.

Paragraph two of your article: "The lawsuit, however, does not claim that someone living ever actually tried to vote as a deceased voter in Detroit. Nor does it allege that any voter fraud has actually occurred in Detroit, a majority-black Democratic stronghold that played pivotal roles in the last two elections, one way or another, and is expected to do so again in 2020."

Duh.
 
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