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Florida scientist was fired for 'refusing to manipulate' COVID-19 data, she said

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Variant said:
A fully transparent data analysis doesn't seem to be the goal here.

If you decide what your conclusion before you start and then slant the data to support it you simply aren't a scientist in any way.
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exactly. data leads to the conclusions. the conclusion doesn't lead the data.

you have to realize that leftist only care about feelings.
 
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Well I'M certainly convinced. ANY time a 'scientist' bases ALL of their arguments on MIGHT (the cornerstone of that entire article) you just KNOW its going to be unbiased and reliable.

Fodder for the idiot leftists.
 
VanceMack said:
Well I'M certainly convinced. ANY time a 'scientist' bases ALL of their arguments on MIGHT (the cornerstone of that entire article) you just KNOW its going to be unbiased and reliable.

Fodder for the idiot leftists.
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Florida Governor Defends Firing Of Top Data Scientist : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

evidently she was putting in bogus data.
also looks like she is a bit crazy as she has a stalking order against her.

so she was putting in data not authorized and doing stuff to the map that was not approved or consulted on.
 
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VanceMack said:
Well I'M certainly convinced. ANY time a 'scientist' bases ALL of their arguments on MIGHT (the cornerstone of that entire article) you just KNOW its going to be unbiased and reliable.
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No, all you've done is tell us you don't have the first clue about science. Yet here you are playing the expert. Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

Fodder for the idiot leftists.
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....as you babble on, shouting to all and sundry that you are a complete know-nothing when it comes to science, and yet here you are insulting a person who has devoted their life to studying the subject. SMH. You are a great Trump supporter.

If you ask politely, I could tell you how I know so you don't make such ridiculous posts in the future.
 
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ludin said:
Florida Governor Defends Firing Of Top Data Scientist : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

evidently she was putting in bogus data.
also looks like she is a bit crazy as she has a stalking order against her.

so she was putting in data not authorized and doing stuff to the map that was not approved or consulted on.
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You think the person who has devoted their entire life to studying science has decided to commit career suicide. And instead, you're going to put your faith in the politician who has a vested interest in lying. On no more evidence than the word of the politician. Dang, Trump must love you.

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ludin said:
Florida Governor Defends Firing Of Top Data Scientist : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

evidently she was putting in bogus data.
also looks like she is a bit crazy as she has a stalking order against her.

so she was putting in data not authorized and doing stuff to the map that was not approved or consulted on.
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May or may not be relevant. All I know for sure is the article cited in the OP is typical of the kind of bull**** that the leftists on this site routinely cite and lose their **** over...usually to have it blow up in their face.
 
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JustHanging said:
No, all you've done is tell us you don't have the first clue about science. Yet here you are playing the expert. Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia



....as you babble on, shouting to all and sundry that you are a complete know-nothing when it comes to science, and yet here you are insulting a person who has devoted their life to studying the subject. SMH. You are a great Trump supporter.

If you ask politely, I could tell you how I know so you don't make such ridiculous posts in the future.
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:lamo

I'm not playing expert...I'm stating quite clearly everying in the article cited was bull**** predicated on NO scientific theory...only conjecture. Might. And of COURSE you swallowed it like you were supposed to...like they knew you would...reliably...without question.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Florida scientist was fired for 'refusing to manipulate' COVID-19 data, she said

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Rebekah Jones holds a MS degree in Geography and Mass Communication from LSU and
a PhD in Geography from Florida State University.



Seems like Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) wants his COVID data manipulated to act a cheerleader for his re-opening plans. The most important task is to make Trump happy.

Another Republican charlatan :shrug:

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I’m not a DeSantis fan. But in fairness he claims her PhD is not in the field of medical research, that she was fired for specific cause, and after the fact they have found she has pre-existing open complaints of computer based harassment and sexual harassment.

If that’s true the paperwork ought to be public if anyone wants to go looking. Unless by complaint they don’t mean criminal, but HR variety.
 
ludin said:
Florida Governor Defends Firing Of Top Data Scientist : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

evidently she was putting in bogus data.
also looks like she is a bit crazy as she has a stalking order against her.

so she was putting in data not authorized and doing stuff to the map that was not approved or consulted on.
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In spite of NPR's usual slant this "top scientist" (a geography and communications major...at least one of those a favorite for football players on athletic scholarships) the facts are murky, at best. While she claims to have authored the entire system, for free, but is afraid she won't get paid does not sound like "the states top data scientist" (LOL). It sounds like an intern who adopted or created a project working for others in real authority (the epidemiological team and supervisor).

Moreover, as articles don't tell us exactly what data was disputed, when it was disputed, who she interacted with or any other detail than her feeling that maybe things won't be transparent after she leaves sounds more like wounded pride than a substantive issue.

Having retired in IT management the whole thing sounds like sour grapes from someone whose ego was deeply invested in a trivial enterprise. Posting data, no matter how attractively, doesn't make one a scientist. Those designing and managing data field collection, compilations, statistical analysis, and correction are more of a "scientist" then this person.

I'm sure the underside of this stalker will be exposed … long after her propaganda value for the left is exhausted.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
I’m not a DeSantis fan. But in fairness he claims her PhD is not in the field of medical research, that she was fired for specific cause, and after the fact they have found she has pre-existing open complaints of computer based harassment and sexual harassment.

If that’s true the paperwork ought to be public if anyone wants to go looking. Unless by complaint they don’t mean criminal, but HR variety.
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I can't find any record of it being mentioned before DeSantis revealed it. The 'causes' for the firing raises as many red flags as the accusation from her. I do not have see the evidence for either side claim.
 
ludin said:
exactly. data leads to the conclusions. the conclusion doesn't lead the data.

you have to realize that leftist only care about feelings.
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I think you misunderstand me. I think the person that was interested in a fully transparent and complete data analysis was the person who created a website to do just that.
 
Variant said:
I think you misunderstand me. I think the person that was interested in a fully transparent and complete data analysis was the person who created a website to do just that.
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Knowing literally nothing about the woman, why do you 'think' that?

I mean...beyond the probability that thinking that confirms your own bias.
 
VanceMack said:
Knowing literally nothing about the woman, why do you 'think' that?

I mean...beyond the probability that thinking that confirms your own bias.
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You can go look at the website yourself. She wasn't fired for doing a bad job.
 
RAMOSS said:
I can't find any record of it being mentioned before DeSantis revealed it. The 'causes' for the firing raises as many red flags as the accusation from her. I do not have see the evidence for either side claim.
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I can’t, and don’t, verify it as authentic. I heard DeSantis’ recorded interview where he raised the cross allegations.
 
Re: Florida scientist said she was fired for 'refusing to manipulate' COVID-19 data

HumblePi said:
These numbers are death numbers and infection numbers. These are numbers collected and used by the CDC and the HHS and all these statistical numbers are vital.

Let me ask you a question. If you bought a Subaru because statistically they are one of the safest cars to buy and you want to protect your family if you are hit head-on by another car, would you still buy that car it was discovered that Subaru lied about their safety record and instead of being the safest car it turned out that it was #9 on the list of safest cars?

Making this relative to the numbers of reported infections and deaths in any state, if the numbers are under-reported, people will believe that the odds of them being infected are so low that they will go out in public and not take precautions like social distancing and wearing a mask. They will be putting their own lives in jeopardy simply because they were lied to.
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What you are saying is all quite sensible.

It is also quite disconnected from the case we are discussing.

Did she do the job to which she was assigned performing to the satisfaction of the folks that assigned her that job to do?

That's really the only question regarding her performance.

Regarding her termination, was she informed that her performance was not acceptable and what amendments to her behavior she needed to initiate to correct them to acceptable?

Was this process in conformance with prevailing HR policies?

That's about the only questions regarding the dismissal.

The employee is free to do whatever it is that the employee wants to do. If it's not what the employer is paying them to do, they will probably be replaced by a more helpful employee.

Ah Bartleby. Ah humanity.
 
Variant said:
I think you misunderstand me. I think the person that was interested in a fully transparent and complete data analysis was the person who created a website to do just that.
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You should read the article i posted. It states otherwise.
 
Variant said:
You can go look at the website yourself. She wasn't fired for doing a bad job.
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Florida Governor Defends Firing Of Top Data Scientist : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

yes she was.

Rebekah Jones exhibited a repeated course of insubordination during her time with the department, including her unilateral decisions to modify the department's COVID-19 dashboard without input or approval from the epidemiological team or her supervisors."

"She is not the chief architect of our Web portal. That is another false statement, and what she was doing was she was putting data on the portal, which the scientists didn't believe was valid data."

In Orlando on Wednesday, DeSantis said, "Our data is available. Our data is transparent. In fact, Dr. Birx has talked multiple times about how Florida has the absolute best data. So any insinuation otherwise is just typical partisan narrative trying to be spun."
 
Phys251 said:
So now we're in the suppression of facts stage of this crisis. Isn't this exactly what the pro-coronavirus crowd has been whining about with China? :doh
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It's happening in republican states all over the country (Except maybe MD and Ohio). Especially where meat packing plants are concerned.
 
Phys251 said:
Who is "they"? Seems that this scientist was just doing her job and got censored by state officials. Do you deny this?
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I posted on this a day or two ago. Basically she was told to lie with the data, refused to and got fired. If she can prove all that, she'll have one hell of a law suit.
 
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HumblePi said:
Florida scientist said she was fired for 'refusing to manipulate' COVID-19 data

The scientist who created Florida's COVID-19 data portal wasn't just removed from her position on May 5, she was fired on Monday by the Department of Health, she said, for refusing to manipulate data.

Rebekah Jones said in an email to FLORIDA TODAY that she single-handedly created two applications in two languages, four dashboards, six unique maps with layers of data functionality for 32 variables covering a half a million lines of data. Her objective was to create a way for Floridians and researchers to see what the COVID-19 situation was in real time.

Then, she was dismissed.

After FLORIDA TODAY first reported Jones' removal from her position in charge of the Florida COVID-19 Data and Surveillance Dashboard she created, she confirmed, as reported by CBS-12 in West Palm Beach that she was fired because she was ordered to censor some data, but refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

Florida scientist said she was fired for 'refusing to manipulate' COVID-19 data
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I have suspected all along that Ron Desantis, Governor of Florida and possibly Brian Kemp, Governor of Georgia have been 'modifying' the numbers of deaths and infections from Covid-19 under Trump's orders. Ron Desantis would do his best to sprout wings and quack like a duck if Trump told him to. But fooling the public is hurting the public. People in Florida will have a false sense of security if they believe the greatest danger is over. They'll go out in public without masks and forget all about social distancing.
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No different than Dr. Rick Bright. Anyone that pushes back against the President or a GOP governor gets fired for doing their jobs. Their is a nasty pattern of corruption here. It will all be exposed by November. Then we will have a changing of the guard. Can't come soon enough.
 
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OlNate said:
Uh, no.

The reason analysis is performed is to achieve overall understanding of a situation, to drive an action. The reason behind wanting to understand a situation could be anything - problem solving, finding cost savings, driving employee engagement, identifying areas of risk or opportunity, etc. A good analyst will include ALL data in their models, so that they can use different approaches to do their work.

F'rinstance: Your productivity metric, to begin with, is worthless in problem solving, except to perhaps highlight that further data is required, in the event that it slips below targeted levels. As soon as it slips below target, you will need to bring back all the variables to get to root cause. Furthermore, it can easily hide problems, if no other variables are checked - your productivity numbers might be fine, but if your quality control levels are achieved are bad, your customer satisfaction will drop, and your level of sales will plummet. Sure, ya got good productivity, but your plant closes because you're sending out garbage. This is the danger of what is known as "Watermelon metrics" - green on the outside, red on the inside - meaning that while the target is being met, it's either directly or indirectly leading to a negative result for the company. I'm sure you can imagine why Florida might be tempted by Watermelon metrics right now.

No successful company in the world limits data analysis to views that tell them they're always right, and no competent analyst carves metrics in stone.

I'd expect someone with 40 years of analysis experience to know this.

Also, your notion that one should only do their job is ridiculous. Going above and beyond is at the core of anyone's journey to promotion, no matter what their occupation is. Challenging and scrutinizing models is an analyst's job - not only was it allowed in every private sector job I've had as an analyst working in Fortune 500 companies, but it was encouraged and rewarded, especially if the challenging and scrutinization leads to greater visibility of organizational workings and results in a way that improves overall process or profitability. I have been promoted for doing EXACTLY what this woman got fired for, because simply changing a dashboard caused people to look at a problem differently, leading to the realization of millions of dollars in cost savings. At worst, even if nothing new was discovered, it would have lead to greater confidence in the metrics being used, having stood up to greater scrutiny.

Sorry, there is nothing in this scenario that speaks to a prioritization of analysis over messaging...and that's the most generous appraisal. As an analyst, I'd say this looks more like a bunch of hacks trying to bury their responsibility behind a curtain of numbers. If you truly were an analyst for 40 years, you know how often and easily that happens as well. Being fired for providing greater clarity through better data is HIGHLY suspect. Incompetent leadership in this situation is, sadly, the best case scenario.
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Lots of words that are meaningless.

I limited the consideration in my example to only productivity. That renders about 99% of you post meaningless.

Regarding the 1% that is left, thanks for the effort.

Do you have any actual facts regarding the firing of the person in question that support anything you were raving about?
 
The AntiDonald said:
I posted on this a day or two ago. Basically she was told to lie with the data, refused to and got fired. If she can prove all that, she'll have one hell of a law suit.
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That is what SHE says she was told to do.
There is evidence that was not the case.
 
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code1211 said:
Lots of words that are meaningless.

I limited the consideration in my example to only productivity. That renders about 99% of you post meaningless.

Regarding the 1% that is left, thanks for the effort.

Do you have any actual facts regarding the firing of the person in question that support anything you were raving about?
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lol...so, you give a misleading, pointless story, causing me to doubt you spent one day in analysis, let alone 40 years, and now you wanna blubber about people responding with stories, let's get back to the facts? :lamo

This actually made my day... :lamo

It also kinda rendered you pointless to listen to. Which actually was the goal of my previous point - I should have spent less effort, and just let you make that point for me, since you did anyway. :)

"Debating" with you is fun. ;)
 
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