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World of Warcraft release revives concern over games addiction

Zyphlin said:
Heh, by the time I got my flying mount I was already done and leaving Outland unfortunantely, so this is my first experience with flying outside of just screwing around a bit. Its useful for getting around any random fights or when there's not a straight line....but with a straight line the epic land still seems more efficient.
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When you start doing the daily Troll Patrol, use your epic land if you don't have an epic flyer yet. Also, get the mini add-on Finklstien for the chemistry part of the quest: it will show you exactly where to go and what you need.
 
Zyphlin said:
I've managed to avoid PVP for 77 levels. The first of any kind of "PVP" I did was in a quest last night, where 9 of the kills was actually NPC's and one was a PC I just happened to run into. And the quest was optional.

While at launch it may've been different, its now got a large number of populated PvE servers which has PVP only in specified locations or through specified quests.
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When I got my first PvP kill on my ret pally, I didn't even mean to.

An 80 huntard friend was going to run me through DM (weren't we just talking about that?) and a few lvl30ish hordies thought they were baddesses for tearing up that lobie ali town.

They were flagged when my 80 bro showed up...it was quick...I was paying more attention to chatting at the time then what was going on around me...next thing I know I have the Honorable Kill achievement and a fist full of auto-grats from the guild :lol:
 
Jerry said:
Heh, I found out the hard way that my crappy Altel internet card can't support the bandwidth for 25 mans :(

/fail
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IMO it's not fail. WoW has much to offer from the novice to the basement dweller.

I don't judge people on their gear, I look at their professions, rep and achievements as well, it's all about enjoying the game.

Jerry said:
I do my business in Iron Forge, so while waiting for customers to show up and get mats for chants, titansteel smelt, etc, some n00bs in Stormwind start pst'ing me wanting consecutive runs through Dead Mines and Stocks.
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I detest IF, that's just me though. I keep my bank toon in Stormwind and my mains in Dalaran.

I don't charge for VC runs, call it my charitable contribution to the game. I just show up in Westfall, gather up those interested, help them with the Defias Traitor quest if needed, then burn through VC.

Jerry said:
Being a capitalist, I don't say no, I state my price (which can go up or down depending on if I have planes at the time they ask). 10g per run for a group or 15g per run solo. The typical response is usually something like "lol wut there's not that much money in the whole game n00b nm".
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I'm a capitalist, I just do it a bit diferrently.

My rogue is alch/enchant, priest is tailor/herb and druid is miner/jc.

My rogue farms cloth, priest tailors it, rogue de's it.

Rogue makes pots, and chants all BOE for the others, priest supplies herb, druid supplies gems. Works well. :cool:

The real money is playing the AH. Buy out entire stocks of certain ores/herbs/pots on raid nights = cha ching.

Jerry said:
Friends and guild are free, but some nobody that just expects max lvl toons to be at their disposal is going to pay.

A tip for anyone going up through the levels for the first time: Visit your race's n00b aria now and then and offer gold/help for nothing. You won't regret it.
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Good advice.
 
GottaHurt said:
IMO it's not fail. WoW has much to offer from the novice to the basement dweller.
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Thing is, I found out my connection can't support 25 mans when I was starting my first ever Naxx (yes, the guild was carrying me).

I d/c'd 5 times in 2 minutes.

So....I read up on what kind of tanks/healers people preferred to have in their group, brought an enhance shammy to lvl30ish...then tried a feral druid to 20ish...and finally fell in love with my Retardadin who is sitting at lvl74 patiently waiting for me to log back in one day and continue the PWNage :cool:

GottaHurt said:
I detest IF, that's just me though. I keep my bank toon in Stormwind and my mains in Dalaran.
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I started hanging around IF while leveling up. The layout of the city made it easy to power level proffs. Darn is to far away for customers to hearth to and then catch a boat back to Northrend. I guess SW is ok but it's a lil to...Robbinhood'ish for my tastes.

GottaHurt said:
I'm a capitalist, I just do it a bit diferrently.

My rogue is alch/enchant, priest is tailor/herb and druid is miner/jc.

My rogue farms cloth, priest tailors it, rogue de's it.

Rogue makes pots, and chants all BOE for the others, priest supplies herb, druid supplies gems. Works well. :cool:

The real money is playing the AH. Buy out entire stocks of certain ores/herbs/pots on raid nights = cha ching.
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Hmm, I buy gold from MMOstreet and power level off the AH. Leveling proffs is much more fun when I get to see what new thing I get to create quicker. Don't get me wrong, I don't buy so much gold as to spoil the game, but I don't log on to farm. Farm = work and I work for work, I play WoW to have fun and unwind, not farm.

But...you know...suppose I don't want to spend hours and hours every day for a few weeks to collect 5K for my epic flyer....I do my dailies, I sell goods and services....I just want to cut down the waiting time so I can go do other things like Sons of Hidor quests...so I pay a visit to my friends over at MMO...a pre-paid credit card number and an hour later, I have my flyer :cool:
 
By the time I hit 77 on my DK, I had enough gold for the epic riding skill, epic mount, and cold weather flying.

1. Avoid buying anything from the AH except bags. Especially consumables.
2. Auction all the cloth, meat, and BOE greens that you get. Enchanters buy BOE greens, regardless of the stats, to get skill ups. If they don't enchant it, then they DE it for a shard that's worth 3-15g. Meat is profitable for cooks when they can use it to create food with stat bonuses, and the demand never goes away. Cloth is an obvious one.
3. Be a miner or herbalist and auction the raw materials. Prospectors pay a lot for unsmelted ore, often more than the corresponding bars. Lazy miners also buy ore for skilling up.
4. Whenever possible, choose staves and 2-handed weapons when there are no upgrades in the quest reward list, they vendor for the most.
5. I ran stratholme about 8 times, so some gold grinding but not much.

I'm sure there are better strategies, but this is what worked for me.
 
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Jerry said:
Thing is, I found out my connection can't support 25 mans when I was starting my first ever Naxx (yes, the guild was carrying me).

I d/c'd 5 times in 2 minutes.

So....I read up on what kind of tanks/healers people preferred to have in their group, brought an enhance shammy to lvl30ish...then tried a feral druid to 20ish...and finally fell in love with my Retardadin who is sitting at lvl74 patiently waiting for me to log back in one day and continue the PWNage :cool:
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I've been on hiatus since Feb 15th. I'll reactivate my account on the next xpac.

The only thing that matters, is that you enjoy the game.

Jerry said:
I started hanging around IF while leveling up. The layout of the city made it easy to power level proffs. Darn is to far away for customers to hearth to and then catch a boat back to Northrend. I guess SW is ok but it's a lil to...Robbinhood'ish for my tastes.
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Yea, most everyone I know who've been playing since vanilla are IF fans, I just like SW, it's nothing but a thing.

Jerry said:
Hmm, I buy gold from MMOstreet and power level off the AH. Leveling proffs is much more fun when I get to see what new thing I get to create quicker. Don't get me wrong, I don't buy so much gold as to spoil the game, but I don't log on to farm. Farm = work and I work for work, I play WoW to have fun and unwind, not farm.
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That statement is Epic Win, I laughed hard on that one.

I farm because I love the challenge, I'm flagged so itsa farmin' and a gankin' for me. There's nothing better than ruining some dirtbag hordes gaming experience, than camping his/her punk ass and forcing them off my farm.

Jerry said:
But...you know...suppose I don't want to spend hours and hours every day for a few weeks to collect 5K for my epic flyer....I do my dailies, I sell goods and services....I just want to cut down the waiting time so I can go do other things like Sons of Hidor quests...so I pay a visit to my friends over at MMO...a pre-paid credit card number and an hour later, I have my flyer :cool:
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It's all good, to each his own.

I have BC rep flyers, Reins of the Onyx Netherwing Drake & Cenarion War Hippogryph, they work for me.
 
I think game addiction is a very serious issue. When I was in high school and college, I became hooked on Everquest (and later WoW). As a result, I didn't socialize nearly as much as I should have, and to this day my social skills are lacking. Additionally, in college I started playing computer games so much that I would frequently miss class. I became very depressed and nearly dropped out, and thought of suicide.

Maybe this is a chicken-or-egg type of problem...I don't know. I remember playing lots of computer games and not socializing, then becoming depressed...but maybe my depression led to the computer games and not socializing. At any rate, as soon as I stopped playing WoW, my life definitely improved.
 
Redress said:
I have been going the harvesting route. Can still XP while I harvest, and I have enough money now that it is not an issue...so far. One of the hard things about being new to a game is you don't have a good point of reference to know if, for example, you have enough money yet.
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What level/class/race do you play?
 
Jerry said:
What level/class/race do you play?
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Heh, you moved it to another thread. 40 human warlock so far.

By the way, since this is in this thread now, I found this interesting, if I can make the image link thing work.

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Average min per week is minutes played per week.
 
I've never been into WoW that much at all, my roomate in college plays WoW all the time, and it is interesting to watch, but I personally prefer LARPing just because I feel more into the RP / fighting - especially with the boffer combat.
 
Travelsonic said:
I've never been into WoW that much at all, my roomate in college plays WoW all the time, and it is interesting to watch, but I personally prefer LARPing just because I feel more into the RP / fighting - especially with the boffer combat.
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I have heard of you guys. Looked kinda neat in a geeky sort of way.
 
Travelsonic said:
Indeed, it is a LOT of fun too.
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I was involved in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_creative_anachronism"]SCA[/ame] for a short while, which is kinda similar in a way. Kinda neat in a geeky sort of way, though I was too stoned at the time to really remember alot from it.
 
Redress said:
Heh, you moved it to another thread. 40 human warlock so far.
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How much per hour do you make at your job, and how much gold can you earn in an hour of gathering?
 
Jerry said:
How much per hour do you make at your job, and how much gold can you earn in an hour of gathering?
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I do harvesting/gathering, mining and skinning, and I dunno really. I never just harvest, I harvest as I do quests, so it really fluctuates. At now 41, I have not quite 300 gold, if that tells you anything.
 
Redress said:
I was involved in SCA for a short while, which is kinda similar in a way. Kinda neat in a geeky sort of way, though I was too stoned at the time to really remember alot from it.
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In college I play(ed?) two LARPs:

One was titled Refuge the Chronicles, a high fantasy game where players had to work their way off an island and defeat an alchemist who had taken control of the surrounding mainlands. It was quite interesting, especially when I got to help run the games... I did some very evil things to other players. :lol:

The other I started playing last year was called Systems Malfunction - a very... interesting... sci-fi game. The plotlines kept changing fairly rapidly, so to describe it all would take a lot longer.

I did try to start my own, and got very far in the testing / development, hopefully I can get it running soon. It is a wacky game that, well, basically uses elements from every slapstick cartoon (Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes, etc) you can think of in regards to race, plots, weapons, environment, etc. I have the rulebooks, character sheets, NPC (non-player character sheets), and weapon tags ready alongside my supply of boffer weapons... since the club funding the LARPs on campus didn't really make a "communal" supply of weapons for other, new games, plus I like making them.

I do hope one day to try NERO - the New England Roleplaying Organization - their games - being weekend length - look quite fun, and I have many friends from college who participate.
 
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Redress said:
I do harvesting/gathering, mining and skinning, and I dunno really. I never just harvest, I harvest as I do quests, so it really fluctuates. At now 41, I have not quite 300 gold, if that tells you anything.
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MMO Street - WoW Gold, Vanguard Gold, FFIX Gil

$30 = 700g, that's your epic land mount in a few levels.

I personaly don't buy so much gold as to ruin the game. I still do dailys, farm, and sell goods and services, but I do buy gold when the game becomes more work than play.

I recomend using a pre-paied bebit card, just like you would use pre-paid games cards. Once you pay you get online, hang out in Stormwind, and an in-game toon PMs you. You meet, s/he opens a trade window and KABLAM you a baddess mudda****ah!!
 
Jerry said:
MMO Street - WoW Gold, Vanguard Gold, FFIX Gil

$30 = 700g, that's your epic land mount in a few levels.

I personaly don't buy so much gold as to ruin the game. I still do dailys, farm, and sell goods and services, but I do buy gold when the game becomes more work than play.

I recomend using a pre-paied bebit card, just like you would use pre-paid games cards. Once you pay you get online, hang out in Stormwind, and an in-game toon PMs you. You meet, s/he opens a trade window and KABLAM you a baddess mudda****ah!!
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Ewww.

I hate with a passion that people use services like that. If I cannot accomplish something by my own skills, then I don't want to accomplish it at all.
 
Redress said:
Ewww.

I hate with a passion that people use services like that. If I cannot accomplish something by my own skills, then I don't want to accomplish it at all.
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You think it's a lack of skill that atracts the avarage buyer?
 
Jerry said:
You think it's a lack of skill that atracts the avarage buyer?
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No, probably lack of time more than anything else.

I started playing Everquest in 2001. When I started, I knew next to nothing about computer games, the internet, or online games. When I quit finally in 2007, I was in the top 10 serverwide for my class. I am able to spend the time, and have the ability to succeed without spending real money to buy gold...which I could not afford right now if I wanted too anyway.

Admittedly, it's easy for me with the time on my hands and the experience at MMOs and my abilities at them to look down on services like the one you linked, and possibly unfair as well.
 
Redress said:
No, probably lack of time more than anything else.

I started playing Everquest in 2001. When I started, I knew next to nothing about computer games, the internet, or online games. When I quit finally in 2007, I was in the top 10 serverwide for my class. I am able to spend the time, and have the ability to succeed without spending real money to buy gold...which I could not afford right now if I wanted too anyway.

Admittedly, it's easy for me with the time on my hands and the experience at MMOs and my abilities at them to look down on services like the one you linked, and possibly unfair as well.
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There ya go.

When I log on, I have an hour or 2, maybe 3 on a weekend night.

Some dailies on my main, maybe a few exp quests for my 74Retardadin if no one's doing dungeons....then off I go.

That's something else, leveling a toon. Constantly upgrading plate is expensive, but what really burns a hole is the cost of keeping a Guardian and Battle elixir, a scroll and buff-food up to make leveling go faster.

When I'm leveling my pally, and someone wants me to join a dungeon, I have to switch elixirs/buff-food out from what I use to level to what I use to fight bosses and off-heal.

7K just to fly in Northrend (1K for flying skill, 5K for the epic flying skill, 1K for Cold Weather Flying) at lvl77 means I'm making another visit to my friends over at MMO when the time comes.

Better to spend a few real hours worth of salary and buy gold than spend a few dozen real hours sitting on my ass board out of my skull farming, imo.

I know a few people in-game who share your feelings. They suspect I buy, but it’s something they don’t bring up, and I know better than to advertise. Some people in our guild sell TTG codes and Game Card codes right through Trade chat.

The GMs don’t mind a little rule braking unless you abuse it.

A ruined game economy is what brought down UO.
 
I can see both sides of the gold buying thing. I personally have never done it, but I understand why someone would. For an hour's worth of RL work, you can buy an amount of gold that would take a week of in-game time to get. Repair costs pre-BC on purple items were painfully expensive, and being perpetually broke I had to grind ogres just to cover my repair costs for the raid that night. It was grueling and I hated it, and that was probably the closest I ever came to buying gold instead of "earning" it.

SOE has created a "Live Gamer" exchange system where players can buy and sell in-game money, items, and even entire characters for EverQuest II and Vanguard SoH. I understand it was very controversial among the players at first, but it hasn't affected actual gameplay very much. People who choose not to participate don't really notice it. I would imagine there's an occasional high level noob (think EQ Ebayer) though...
 
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Binary_Digit said:
I can see both sides of the gold buying thing. I personally have never done it, but I understand why someone would. For an hour's worth of RL work, you can buy an amount of gold that would take a week of in-game time to get. Repair costs pre-BC on purple items were painfully expensive, and being perpetually broke I had to grind ogres just to cover my repair costs for the raid that night. It was grueling and I hated it, and that was probably the closest I ever came to buying gold instead of "earning" it.

SOE has created a "Live Gamer" exchange system where players can buy and sell in-game money, items, and even entire characters for EverQuest II and Vanguard SoH. I understand it was very controversial among the players at first, but it hasn't affected actual gameplay very much. People who choose not to participate don't really notice it. I would imagine there's an occasional high level noob (think EQ Ebayer) though...
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WoW has a ton of rules in place to shut those systems down.

For example: you can't transfer a toon to another account unless that account is in your name. What you can do is create an account, transfer the toon onto it, and then sell the password to that account. However, the buyer can never take that toon off that account and has to pay an extra $15 per month to access that toon.
 
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