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U.S. judge puts on hold Justice Dept. move to dismiss Michael Flynn’s guilty plea to hear outside gr

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...b4e356-949d-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

"A U.S. judge on Tuesday put on hold the Justice Department’s move to drop charges against Michael Flynn..."

"... Sullivan could call witnesses, such as Flynn, his investigators or even prosecutors, to obtain more facts about how the case was handled and why Flynn and agents took the steps they did."

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Looks like the judge wants an evidentiary hearing.
 
MauiMan said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...b4e356-949d-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

"A U.S. judge on Tuesday put on hold the Justice Department’s move to drop charges against Michael Flynn..."

"... Sullivan could call witnesses, such as Flynn, his investigators or even prosecutors, to obtain more facts about how the case was handled and why Flynn and agents took the steps they did."

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Looks like the judge wants an evidentiary hearing.
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Cool.

I'm sure Flynn, his lawyers and the DOJ have a lot of factual evidence to give him now that the left over Mueller puke is gone.
 
Mycroft said:
Cool.

I'm sure Flynn, his lawyers and the DOJ have a lot of factual evidence to give him now that the left over Mueller puke is gone.
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It will be interesting.
 
He’s doing what a judge should do. Looking at the new information he just received.
 
don't lie to the FBI and then plead guilty to lying to the FBI.
 
Don’t trust the FBI when it’s led by a corrupt Democratic administration.
 
More fun factual reminders:


The person doing the obstructing need not have committed a crime and neither does someone they may have been trying to protect from prosecution; indeed, the obstructor need not have intended to protect anyone from prosecution. The person doing the obstruction need not have succeeded in impeding the investigation.


United States v. Durham, 432 Fed. Appx. 88 (2013)

United States v. Rickie Durham – CourtListener.com

3rd Circuit vase. Police officer has a sister of a childhood friend, and this sister is dating a bad dude being investigated by the feds. Officer contacts the childhood friend to warn of coming raids and that if the boyfriend goes down so does the childhood friend's sister. The bad boyfriend also learned of this and instructed various co-conspirators.

Part of holding: That the officer's intent was simply to protect his childhood friend's sister - a person who committed no crime - but not to actually obstruct the investigation into the bad boyfriend does NOT mean he could not be convicted of obstruction of justice. As usual, they cite black latter law as part of the decision:
To prove obstruction under 18 U.S.C. § 1505, the Government must establish: "(1) that there was an agency proceeding; (2) that the defendant was aware of that proceeding; and (3) that the defendant intentionally endeavored corruptly to influence, obstruct or impede the pending proceeding." United States v. Warshak, 631 F.3d 266, 325 (6th Cir. 2010) *[**9]*(quoting United States v. Bhagat, 436 F.3d 1140, 1147 (9th Cir. 2006)); see also United States v. Quattrone, 441 F.3d 153, 174 (2d Cir. 2006).
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MauiMan said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...b4e356-949d-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

"A U.S. judge on Tuesday put on hold the Justice Department’s move to drop charges against Michael Flynn..."

"... Sullivan could call witnesses, such as Flynn, his investigators or even prosecutors, to obtain more facts about how the case was handled and why Flynn and agents took the steps they did."

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Looks like the judge wants an evidentiary hearing.
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That's fine.

If the evidence as reported exists, then IMO Judge Sullivan is likely to dismiss.

On the other hand, if he rejects the plea withdrawal, and sentences Flynn? I reiterate my prior opinion that on appeal with the support of the DOJ, it will be overturned.
 
Mycroft said:
Cool.

I'm sure Flynn, his lawyers and the DOJ have a lot of factual evidence to give him now that the left over Mueller puke is gone.
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Maybe you missed the memo, but those who know how to uphold the law are in an uproar about this including the original prosecutor who withdrew from the case. That’s why Barr told his flunkie to sign the papers.
 
Napoleon said:
Maybe you missed the memo, but those who know how to uphold the law are in an uproar about this including the original prosecutor who withdrew from the case. That’s why Barr told his flunkie to sign the papers.
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The reality is this...there is nothing to stop Flynn from telling the truth now.

It doesn't matter what the original prosecutor has to say. He's out of the picture now. And any threats he has been holding over Flynn are gone.
 
Mycroft said:
The reality is this...there is nothing to stop Flynn from telling the truth now.

It doesn't matter what the original prosecutor has to say. He's out of the picture now. And any threats he has been holding over Flynn are gone.
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The reality is that if Flynn tells the truth about what happened with Kislyak and why his former boss is going to be in trouble and now appeasing his former boss is his only way out.
 
Well I'm pleasantly surprised. Hopefully Sullivan hands these Trump toadies their asses in court. Finally someone steps up and isn't playing everything strictly by the book as Trump and his clown posse break all norms in order to carry out their corruption in the open.
 
Captain Adverse said:
That's fine.

If the evidence as reported exists, then IMO Judge Sullivan is likely to dismiss.

On the other hand, if he rejects the plea withdrawal, and sentences Flynn? I reiterate my prior opinion that on appeal with the support of the DOJ, it will be overturned.
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It’s looking like he wants a repeat of that Sanajan(sp) case out of the 9th circuit that SCOTUS just tossed 9-0. I don’t get his reasoning at all unless his plan is to just let all the Mueller people file their amici and rule based on that.
 
Atomic Kid said:
The reality is that if Flynn tells the truth about what happened with Kislyak and why his former boss is going to be in trouble and now appeasing his former boss is his only way out.
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That's not the truth he'll be talking about.

He'll be talking about the duress the Mueller pukes put him through. His attorney will be talking about the still missing exculpatory evidence that hasn't been released by the DOJ, such as the actual recording or transcript of the conversation between Flynn and Kislyak. And the DOJ will be releasing that evidence and, perhaps, talking about how the DOJ and the FBI seems to have "lost" evidence.
 
Mycroft said:
That's not the truth he'll be talking about.

He'll be talking about the duress the Mueller pukes put him through. His attorney will be talking about the still missing exculpatory evidence that hasn't been released by the DOJ, such as the actual recording or transcript of the conversation between Flynn and Kislyak. And the DOJ will be releasing that evidence and, perhaps, talking about how the DOJ and the FBI seems to have "lost" evidence.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo. You don't know that Barr's DOJ had already not complied with an order by Sullivan to release a transcript of the call? So I hope they do provide one. But I doubt they will.
 
Atomic Kid said:
:lamo :lamo :lamo. You don't know that Barr's DOJ had already not complied with an order by Sullivan to release a transcript of the call? So I hope they do provide one. But I doubt they will.
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Are you using a double negative on purpose?

In any case, it's not "Barr's DOJ" who was prosecuting Flynn. It was Mueller's pukes.
 
Mycroft said:
Are you using a double negative on purpose?

In any case, it's not "Barr's DOJ" who was prosecuting Flynn. It was Mueller's pukes.
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Barr was the attorney general when the decision was made to not comply with the order to provide a transcript.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
Barr was the attorney general when the decision was made to not comply with the order to provide a transcript.
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Don't worry...Barr will correct the corruption of the Mueller pukes.
 
Mycroft said:
Don't worry...Barr will correct the corruption of the Mueller pukes.
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Well he can start with releasing the call, right? Why wouldn't he if you're so confident that it would serve as exculpatory evidence for Flynn?
 
Helix said:
don't lie to the FBI and then plead guilty to lying to the FBI.
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The FBI show up at your office. They have hours of phone records of yours, and all your email. They question you about who you talked to and when. Think they can catch you in what they call a lie?
 
TurtleDude said:
The FBI show up at your office. They have hours of phone records of yours, and all your email. They question you about who you talked to and when. Think they can catch you in what they call a lie?
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****, you too? man.
 
TurtleDude said:
The FBI show up at your office. They have hours of phone records of yours, and all your email. They question you about who you talked to and when. Think they can catch you in what they call a lie?
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I say, "I conspired with Russian spies to do Trump's bidding; he made me do it." Problem solved.
 
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