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Video shows Ahmaud Arbery at construction site before shooting

There was no blocking or detainment. As attempt was made to stop an individual and talk to him. So stop making things up.






Wrong as usual.

I may indeed have this wrong. Did they not pursue him with guns and by that force him to stop? I ask again, if he had been armed, would he have been justified in shooting them?
 
You or me have no obligation to answer to armed thugs attempting to detain you on the street. Someone can ask you to explain and if you don't want to, that's fine. They now have the legal obligation to let you go on about your business, not follow you around, armed, then stand in your route, and again, armed, to try to force you to answer their questions.

People without badges in fact cannot act as if they do have them, and play like pretend cops and infringe on your freedom of movement. It's part of being in a free country.

I mean, Georgia law says different, but ok.
 
The video doesn't show he wasn't just out for a jog. As you know by now, there were multiple people perhaps Arbery filmed in that house over months, and guess what - nothing was ever stolen. The video shows nothing indicating an attempt to steal.

So video that shows no crime isn't relevant to these thugs attempting to stop and detain Arbery in a Gomer Pyle citizens arrest.

And I've been in houses under construction MANY times. It's actually common - people are curious, nosy, it's fine when you're white in a white neighborhood.

Yes, we know that now. Nobody knew that 3 weeks ago when I posted the op.

Yeah, I know lots of people that wander into people's houses if the doors are unlocked. Or search through unlocked cars in parking lots. It's apparently very interesting to them how people decorate their houses, what kind of towels they have in their bathrooms and what music they listen to on their commute. Never stolen so much as a napkin. I'm still recommending against it.
 
Yeah, I know lots of people that wander into people's houses if the doors are unlocked. Or search through unlocked cars in parking lots. It's apparently very interesting to them how people decorate their houses, what kind of towels they have in their bathrooms and what music they listen to on their commute. I'm still recommending against it.

I'm not sure what signs/precautions the homeowner took to guard against unauthorized entrance: seems he cared enough to put up security cameras and call the police on people when he saw them in there.

Yeah, following someone from a safe distance is probably better than confronting people, in many situations.

Well apparently I need to clarify. I'm not talking about going into homes that have doors and are occupied. This place was almost bare bones wide open with the exception of windows. This is a screen shot off a YT video that gives a good look at what the house looked like from the street. You also have the first 911 caller on the 23rd telling the operator (when she asks if he's breaking in) that no, it's all open.

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Well apparently I need to clarify. I'm not talking about going into homes that have doors and are occupied. This place was almost bare bones wide open with the exception of windows. This is a screen shot off a YT video that gives a good look at what the house looked like from the street. You also have the first 911 caller on the 23rd telling the operator (when she asks if he's breaking in) that no, it's all open.

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No one said anything about breaking in. Unlocked doors are open. Walk right in. No one is taking anything either, lots of people do it. They're snoopy. Just walk in, look around, walk out if there's no one there. Happens all the time.
 
No one said anything about breaking in. Unlocked doors are open. Walk right in. No one is taking anything either, lots of people do it. They're snoopy. Just walk in, look around, walk out if there's no one there. Happens all the time.

"Doors" is your key word here. This was an open structure with no doors. Not sure why you're going on about homes with decorations and towels. It's not relevant.
 
"Doors" is your key word here. This was an open structure with no doors. Not sure why you're going on about homes with decorations and towels. It's not relevant.

What is big about doors? Is that where you draw the line, once it has doors?
 
So then you agree there is no "whole" video we haven't viewed. Good! (At least you got the right thread) :lamo
You should really pay attention.


Again.
In addition, you also might want to find out what was actually reported about those few seconds published before you continue with your irrational postings.

How is it that you are not able to follow a discussion about a specific?
The person I was arguing with did not see a full video of all of Arbery's movements inside of the house even though they claimed they had.
That person was wrong. Period.

Now you want to be additionally wrong becasue only a portion of the video of him inside the home was released?
That's just stupid.
But hey, you are who you are.

The video from outside the home shows him enter and remain inside for about 4+ minutes

The video from inside only shows about 6 seconds.
A 4 min discrepancy and yet somehow you think that is the whole video?
That is just lame.
Especially when the news agency reporting that release said it was just a portion.

Push on with your stupid postings.
 
You understand that GBI didn't just pull charges out their backside without having evidence right? Do you also understand that G McMichael flat out lied in his statement to police? You have no issue with trying to deny Arbery was jogging (which generally people slow down their pace and begin walking at some point) or that he was up to no good in the open structure, while also thinking the McMichael's could just follow him all over the neighborhood telling him they wanted to talk to him. Common sense says if I pull up next to you and say hey I wanna ask you some questions and you keep going or you turn around and head back where you came from then that means you have no interest in engaging with me. Chasing you all over the place has gone from a simple request to talk, to an attempt to detain.
You mean just like Florida pulled charges out it ass against Zimmerman? Right? And all those supposed lies he supposedly made too right?
As I said then and have said now. Charges are only accusations. Not fact.
Learn that.
 
I may indeed have this wrong. Did they not pursue him with guns and by that force him to stop?
They chased after him in an attempt to stop and speak to him. That is not illegal.
Yes they were armed. That also does not make it illegal.
There was no "train"ing of the guns on him to get him to stop.
They did not stop him or block him and he was not stopped. He continued on and turned it into an attack.

There was no application of force involving the guns until the son was attacked.
 
What is big about doors? Is that where you draw the line, once it has doors?

You seem to be trying to compare walking into an open uninhabited structure to an actual home with people residing there. It doesn't work. None of the people that went into that structure had to open a door to walk in. That includes the man and woman, and the kids. If English was so concerned he would have secured it.
 
Since I made an error of posting this in another thread I will just re-post it where it belongs.

Looks like you just sunk your argument on your own. In an enhanced video Travis can be seen raising the shotgun and aiming it at Arbery.

So now you choose to make idiotic replies while still not paying attention to what is actually being argued. Figures.
The argument you clearly are not paying attention to is speaking of an attempt to get him to stop so they could talk to him. There was no pointing the gun in regards to that.
The gun later pointing at Arbery becasue he attacked is not relevant to the argument of trying to stop him to talk to him.

It is so sad you can not pay attention to what is being argued.
Though I do believe you are capable, so keep plugging away slugger.
 
You should really pay attention.


Again.
In addition, you also might want to find out what was actually reported about those few seconds published before you continue with your irrational postings.

How is it that you are not able to follow a discussion about a specific?
The person I was arguing with did not see a full video of all of Arbery's movements inside of the house even though they claimed they had.
That person was wrong. Period.

Now you want to be additionally wrong becasue only a portion of the video of him inside the home was released?
That's just stupid.
But hey, you are who you are.

The video from outside the home shows him enter and remain inside for about 4+ minutes

The video from inside only shows about 6 seconds.
A 4 min discrepancy and yet somehow you think that is the whole video?
That is just lame.
Especially when the news agency reporting that release said it was just a portion.

Push on with your stupid postings.

You're going in circles and making no headway. If using a video from May 9th is all you have then best of luck.
 
All this was originally and wrongly posted in another thread.
So if you have already answered to this ignore it.

They have no right or authority to try to stop anyone.
Please show everybody this law you made up.
Absent a law against said activity, a person has every right and authority to try and stop someone to talk to them.
So stop making things up.


And to Arbery, there's no difference at all between "stop" by two guys armed with guns, and "detain" him.
You do not know that and absent evidence you can not speak for Arbery or what he thought, especially as you are not a mind reader, let alone someone who speak to the dead.

He clearly did not want to be "stopped"

Which can be ascertained from his known actions of refusing to stop the first time and from his attacking instead of stopping and talking.


and the two thugs tried to force him with guns to "stop."
What a stupid reply. No evidence exists that says they used their guns to try and get him to stop


What clear avenue of 'egress' was open to him?
All avenues to the left, the right and to the rear.



Right, no reason to be concerned, just a black man in the south with a truck, a car, and three armed assholes following you and blocking your path. Anyone who didn't see that was obviously harmless is an idiot....or something.
You are making things up to believe again.
There is no evidence that he knew the two were armed to begin with. There is no evidence to suggest that there was any knowledge of the third person being armed (if he even was).
Only after the son was out and had a shotgun in his hands would he have known, and instead of taking off in another direction and at a faster pace, he chose to attack when he did not have to.


A truck doesn't block foot traffic?
Your replies are getting more and more ridiculous. No. A vehicle in it's lane does not block foot traffic were the foot traffic is supposed to be.


Sure, but for the truck in one lane, and a thug with a shotgun in the other. And he has no obligation to turn around - he's a free man, and these assholes had NO authority to impede his route.
iLOL Pointing out the avenues available is not saying he had to take them.
It is a rebuttal showing your argument of "blocked" is absurdly wrong.


He's moved from the center of the left lane to in front of the truck and was moving further right in that picture.
No he wasn't. He was being pushed back at that point.


If the thug son had stayed in the left hand lane, there's no problem. What would you do if some thug with a shotgun starts running toward you as you're passing the truck?
This is not about what I would do. This is about the evidence and it's relevance.
Trying to stop someone to talk with them is not illegal.
Attacking someone is.


Bottom line is these dumb rednecks had no authority to block his route, or detain him, or stop him for questioning.
He was not blocked and he was not detained.
And they had every right in the world to try to stop to someone to talk to them. That in and of itself is not illegal activity.


Arbery was at that time a free man and didn't have ANY obligation to listen to these guys.
No one said he did. How many times does that need to be made clear to you?



He tried to avoid them - they tried to block him.
Trying to stop someone to talk to them is not blocking.



It's on them.
It really isn't, but since the State decided to prosecute they will have to prove their case.



If you want to defend this, that's fine, but if the two Gomer Pyle's want to play cop, they need to pass the tests, and get hired and get a badge.
Irrational commentary at it's best.
 
Since I made an error of posting this in another thread I will just re-post it where it belongs.



So now you choose to make idiotic replies while still not paying attention to what is actually being argued. Figures.
The argument you clearly are not paying attention to is speaking of an attempt to get him to stop so they could talk to him. There was no pointing the gun in regards to that.
The gun later pointing at Arbery becasue he attacked is not relevant to the argument of trying to stop him to talk to him.

It is so sad you can not pay attention to what is being argued.
Though I do believe you are capable, so keep plugging away slugger.

:lamo You make this too easy. The enhanced video shows Travis raising the shotgun while he is standing on the drivers side with the door open behind him. Arbery is still jogging the direction of the truck. He hasn't even reached the tailgate yet. If a YouTuber (who is actually on the McMichael side) could slow down and zoom in, you can safely assume GBI has a much better visual. Keep plugging away! :doh
 
They chased after him in an attempt to stop and speak to him. That is not illegal.
Yes they were armed. That also does not make it illegal.
There was no "train"ing of the guns on him to get him to stop.
They did not stop him or block him and he was not stopped. He continued on and turned it into an attack.

There was no application of force involving the guns until the son was attacked.

Again, a couple of people chase after me. They are armed. They stop me in effect. Can I shoot these jerks?
 
Please show everybody this law you made up.
Absent a law against said activity, a person has every right and authority to try and stop someone to talk to them.
So stop making things up.
Sure.

O.C.G.A. 16-5-41 (2010)
16-5-41. False imprisonment

(a) A person commits the offense of false imprisonment when, in violation of the personal liberty of another, he arrests, confines, or detains such person without legal authority.

One of those thugs was charged with attempting the above, which is of course also a crime. Bottom line is the Gomer Pyle wannabes didn't have any authority to stop, question, detain, or even to force Arbery to choose another route and yet they did it repeatedly, and Arbery is dead.

And the redneck thugs have been charged with murder, so the law and those in charge of enforcing it in GA don't agree with your idiotic defenses of these morons. We'll see what happens in court.
Wrong as usual. There was no false imprisonment.
 
:lamo You make this too easy. The enhanced video shows Travis raising the shotgun while he is standing on the drivers side with the door open behind him. Arbery is still jogging the direction of the truck. He hasn't even reached the tailgate yet. If a YouTuber (who is actually on the McMichael side) could slow down and zoom in, you can safely assume GBI has a much better visual. Keep plugging away! :doh

You are imagining things.
 
You seem to be trying to compare walking into an open uninhabited structure to an actual home with people residing there. It doesn't work. None of the people that went into that structure had to open a door to walk in. That includes the man and woman, and the kids. If English was so concerned he would have secured it.

Yes yes yes, if one doesn't want people walking through their house or rifling through their car, they should lock it up. Leaving it unlocked means they want others in it. Exactly what the people that walk through other's houses say. I hear yah.

English just put up security cameras, probably to see anyone walking through his house because he likes them walking through there, and when they did he called the cops on them to go out and thank them for walking through his house. Make sense, I suppose.
 
I'll do you a favor an bring this over here.

And? iLOL Though I certainly agree this is a type of not paying attention it isn't nearly as bad as not paying attention to the the arguments being made like your replies have been.

You've already shown to just be using your opinion vs facts. Not mention you're not very savvy on the things we've learned since the arrest of the McMichael's and Williams. I mean you've gotten so desperate that you've gone as far to quote running down the street laws. Oh and your news clip video from May 9th. Hang a star on that bad boy.

I've been able to offer documents like the Autopsy, the warrants and video while you just keep rambling on with things that aren't even fact. Also known as "an opinion".

But please, do carry on. :lol:
 
Yes yes yes, if one doesn't want people walking through their house or rifling through their car, they should lock it up. Leaving it unlocked means they want others in it. Exactly what the people that walk through other's houses say. I hear yah.

English just put up security cameras, probably to see anyone walking through his house because he likes them walking through there, and when they did he called the cops on them to go out and thank them for walking through his house. Make sense, I suppose.

Okay, you're not really trying to stick to a common sense or fact thing here so, enjoy your weekend. :)
 
You're going in circles and making no headway. If using a video from May 9th is all you have then best of luck.

Showing your ignorance of what was begin discussed again aren't you. :lamo
Figures. No one thought otherwise.
 
Again, a couple of people chase after me. They are armed. They stop me in effect. Can I shoot these jerks?

Your hypothetical has no relevance to the evidence of this case.
 
Okay, you're not really trying to stick to a common sense or fact thing here so, enjoy your weekend. :)

Why do you think English installed security cameras on his property and called the cops on people in the house?
 
You've already shown to just be using your opinion vs facts.
Besides being wrong you are lying.

Not mention you're not very savvy on the things we've learned since the arrest of the McMichael's and Williams.
Wrong again.

I mean you've gotten so desperate that you've gone as far to quote running down the street laws.
:lamo
I showed the other poster is wrong and you have a problem with it.
Wow, talk about asinine.

Oh and your news clip video from May 9th.
Which proved you did not pay attention to the argument you were getting yourself involved in. Must suck to be wrong like that. Better luck next time.

I've been able to offer documents like the Autopsy, the warrants and video
You have offered nothing to me and nothign you have previously posted proves you correct in anything you have argued with me.


while you just keep rambling on with things that aren't even fact. Also known as "an opinion".
Wrong as usual.
 
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