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Unemployment surged to 14.7% in April, highest since Great Depression, as coronavirus triggered 20.5

Bullseye said:
Did you actually READ your link? It doesn't support your post.
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Did you read past the first paragraph or the part literally explaining person to person contact confirmed the literal same day Trump told everyone this was 1 person alone from China and everything was under control? Did you ignore the next 3 months of people dying too?

No Canadian on the forum is that purposely obtuse.


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Gimmesometruth said:
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I prefer more current results but please don't give us the bull**** that you care about the American deaths, this is about creating the nanny state that you need

Cases Deaths

United States 1291337 76653 5.9%

Spain 222857 26299 11.8%

Italy 215858 29958 13.9%

England 206715 30615 14.8%

France 137779 25897 18.8%

Netherlands 42093 5359 12.7%
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, my point....a point you apparently forgot.

proving my point.

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Context matters, I reject the U-3 report for claiming economic success, you don't understand how PTER employees don't support the claims of success as you touted the U-3
 
I prefer more current results
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Those are current, FFS!

but please don't give us the bull**** that you care about the American deaths, this is about creating the nanny state that you need
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Said the guy demanding this should be entirely handled at the state level.
 
Context matters, I reject the U-3 report for claiming economic success,
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The context was whether they are counted as employed, they are, you forgot where.
 
Hatuey said:
Did you read past the first paragraph or the part literally explaining person to person contact confirmed the literal same day Trump told everyone this was 1 person alone from China and everything was under control? Did you ignore the next 3 months of people dying too?

No Canadian on the forum is that purposely obtuse.


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Yeah, I did. What it really says is\

Chinese authorities are reporting no ongoing spread of this virus in the community, but they cannot rule out that some limited person-to-person spread may be occurring.
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Not quite the same thing.

Incidentally, this document is dated January 17, 2020; almost two weeks after Trump had the CDC contact China to offer assistance (they declined)
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Those are current, FFS!

Said the guy demanding this should be entirely handled at the state level.
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when has the President of the United States or any federal employee stopped by your home and made sure you were implementing social distancing? You refuse to answer the direct question, what benefits are you getting out of your liberal ideology? Is your husband an employee of the federal gov't thus being paid by the DNC?
 
Bullseye said:
Yeah, I did. What it really says is\

Not quite the same thing.
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Lmao, person to person contact was confirmed literally on THE SAME DAY the US got its first case and Trump still claimed it was all under control. We are now at 70K dead.

I already told you, if you were the chief employee safety guy and that many people died under your watch you'd be fired.

Not TV fired. Really fired.


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Gimmesometruth said:
The context was whether they are counted as employed, they are, you forgot where.
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Then post the post number where I said they weren't employed? Liberalism truly has created some very poorly educated liberals. I have always stated how the u-3 skews employment in relationship with economic results. You touted the u-3 performance and ignored the U-6. You are part of the problem not part of the solution. Liberals like you talk never address actual results. You rely on dependence to fund your social responsibility issues
 
Conservative said:
And yet all those countries taking away freedom of the citizens has worse results than ours. With freedom comes responsibilities, you seem to ignore that. Who told you and forced you into social distancing?
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Again, there are variables in populations which impact outcomes; it's no different here when you look at the disease impact in a variety of states. Your indictment of their healthcare system is just an exercise in using data without context; something you seem to not be addressing now, but often complain when others respond to you. With freedom does come responsibility, and in the nations which were able to prevent the large scale spread, the one common theme is people worked together to exercise their freedoms responsibly to help their society. Here, we have numpties claiming this is all a hoax or choosing not to act responsibly. No one forced me into social distancing; I based my decision on the information available early on and now. What you seem to propose is freedom without responsibility; i.e. "screw you guys, I do what I want" which in times of crisis, doesn't help at all.

Is it your contention that Part time jobs for economic reasons indicates strong economic performance?? Is it your contention that GDP Growth fueled by gov't spending trumps GDP growth fueled by consumer spending? Is it your contention that spending in the name of compassion doesn't create dependence? Simple yes or no answers
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I'm addressing the data you cited as an indicator of which country has better results, which was lacking context. You have yet to address any of the context required in making that comparison. Interesting that you mention GDP growth, since we're now going to get a sense of what impact Trump policies will have on the recovery; that remains to be seen. As for the "spending in the name of compassion", I've repeatedly stated that it's a misnomer that you continue to assume is what drives that kind of spending.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Again, there are variables in populations which impact outcomes; it's no different here when you look at the disease impact in a variety of states. Your indictment of their healthcare system is just an exercise in using data without context; something you seem to not be addressing now, but often complain when others respond to you. With freedom does come responsibility, and in the nations which were able to prevent the large scale spread, the one common theme is people worked together to exercise their freedoms responsibly to help their society. Here, we have numpties claiming this is all a hoax or choosing not to act responsibly. No one forced me into social distancing; I based my decision on the information available early on and now. What you seem to propose is freedom without responsibility; i.e. "screw you guys, I do what I want" which in times of crisis, doesn't help at all.



I'm addressing the data you cited as an indicator of which country has better results, which was lacking context. You have yet to address any of the context required in making that comparison. Interesting that you mention GDP growth, since we're now going to get a sense of what impact Trump policies will have on the recovery; that remains to be seen. As for the "spending in the name of compassion", I've repeatedly stated that it's a misnomer that you continue to assume is what drives that kind of spending.
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No, what I propose is FREEDOM WITH RESPONSIBILITY, your problem is you want federal responsibility for your own personal responsibility issues. Since when does context matter to you?
 
Conservative said:
when has the President of the United States or any federal employee stopped by your home and made sure you were implementing social distancing?
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The context is that states are not able to handle the double whammy of dealing with a pandemic and a depression. If, as you want, no help is coming from a federal govt, far more deaths will occur. So don't even try to argue you care more about human life.


You refuse to answer the direct question, what benefits are you getting out of your liberal ideology? Is your husband an employee of the federal gov't thus being paid by the DNC?
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No, I'm not married to a man. Is your husband an employee of the federal gov't?
 
Conservative said:
I am sure a Biden presidency along with Pelosi and Schumer will give you the nanny state that you so badly need to tell you exactly what to do during a pandemic. They will fuel your ego by making you feel better about all their spending in the name of compassion hoping you become one of those people dependent and feeding the multi millionaire public servants
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You got us, Con. It's all about controlling the behavior of everyone and setting up a world government run by the U.N. It's not at all about protecting millions of Americans from a deadly virus. It's about the "nanny state" and trying to get everyone hooked on free government cheese. How did you figure it out so quickly?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The context is that states are not able to handle the double whammy of dealing with a pandemic and a depression. If, as you want, no help is coming from a federal govt, far more deaths will occur. So don't even try to argue you care more about human life.


No, I'm not married to a man. Is your husband an employee of the federal gov't?
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What depression? Not getting your normal payment from people who are dependent on liberal social programs? You aren't married to a man? Just a radical female uneducated on economic and civics matters, not surprising
 
Conservative said:
No, what I propose is FREEDOM WITH RESPONSIBILITY, your problem is you want federal responsibility for your own personal responsibility issues.
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Be specific. So what does "freedom with responsibility" mean to you in this particular crisis?

Since when does context matter to you?
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Context always matters to me; I don't selectively use it the way you do. Like most of your arguments, you only advocate for context when it suits you, only to abandon them it doesn't support your point.
 
Conservative said:
No, what I propose is FREEDOM WITH RESPONSIBILITY, your problem is you want federal responsibility for your own personal responsibility issues. Since when does context matter to you?
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The above might make sense, if the mask that your wear is to protect you. But, it's not. Your mask is to protect me from the virus you may be exhaling. My mask is to protect your from my possible infection.

So, when you decide you don't want to be responsible and not wear a mask, you are endangering everyone around you. To paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., "Your freedom and liberty to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."
 
Gimmesometruth said:
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You continue to post as an angry feminist who cannot admit being wrong, part time for economic reason employees ARE EMPLOYED, never stated they weren't, the point remains and you continue to ignore and refuse to admit you are wrong the U-3 doesn't indicate economic policy successes which you touted and the left touted over and over again. The Part time for economic reason employees want full time jobs that the Obama economy didn't create, 8-9 million of them during his first term and a number that never got back to pre recession levels under Obama. actual results make you look like a liar and foolish
 
ElChupacabra said:
Be specific. So what does "freedom with responsibility" mean to you in this particular crisis?



Context always matters to me; I don't selectively use it the way you do. Like most of your arguments, you only advocate for context when it suits you, only to abandon them it doesn't support your point.
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It means that you have the freedom to make mistakes and the responsibility for accepting those mistakes not blaming others. You tell me where my context is wrong and if proven wrong I am at least mature enough to admit it
 
MTAtech said:
The above might make sense, if the mask that your wear is to protect you. But, it's not. Your mask is to protect me from the virus you may be exhaling. My mask is to protect your from my possible infection.

So, when you decide you don't want to be responsible and not wear a mask, you are endangering everyone around you. To paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."
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Yep. It's really not that hard; especially if you're interested in making it safer to start reopening economies. I just think it's a shame that there needs to be an ideological divide when it comes to a practical matter.
 
Conservative said:
What depression?
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U3, cited by YOU...14.7%, U6, cited by me...22.8%, quote from you :"highest since Great Depression". GDP growth, currently...NEGATIVE 34.9%

Surpasses Great Depression levels.
 
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Conservative said:
It means that you have the freedom to make mistakes and the responsibility for accepting those mistakes not blaming others.
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Under most circumstances I don't think many will disagree with this statement. There are times, however, where the margins for mistakes are pretty slim and it's more prudent to act in unison. Your statement works best in the many scenarios where the mistakes one makes only impacts the individual. At the societal level, we tend to take a harsher view on those who make mistakes that endanger others.

You tell me where my context is wrong and if proven wrong I am at least mature enough to admit it
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What I had mentioned several times now is the lack of context you provided when you cited the death rate figures as some kind of victory lap for the US, when there are a variables that don't make it an apples to apples comparison. I know Trump used them to do exactly that, which was pretty foolish and was just more of him trying to make lemons out of lemonade in the worst way possible. You cited those figures as if they're an indictment of government healthcare systems versus our private one; which those figures don't address at all.
 
Imagine if you said only 2 people would die if there were to be an accident at a power plant, and then 30 employees out 20,000 were killed in an accident.

You'd be fired.

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Gimmesometruth said:
U3, cited by YOU...14.7%, U6, cited by me...22.8%, quote from you :"highest since Great Depression". GDP growth, currently...NEGATIVE 34.9%

Surpasses Great Depression levels.
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Yes, pandemic results but of course the previous results didn't resonate, not surprising as gloom and doom is promoted by people who cannot compete in a private sector economy and have an entitlement mentality. You really do need the nanny state, don't you? Maybe a man in your life would help you overcome this insecurity

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs.
Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office
 
ElChupacabra said:
Under most circumstances I don't think many will disagree with this statement. There are times, however, where the margins for mistakes are pretty slim and it's more prudent to act in unison. Your statement works best in the many scenarios where the mistakes one makes only impacts the individual. At the societal level, we tend to take a harsher view on those who make mistakes that endanger others.



What I had mentioned several times now is the lack of context you provided when you cited the death rate figures as some kind of victory lap for the US, when there are a variables that don't make it an apples to apples comparison. I know Trump used them to do exactly that, which was pretty foolish and was just more of him trying to make lemons out of lemonade in the worst way possible. You cited those figures as if they're an indictment of government healthcare systems versus our private one; which those figures don't address at all.
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Under any circumstance, You believe our Founders had the liberal entitlement mentality so many have today? Our founders believed in neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat

The context in the chart I showed is the same for each country, cases, active and deaths. What do you want me to count? Tried infection rate but that didn't resonate
 
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