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DOJ Drops Criminal Case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn

Tangmo said:
Michael Flynn lied right up Pence's nose.

It has nothing to do with FDR & Truman much less the Manhattan Project.

The president you're busy apologizing for is Trump.
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I'm not apologizing for anyone. That sort of lie is the basis of the "need to know" principle.
 
Jack Hays said:
National Security Advisors have lied to Vice Presidents since the dawn of time. Why? Because the VP is often someone not in the national security loop. When Harry Truman succeeded FDR he was only then briefed on the Manhattan Project. There was never any possibility of Russian blackmail of Flynn. Dershowitz's argument is crushing.
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Not comprable, Jack. The Manhattan and Trinity projects were the US’s most top secret projects of the war. Very few people in the entire country knew of both their existence, scope and purpose were. The Vice President wasn’t made a statutory member of the NSC until 1948 I believe. So it wasn’t that they lied to Truman. They just didn’t inform of those projects until he assumed the Presidency upon the death of FDR. Until then they didn’t believe he had a need to know. Truman didn’t think that was very prudent and he pushed Congress to pass a bill adding the Vice President to NSC.

Vice President Pence got nationally televised Sunday News program and said something that the FBI and the Russians knew not to be true. And actually I suspect that Vice President knew that it wasn’t true as well as he was saying it. So Flynn had to take one for the team.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Not comprable, Jack. The Manhattan and Trinity projects were the US’s most top secret projects of the war. Very few people in the entire country knew of both their existence, scope and purpose were. The Vice President wasn’t made a statutory member of the NSC until 1948 I believe. So it wasn’t that they lied to Truman. They just didn’t inform of those projects until he assumed the Presidency upon the death of FDR. Until then they didn’t believe he had a need to know. Truman didn’t think that was very prudent and he pushed Congress to pass a bill adding the Vice President to NSC.

Vice President Pence got nationally televised Sunday News program and said something that the FBI and the Russians knew not to be true. And actually I suspect that Vice President knew that it wasn’t true as well as he was saying it. So Flynn had to take one for the team.
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This sort of "lie" is the foundation of the "need to know" principle.
 
haymarket said:
The fact is Bill Barr is a national disgrace.
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How would you know if you never read what he approved in the motion.
You can't honestly comment on something you haven't read.
Willing or not, you've made yourself a victim of blind partisanship.
 
Tahuyaman said:
Jeebus. Instead of saying "you misunderstood my position" you went sideways.
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You are right. Sorry, I never saw you post before, and didn't know where you were coming from. I thought you were one on the idiot liberals on here.
 
Tahuyaman said:
Now that tells me that you actually did commit the crime you were accused of and got lucky. People get away with crap all the time because someone screws up during an investigative phase.


If you spent time in jail, you must have been arrested and arraigned shortly after your arrest. The arraignment judge must have agreed that there was probable cause.
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Yes because he didn't know it was an illegal search and seizure. It never made it to court because there's this little thing called a warrant which the po-po seemed to have forgotten to acquire one because they themselves said they didn't have enough evidence to get one so they just busted into my house. And just so we're straight, everything is legal, until you get caught.
 
Jay59 said:
Take that one step further and you have something. Suppose you were for-real innocent and it went down the same way. That's Flynn.
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Then why did he enter a guilty plea?
 
bongsaway said:
Yes because he didn't know it was an illegal search and seizure. It never made it to court because there's this little thing called a warrant which the po-po seemed to have forgotten to acquire one because they themselves said they didn't have enough evidence to get one so they just busted into my house. And just so we're straight, everything is legal, until you get caught.
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Again it sounds like you got luck and hot away with whatever criminal act yiu were charged with.
 
Tahuyaman said:
Again it sounds like you got luck and hot away with whatever criminal act yiu were charged with.
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I don't call a month in jail and paying over fifteen grand lucky. Not to mention losing my job.
 
Opinion | Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth. - The New York Times

Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

The F.B.I.’s interview of Mr. Flynn was constitutional, lawful and for a legitimate counterintelligence purpose.

By Mary B. McCord

Ms. McCord was an acting assistant attorney general for national security at the Justice Department from 2016 to 2017

But the report of my interview is no support for Mr. Barr’s dismissal of the Flynn case. It does not suggest that the F.B.I. had no counterintelligence reason for investigating Mr. Flynn. It does not suggest that the F.B.I.’s interview of Mr. Flynn — which led to the false-statements charge — was unlawful or unjustified. It does not support that Mr. Flynn’s false statements were not material. And it does not support the Justice Department’s assertion that the continued prosecution of the case against Mr. Flynn, who pleaded guilty to knowingly making material false statements to the FBI, “would not serve the interests of justice.” I can explain why, relying entirely on documents the government has filed in court or released publicly.

Notably, Mr. Barr’s motion to dismiss does not argue that the F.B.I. violated the Constitution or statutory law when agents interviewed Mr. Flynn about his calls with Mr. Kislyak. It doesn’t claim that they violated his Fifth Amendment rights by coercively questioning him when he wasn’t free to leave. Nor does the motion claim that the interview was the fruit of a search or seizure that violated the Fourth Amendment. Any of these might have justified moving to dismiss the case. But by the government’s own account, the interview with Mr. Flynn was voluntary, arranged in advance and took place in Mr. Flynn’s own office.
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More at link.

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The Republicans and Trump's fascist supporters are going to lie, cheat, and steal to remain in power. Be careful.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Goes to show a pattern of behavior on the part of Mueller as a prosecutor.
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Great idea. Take 100 different cases and was the prosecutor and show us these so called "patterns of behavior". You would need that man to adequately demonstrate a pattern and not just two random cases with something in common. So lets see it.
 
smallvoice said:
A dimocrap who doesn't know what is unethical? Color me surprised, not.
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You seem to be the one making claims about something that was unethical but have not the foggiest idea how to prove it. Figures. :doh:roll:
 
bubbabgone said:
How would you know if you never read what he approved in the motion.
You can't honestly comment on something you haven't read.
Willing or not, you've made yourself a victim of blind partisanship.
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That is where your responsibility comes into the picture. Feel free to quote from it and then present your analysis. I do NOT have any obligation to do your work for you. So let us see it.
 
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