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Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

Kayleigh Katz said:
I dunno. What are turtles evolving toward? How about giraffes? If you understand the nature of evolution this isn't a hard concept.
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You seem to think homosexuality is progress/evolution is progress towards something -- so, what?

I mean, how can you think the 'progress' is 'good' if you dont have any idea where it is going?
 
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giggster11 said:
You speak for all parents? I know plenty of people who are proud of their children that are gay.
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Show them. You are talking by your own.

I'm about to become a parent and if my child/ren are gay then I won't have a care in the world that they are other than there are people like you out there who seem them as bad people.
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Check with your spouse before you keep writing nonsenses.

I don't think we have to worry about the lack of human beings in the world due to the "proliferation" of homosexuals. 6 billion and growing seems more of a scourge on this planet than homosexuality.
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Homosexuality is not a solution for a growing human population but an illegal drug prescribed by drug mafias to create deformed and ignorant societies easy to be manipulated. You are a good specimen of how good they work and how bad is their influence.

Homosexuality doesn't go against nature. A number of species practice it. Argue against that why don't you? Calling it a disease is just plain ignorance which is something you seem to have and can't help either.
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We must identify and catalogue the deseases with plain definitions. By the way, we humans are different than the rest of species by our reasoning, we cannot act in base of our instincts alone like the beasts do. Besides, there is not a single example of beasts having anal sexual intercourse, only humans do such perversion which is against the body's integrity.

Even so, if you want to argue that the beasts also show homosexual behaviours, please tell me which one of the beasts you want to be compared with.

The CA Supreme Court found that same sex marriage is a Constitutional right. It's not a right that was made up. It's always been there, just not practiced. That's why states had to come up with laws to ban same sex marriage.
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Oh yeah? The Constitution was made by "the people" not by the judges, their decision is void because they have no power to change the Constitution, and by votes -a constitutional right- gay marriage is not legally allowed. Period.
 
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Goobieman said:
You seem to think homosexuality is progress/evolution is progress towards something -- so, what?

I mean, how can you think the 'progress' is 'good' if you dont have any idea where it is going?
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No, YOU seem to think it MUST be TOWARD something. I don't, I understand how evolution works. I didn't say I thought it was "good" I said that "good" is subjective and we probably wouldn't agree on any given definition of "good".
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
No, YOU seem to think it MUST be TOWARD something. I don't, I understand how evolution works. I didn't say I thought it was "good" I said that "good" is subjective and we probably wouldn't agree on any given definition of "good".
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The how do you know it is a cultural progression rather than a cultural regression?
 
Goobieman said:
YOU called it progress. How do you know its not regress?
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Do you read everything I write or just whatever selective little piece you can reply to in order to have something to "call me on"?

I've answered this. Scroll back, I'll not answer the same things over and over.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
I've answered this. Scroll back, I'll not answer the same things over and over.
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All I've seen is you argue that 'you dont know where it s going'.
But, you -still- choose to use the word 'progress'.

The term you choose to use, progress, carries a positive connotation, as in 'positive change'.

How can you use that word when you admit you cannot tell if it as acutally a regression?
 
Goobieman said:
All I've seen is you argue that 'you dont know where it s going'.
But, you -still- choose to use the word 'progress'.

The term you choose to use, progress, carries a positive connotation, as in 'positive change'.

How can you use that word when you admit you cannot tell if it as acutally a regression?
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I already said I think it's cyclic. And I can't help what connotations you want to apply to words. You're perfectly free to choose any terms you feel are more descriptive.

And if I do happen to use a word in a positive way where gay sex is concerned maybe it's because I enjoy it. :mrgreen:
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
I already said I think it's cyclic. And I can't help what connotations you want to apply to words. You're perfectly free to choose any terms you feel are more descriptive.
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So, you see it progress (rather than regress), even though you have no idea where it is leading.

Sounds like a statement based on a preconception rather than any supportable rationale.
 
conquer said:
Show them. You are talking by your own.



Check with your spouse before you keep writing nonsenses.



Homosexuality is not a solution for a growing human population but an illegal drug prescribed by drug mafias to create deformed and ignorant societies easy to be manipulated. You are a good specimen of how good they work and how bad is their influence.



We must identify and catalogue the deseases with plain definitions. By the way, we humans are different than the rest of species by our reasoning, we cannot act in base of our instincts alone like the beasts do. Besides, there is not a single example of beasts having anal sexual intercourse, only humans do such perversion which is against the body's integrity.

Even so, if you want to argue that the beasts also show homosexual behaviours, please tell me which one of the beasts you want to be compared with.



Oh yeah? The Constitution was made by "the people" not by the judges, their decision is void because they have no power to change the Constitution, and by votes -a constitutional right- gay marriage is not legally allowed. Period.
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Dude... you need to do some more research, seriously. Yes, anal sex occurs in animals other than humans. Hell, dolphins have sex with one anothers BLOWHOLE for christ's sake.
 
UtahBill said:
not sure you meant it as it sounds, in my view, acceptance is the goal.
Which is not the same as tolerance. So far, tolerance has been growing, and it will take a long time for actual acceptance. In the mean time, the extemists on both sides are doing their best to impede progress.
Disney Dude and his ilk likes to call people haters, like that is going to make any progess.
The religious right like to point out the "sins" of others while denying their own sin of intolerance. They are not the least bit reluctant to cast stones....
Extreme views held by "my way or the highway" mentalities rarely make any kind of progress.
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I don't believe it does any good to turn a blind's eye to hatred and pretend that discrimination is not based anything other than hatred and fear.

The bottom line is the anyone who would deny civil rights to another human being, be it based on skin color, or gender, or sexual orientation, does not because for whatever reason they believe that that person is not entitled to the same rights as everyone else. I'm sorry....but that is bigotry.

No one on the side of tolerance is asking for people to give up their own personal views, moral and convictions. We are simply asking them to allow others to have theirs as well.
 
disneydude said:
I don't believe it does any good to turn a blind's eye to hatred and pretend that discrimination is not based anything other than hatred and fear.
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Can you show this to be true?
 
Goobieman said:
So, you see it progress (rather than regress), even though you have no idea where it is leading.

Sounds like a statement based on a preconception rather than any supportable rationale.
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So... if you go somewhere, you progress. Does it matter where you go? If you go somewhere you've already been would you be regressing?

But whatever, I don't see the need to argue semantics. I think I've already made it abundantly clear that I support gay marriage and I enjoy gay sex. Do you think you're going to somehow trick me into admitting it? I'm already on record for supporting it. :roll:

Maybe you need to just accept a difference of opinion... ;)
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
Maybe you need to just accept a difference of opinion... ;)
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I'm not questioning your opion, I'm trying to understand it.
You see it a progress, rather than regress. You cannot say why, since you dont know where the movement leads. This makes me wonder how you can call is progress.
 
disneydude said:
Why? So you can then do the GoobieShuffle. No thanks.....I'm onto your little Stinger games.
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So, you admit that you cannot show your statement to be true -- and yet, you will continue to state that it is.
Hmm.
What word describes people that hold an unsubstantiated position that they refuse to reconsider?
 
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Goobieman said:
I'm not questioning your opion, I'm trying to understand it.
You see it a progress, rather than regress. You cannot say why, since you dont know where the movement leads. This makes me wonder how you can call is progress.
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Lots of people wasted a lot of time trying to understand yours yesterday. Suck it, Goob. :mrgreen:
 
Goobieman said:
S, You admit that you cannot show your statement to be true -- and yet, you will continue to state that it is.
Hmm.
What word describes people that hold an unsubstantiated position that they refuse to reconsider?
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Like I said Goobie......I'm not going to engage you in your Stinger-esque games. There are far too many good debates on the board than engage someone who engages in obtuse word games and then shuffles off when their back is to the wall. I've seen your history well too clear here.......buh bye:2wave:
 
Bottom line is the people that have a difference of opinion from those on the left are not homophones or bigots and for the left wingers to say they are only hurts their cause and the people that went into those churches and disrupted the services should be put away for a long time..........
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
Lots of people wasted a lot of time trying to understand yours yesterday. Suck it, Goob. :mrgreen:
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Well, if you dont want to explain your posiiton, thatt's fine.

I do, however, believe that, given that you admit that you have no ides where the 'progress' is going, and therefore cannot with any authority say that is it not actually a regression, your position is based on your preconceptions rather than any sort of supportable conclusion.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bottom line is the people that have a difference of opinion from those on the left are not homophones or bigots...
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You didnt get the memo?
The -only- reason anyone would disagree with the left is that they are homophobes and/or bigots.
Just ask them -- they'll tell you.
 
Goobieman said:
Well, if you dont want to explain your posiiton, thatt's fine.

I do, however, believe that, given that you admit that you have no ides where the 'progress' is going, and therefore cannot with any authority say that is it not actually a regression, your position is based on your preconceptions rather than any sort of supportable conclusion.
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Why should she explain herself to you after your actions yesterday?
 
disneydude said:
Like I said Goobie......I'm not going to engage you in your Stinger-esque games...
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... because you know there's no way you can prove your statement.
Yes. I know.
 
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