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Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

We should have a ban on homophobic marriage, to stop them from trying to teach our children that homophobia is an acceptable lifestyle. Homophobes don't care about getting married because they love someone anyway...they just want the right to get married so that they can shove their lifestyle down everyone else's throat. :lol:

I think that heterophobes are demanding too much. They don't want to go to the psychologist to be under therapy and become straight persons. Too bad...:shock:
 
I think that heterophobes are demanding too much. They don't want to go to the psychologist to be under therapy and become straight persons. Too bad...:shock:
Has anyone ever been convinced into being gay or straight or anything other than what thy just feel is right?
 
I'm not fighting for equality, but women's equality.

Are you absolutely SURE you aren't in favor of gay marriage? Because you really seem like a man-hating butch dyke. Just sayin'... :lol:
 
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I'm not fighting for equality, but women's equality.

So basically you're not fighting for equality at all? How oxymoronic and contradictory can you get?

You're either for equality or you're not.
 
Homophilia belongs to the same cataloguing of necrophilia, [/quote[

False. Necrophilia involves a person who can't consent. Gay relationships don't.



False. Zoophilia involves a creature that can't consent. Gay relationships don't.



And again...false. Incest is most often committed as a crime against children, who by virtue of their rage, cannot consent.

The point is that all those sexual behaviours belong to the same cataloguing, with or without consent. Plus, incest not necessarily implies rape, thjere are brothers and sisters having sex without being children but adults consenting such kind of relationship.

So if the above situations all involve non-consent and garm and gay relationships do not, what's your basis, besides hatred and a desire to smear consenting adults who desire to live their lives in happiness, causing no one any harm, for equating them?

No harm? Sure, people who commit incest also cause no harm to others, people who commit bigamy do not harm others as well...but even when the parts involved consent to such kind of rel;ationship, such actions are illegal and inmoral.

False, and on the whole, hateful equivocation with no logical basis.

Why do you hide behind the word "hateful" every time somebody tells you that homosexuality is a negative behaviour? Don't play the victim here, nobody buys that silly strategic anymore.

Let me ask you something conqueror. How does allowing gay couples to live out their lives in happiness hurt you? How does allowing a gay man to receive care on his partner's health insurance hurt you? How does a child being raised by two able and loving parents who just happen to be the same gender hurt you?

Such happunes is not happines at all. For example, show me here a parent of a gay individual saying: "I'm proud that my son is gay". :lol:

You can hear that parents, family members and friends say "I understand him" but they never ever say that "they are proud" that the dude is gay. The only one who feels such kind of "pride" is the gay individual himself and his group of gays.

So, instead of pride, a gay individual brings shame and sadness to his family. So, don't tell me that gays harm nobody, such is not true, a family is hurt everytime a member of it becomes gay.

Now well, being gay is against the species, and we must protect our species, and for this reason children must be protected from gays so gays won't spread such a negative influence on them.

That kind of perversion in gays that you call "love" is not what the purpose of nature is about. I feel sorry for the children raised by gay couples, they live in a world different than others because society do not accept gays as some people think it does. For example you call gay to a straight man and he will feel offended, and the reason is because gays is mostly related to low moral and a wrong orientation.

Take note that straight people is "forced" to tolerate gays by law, but such don't apply as a voluntary step. You already have witnessed that gay marriage didn't pass in any state where it was in the ballot. You can witness that society says "no" to such marriage. Are you going to call "bigots" to the majorities because the majorities don't accept such kind of marriage?

Come on...
 
I think that heterophobes are demanding too much. They don't want to go to the psychologist to be under therapy and become straight persons. Too bad...:shock:
Can you be convinced to be gay?
 
It depends on how far one is willing to go to 'convince' them.
 
It depends on how far one is willing to go to 'convince' them.
I'm not asking about them, I'm asking about you.
You're telling me that you can be convinced to be gay?
 
It will be because those that wanted to get out of the minority vote? What does that mean?

Historically Whites have always been the most supportive of the homosexual lifestyle with Blacks being the most unaccepting. The poll numbers are not surprise.

This is one issue that is not ethnic minority vs majority. It's those that believe we should live under a theocracy and those that don't.

I do think that characterising millenia's of tradition on marriage as "theocracy" is a bit hysterical no matter what you think of gay marriage.
 
The point is that all those sexual behaviours belong to the same cataloguing,

No, they don't. In what way?

Such happunes is not happines at all.

Gay MEANS 'happy' :doh

For example, show me here a parent of a gay individual saying: "I'm proud that my son is gay". :lol:

You can hear that parents, family members and friends say "I understand him" but they never ever say that "they are proud" that the dude is gay. The only one who feels such kind of "pride" is the gay individual himself and his group of gays.

Wat?
Gay Resource Site - A Proud mother's tribute To her Gay Son

Now well, being gay is against the species,

Being sterile is against the species too then? Or simply being someone who simply doesn't want to have kids?

Truth is, we need MORE gay people and MORE sterile people right now because our population is growing beyond Earth's threshhold or will be very soon at this rate. If it weren't for them who knows how many more millions of people would exist right now and much more subsequent poverty would have been created...

and we must protect our species,

Dude look at China and tell me our species needs to be protected?

For example you call gay to a straight man and he will feel offended, and the reason is because gays is mostly related to low moral and a wrong orientation.

No he will feel insulted because he is either insecure with his own sexuallity or doesn't understand the word 'gay' in a sexual context at all. but neither of those has anything to do with actual gay people.

Take note that straight people is "forced" to tolerate gays by law, but such don't apply as a voluntary step. You already have witnessed that gay marriage didn't pass in any state where it was in the ballot. You can witness that society says "no" to such marriage. Are you going to call "bigots" to the majorities because the majorities don't accept such kind of marriage?Come on...

YES! I will, ignorant, homophobic intolerant masses, absolutely.

You know a time existed when the vast majority didn't believe blacks were even humans or deserving of rights and you know what? They were intolerant bigots none-the-less.

History will view anti-gay, conservative homophobes in the same light it holds people who were against any human right issue, like woman being able to vote, blacks being free, AS IGNORANT BIGOTS.
 
I explored all of them.

Do you know of a branch that allows women to do all the same jobs as men? If so, do you not think that being limited to a branch is a limitation of choice?

Yeah its called the U.S. Navy..........
 
Yeah its called the U.S. Navy..........

Yeah but like rivrrat said, that still limits the choice of women to one branch when it should be all of them.
 
So basically you're not fighting for equality at all? How oxymoronic and contradictory can you get?

You're either for equality or you're not.
I don't understand why you're being this way. It's really obvious what she means. I think she's getting treated pretty badly around here because of the extreme nature of some of her views and it really doesn't seem fair to me.
 
Some more exit poll info on SFgate:
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Exit polls show that religious views had a profound effect on the result, spanning racial lines:

-- 84 percent of those who attend church weekly voted yes.

-- 81 percent of white evangelicals voted yes.

-- 65 percent of white Protestants voted yes.

-- 64 percent of Catholics voted yes. Catholics accounted for 30 percent of all voters.

Catholic support increased from 44 percent to 64 percent - a jump that accounted for 6 percent of the total California electorate and equivalent to the state's entire African American population combined. The shift in Catholics alone more than accounted for Prop. 8's 5 percent margin of victory.
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Thus we Christians made this all possible thankyou and will take the credit. It was all a matter of churches actually bringing the matter up to parishioners and reminding them what the Bible teaches.

and 70% of blacks voted yes....why aren't the gay crowds picketing the churches in the black communities???.
 
Some more exit poll info on SFgate:
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Exit polls show that religious views had a profound effect on the result, spanning racial lines:

-- 84 percent of those who attend church weekly voted yes.

-- 81 percent of white evangelicals voted yes.

-- 65 percent of white Protestants voted yes.

-- 64 percent of Catholics voted yes. Catholics accounted for 30 percent of all voters.

Catholic support increased from 44 percent to 64 percent - a jump that accounted for 6 percent of the total California electorate and equivalent to the state's entire African American population combined. The shift in Catholics alone more than accounted for Prop. 8's 5 percent margin of victory.
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Thus we Christians made this all possible thankyou and will take the credit. It was all a matter of churches actually bringing the matter up to parishioners and reminding them what the Bible teaches.
Allow me to teach you the golden rule of the bible then

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." - Mathew 7:12

or more simply

"Do to others as you would have them do to you."
- Luke 6:31
 
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Allow me to teach you the golden rule of the bible then
Do to others as you would have them do to you. - Luke 6:31
Ah... one of those 'quote the bible when it is convenient to do so' posts.
 
Allow me to teach you the golden rule of the bible then

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." - Mathew 7:12

or more simply

"Do to others as you would have them do to you."
- Luke 6:31

I am familiar with the rule, it existed before the bible did....
There is also the rule as given by Christ himself, render unto Caesar, meaning we are subject to rulers and laws.
Again, I would have voted against it, had I been a citizen of CA, but the fact that the majority of citizens are dead set against it remains. It is possible that the supreme court, of CA, will overturn the results, or the SCOTUS may someday override all the states. But not getting your way in a vote doesn't mean you get to call the winners bigoted, or haters, or protest against the groups who oppose you. the LDS are only about 2% of CA, so their votes and their financial contributions are only a small part of the opposition. Of course the gay communities, just like the mainstream "christians", will vent toward whomever it is permissible to hate. It is no longer acceptable to openly hate blacks, browns, jews and catholics, but the mormons are still fair game. Guess they have to take their turn as targets for the hatred of bigots, just like the gays will have to take their turn getting accepted like the blacks, browns, jews and catholics.
 
I am familiar with the rule, it existed before the bible did....
There is also the rule as given by Christ himself, render unto Caesar, meaning we are subject to rulers and laws.
Again, I would have voted against it, had I been a citizen of CA, but the fact that the majority of citizens are dead set against it remains. It is possible that the supreme court, of CA, will overturn the results, or the SCOTUS may someday override all the states. But not getting your way in a vote doesn't mean you get to call the winners bigoted, or haters, or protest against the groups who oppose you. the LDS are only about 2% of CA, so their votes and their financial contributions are only a small part of the opposition. Of course the gay communities, just like the mainstream "christians", will vent toward whomever it is permissible to hate. It is no longer acceptable to openly hate blacks, browns, jews and catholics, but the mormons are still fair game. Guess they have to take their turn as targets for the hatred of bigots, just like the gays will have to take their turn getting accepted like the blacks, browns, jews and catholics.
Those whom voted in favor are homophobes. They think that gay marriage is going to somehow impede on their lives - how?
There is no rational assessment that gay marriage would interfere or impede on the lives of anyone else except their own - precisely what they wish to do.
The courts had already demonstrated that the whole thing was unconstitutional. And in revocation of their right, the homophobic community votes against gays.
In particular that the black community voted in favor of this measure adds to the utter irony. It's almost as if, yeah we were treated unfairly and it was wrong, but it's fine to treat you with bigoted inequality of separate but equal - hypocrites.
 
Those whom voted in favor are homophobes. They think that gay marriage is going to somehow impede on their lives - how?
There is no rational assessment that gay marriage would interfere or impede on the lives of anyone else except their own - precisely what they wish to do.
The courts had already demonstrated that the whole thing was unconstitutional. And in revocation of their right, the homophobic community votes against gays.
In particular that the black community voted in favor of this measure adds to the utter irony. It's almost as if, yeah we were treated unfairly and it was wrong, but it's fine to treat you with bigoted inequality of separate but equal - hypocrites.

people are peculiar....they vote emotionally, not logically.
and if they don't get their way, they react emotionally as well..
 
people are peculiar....they vote emotionally, not logically.
and if they don't get their way, they react emotionally as well..
Everyone that had ever stood for equal rights before, during and after the civil rights movement and voted for this proposition ought to be ashamed - those who had not voted ought be ashamed of these people.
I don't care what your race, your faith, age or sex is, if you supported this measure to revoke their rights you are a homophobic bigot.
 
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Everyone that had ever stood for equal rights before, during and after the civil rights movement and voted for this proposition ought to be ashamed - those who had not voted ought be ashamed of these people.
I don't care what your race, your faith, age or sex is, if you supported this measure to revoke their rights you are a homophobic bigot.

and if you are out vandalizing LDS churches because the majority of the voters didn't let you have your way, what kind of bigot is that???
 
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