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Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

"Similarly Situated" means nothing basically.

LOL. Really?

similarly situated legal definition of similarly situated. similarly situated synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

similarly situated adj. with the same problems and circumstances, referring to the people represented by a plaintiff in a "class action," brought for the benefit of the party filing the suit as well as all those "similarly situated." To be similarly situated, the defendants, basic facts, and legal issues must be the same, and separate lawsuits would be impractical or burdensome

Pretty clear to me. The rest of your banter has nothing to do with Equal Protection whatsoever.
 
Boy... somone doesnt behave the way you think they should and you get -all- pissy.

Ya, I guess I just get pissy about ignorant idiots denying others their civil rights. Carry on, Governor Wallace. Sorry to speak up.

Goobieman said:
You need to blame the minorities -- specifically the blacks, hispanics and Asians - who supported this FAR more than the whites.

"Blame the minorities"? First of all, blacks were the only minority that voted for it at a significantly higher proportion than anyone else. And it has nothing to do with the color of their skin, you racist piece of ****. There were plenty of white rednecks in Bakersfield and Fresno who undoubtedly voted for this too.

It has to do with education and church attendance, not race. Big surprise: the well-educated rationalists (who happened to be predominantly white and Asian) were the least likely to support it, whereas the uneducated Jesus Freaks were the most likely to support it.

Goobieman said:
You also need to blame those that worked so hard to get out the minoirity vote.

You need to stop your shameful race-baiting. But thanks for showing the true colors of the pro-homophobia movement; it's really no different than the pro-segregation movement.
 
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Not about scwewing over gay people. Its about my Christian religion and morals. I actually believe in an almighty entity called God. Not something many in your camp understandably seem to relate to. It requires faith and with it, I hope for salvation in eternity instead suffering the fate of mortal death. Despite the fact scientific reality makes that seem unbelievable. I relie on laws my God has provided we followers in his Bible to reach that goal. It is absolutely clear about homosexuality in the Bible being an abomination he hates. A fact most in your camp tend to regularly twist into modern interpretations the vast majority of Christians do not buy into. Nothing you people will argue can change that with Christians that actually bother to read that holy book.

I really don't give a damn WHAT you think your magical book or your invisible man in the sky tells you. That is NOT a valid reason to deny someone else their civil rights.

70s_guy said:
On the other hand, our God makes considerable input about marriage between men and women that is held in sacred importance. Thus we absolutely hate such a prominent traditional human ceremony being associated with a lifestyle we think is clearly sinful. Not that we dislike the person's involved but rather the choice of lifestyle and behavior. And we do not in the context of modern society demand that you gays not be able to make your own choices on that matter but rather that your lifestyle not be forced into ours. Much like those people who choose to pursue pornography, prostitution, drugs and other personal behaviors that don't tend to hurt others beyond possibly the individual. As many of us see it, your attempt at forcing this on us isn't really about marriage but rather a waypoint of the gay agenda towards making the gay lifestyle as acceptable as that of heterosexuals. Thus "don't ask don't tell" for military service, and keeping yourself out of conflict with our culture is a wiser path if you wish to coexist with we of the majority. Thus we have blocked your path to that end. That is why our media tv campaign went beyond simply the marriage issue. That was quite successful because recent history rang true with those who recall what your lawyers and politicians have been up to the last couple decades. Your impatient advocates brought this on themselves.

Bull****. No one is "forcing" anything on you. The day that gay rights advocates propose an amendment making gay marriage MANDATORY for everyone, I'll agree with you. But until then, just shut the **** up and don't marry someone of the same sex if you don't want to.
 
If you define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, the Federal Constitution gives all people the equal protection of the laws meaning that regardless of race, a man can marry a woman.

The federal constitution gives all people the equal protection of the laws meaning that regardless of gender, a person can marry a woman.
 
The vote wasn't actually determined by pro-gay marriage or anti-gay marriage activists, it was determined by the people who were ambivalent and didn't vote on the issue at all.

The pro-marriage side had more funding than any other social cause in history, but they couldn't get the people who didn't care to get off their behinds and actually vote. More people didn't care either way, and not caring is the same as abstaining. So what do you get?

The people who are truly dedicated to making sure the measure goes through will go to the polls because, well, they are hardcore about it. The people that want to stop it, mainly gays and special interest groups, also show up, but they are a minority.

Voter apathy does the most damage. Additionally, in California, no one anticipated Obama's black heritage to swing the vote to the right. Blacks and hispanics, statistically speaking, tend to be of a lower economic class, and so don't come from the educated elites that would vote against the bill. In other words, more people who voted based on their irrational biases showed up to vote in favor of the bill.

I'm of the opinion that the State legislature should override this, as it's a minority issue. Segregation ended, not because of voters, but because of law makers. Minorities don't have the power of numbers to win over rights, they need law makers to help them. Gay marriage does not intrinsically infringe upon the right of heterosexuals to marry, so there is no logical course of action but to create a pro-choice environment where you can marry whichever gender you want.

I do also agree that this bill is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. If gender of attraction/romantic interest is inherently not a choice - and science has already established it isn't - then the amendment is a violation of civil rights as it prevents couples from marrying according to their natural behaviour. Additionally, this amendment violates freedom of religion, since there are many churches in California that have willingly married gay couples up to the present according to their beliefs. Now those churches cannot issue licenses according to their faith.

Finally, the veil of the law does not prevent people from getting married. They can and still will, so the "institution of marriage" is already being "violated" anyway. The amendment simply removes the legal benefits, which is really the only benefit of recognition of the law anyway. Now gay couples with children will not be able to raise their children as effectively as heterosexual people (i.e. lack of health benefits, guardianship if one of the parents dies etc.), which in turn damages family values; couples will not be able to share insurance responsibilities, mortgages, and licensing procedures, because the state does not recognize their marriage.

This amendment is more damaging to society than it is productive, all because of a section of society that believes it contradicts their religious and/or moral values. It will be interesting to see how this situation develops.
 
LOL. Really?

similarly situated legal definition of similarly situated. similarly situated synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

similarly situated adj. with the same problems and circumstances, referring to the people represented by a plaintiff in a "class action," brought for the benefit of the party filing the suit as well as all those "similarly situated." To be similarly situated, the defendants, basic facts, and legal issues must be the same, and separate lawsuits would be impractical or burdensome

Pretty clear to me. The rest of your banter has nothing to do with Equal Protection whatsoever.

LOL Really?
Did you bother to read what you posted or just google, copy, paste with the appropriate key words?

you initially used "similarly situated" to indicate both sides. That Same sex couples and opposite sex couples are "similarly situated".
The definition you posted defines the phrase as a group of Plaintiffs (one side of the argument) being "similarly situated" not both sides.

Try Again.
 
I am ashamed of my state for one simple reason:

Given the choice between love/inclusion and hate/discrimination on the ballot, a slight majority chose hate.

Until we can overcome that, any gains that we made Tuesday by electing Obama will be minimized.

The United States stands for equality and justice for all or it stands for nothing.
 
LOL. Really?

similarly situated legal definition of similarly situated. similarly situated synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

similarly situated adj. with the same problems and circumstances, referring to the people represented by a plaintiff in a "class action," brought for the benefit of the party filing the suit as well as all those "similarly situated." To be similarly situated, the defendants, basic facts, and legal issues must be the same, and separate lawsuits would be impractical or burdensome

Pretty clear to me. The rest of your banter has nothing to do with Equal Protection whatsoever.

But the basic facts are NOT the same.

Basic Fact in case 1: Man and woman getting married.
Basic Fact in case 2: Man and man getting married.

Different basic facts - cut and clear.
 
The federal constitution gives all people the equal protection of the laws meaning that regardless of gender, a person can marry a woman.

No, it doesn't mean that. It means that given the same situation (i.e. man marrying a woman) all must be treated equally. Man marrying man is NOT the same situation, so equal protection does NOT apply. If you can find a SCOTUS decision where it does, I will stand down, but I don't think it exists.
 
All the evidence I've seen points to born-homosexuality being the result of a person's brain interpreting the pheromones of the same gender as though it were the opposite gender.

This seems obviously incongruent the purpose and function of that individual’s gender, and therefore stands out as some sort of malfunction not far removed from Gender Identity Disorder or a lesser manifestation of Transexuality.

IMO we should put our resources into developing legitimate treatment for this physiological error instead of trying to legitimize it with notions of "equality".
 
I am ashamed of my state for one simple reason:
Given the choice between love/inclusion and hate/discrimination on the ballot, a slight majority chose hate.
Can you show that people that do not approve of same-sex marriages do so out of hate?
 
Marriage is not only the union between a man and a woman but it has some additional rules, like that a father cannot marry her natural daughter, a brother cannot marry her sister, and similar.

So, this vote to ban the marriage between members of the same sex is not an act of hate but an act of civility, decency, and to do what is right.

If marriage between members of the same sex is allowed officially, then incest must be included in the ballot, and lets society to fall as in it fell so miserably in the times of Sodom.
 
So, your answer is... "no".
Thanks.

How you got that out of my post is typical.

The obviously answer was yes.

Can you name an instance where discrimination against a group is not based on hate and fear?
 
Can you show that people that do not approve of same-sex marriages do so out of hate?

The ONE somewhat logical complaint that I hear from my conservative friends on this issue is the teaching, or propagandizing, of children on the issue.
Sex, be it regular or decaffeinated, should NOT be taught to children without the parents approval, at least until the child old enough to be naturally curious, maybe age 12, but certainly not in grades K thru 5....when the pro gay community urges the teaching of "my 2 dads" etc. to very young children, it is hard for conservatives, rationally or otherwise, to not imagine that the children are being recruited.
 
The ONE somewhat logical complaint that I hear from my conservative friends on this issue is the teaching, or propagandizing, of children on the issue.
Sex, be it regular or decaffeinated, should NOT be taught to children without the parents approval, at least until the child old enough to be naturally curious, maybe age 12, but certainly not in grades K thru 5....when the pro gay community urges the teaching of "my 2 dads" etc. to very young children, it is hard for conservatives, rationally or otherwise, to not imagine that the children are being recruited.

That is the exact lie that Prop 8 based their entire campaign on. They promoted the lie that is prop 8 failed, children would be required to be taught about gay marriage.
 
All the evidence I've seen points to born-homosexuality being the result of a person's brain interpreting the pheromones of the same gender as though it were the opposite gender

I'd like to see that evidence.
 
How you got that out of my post is typical.

The obviously answer was yes.

Can you name an instance where discrimination against a group is not based on hate and fear?

how about when their agenda impacts your lifestyle? I don't hate extreme liberals or extreme conservatives, or fear them, but certainly I don't want them to dictate to the rest of us how we should live...well, maybe there is some fear in that last part, depends on some variables, I guess...
 
how about when their agenda impacts your lifestyle? I don't hate extreme liberals or extreme conservatives, or fear them, but certainly I don't want them to dictate to the rest of us how we should live...well, maybe there is some fear in that last part, depends on some variables, I guess...

No one is dictating how you can live. How would gay marriage affect your lifestyle?

The reality is, gay marriage was legal in California for over 1/2 a year and it didn't affect the lives of those opposed to it in the slightest. Heterosexual marriage did not fail and society did not fall apart (as many right-wing opponents suggested).
 
How you got that out of my post is typical.
It should be obvious -- you provided no argument or evidence whatsoever that supported your claim that people that do not approve of same-sex marriages do so out of hate.

(Note that by 'people', I mean a majority of the group. I'm -sure- that at least ONE person that opposes same-sex marriage does so out of hate).

You DID supply a gross generalization, but as an unsupported gross generalization, it doesnt support your claim at all -- unless, of course, you can show that said gross generaliszation is, in fact, true.

Thus, the obvious interpretation of your answer was no.

So, can you or can you not show that the people that do not approve of same-sex marriages do so out of hate?
 
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It should be obvious -- you provided no argument or evidence whatsoever that supported your claim that people that do not approve of same-sex marriages do so out of hate.

(Note that by 'people', I mean a majority of the group. I'm -sure- that at least ONE person that opposes same-sex marriage does so out of hate).

You DID supply a gross generalization, but as an unsupported gross generalization, it doesnt support your claim at all -- unless, of course, you can show that said gross generaliszation is, in fact, true.

Thus, the obvious interpretation of your answer was no.

So, can you or can you not show that the people that do not approve of same-sex marriages do so out of hate?


Can you name an instance within the history of discrimination in this country that was not based on fear and hatred?
 
Can you name an instance within the history of discrimination in this country that was not based on fear and hatred?
So, again -- your asnwer is 'no'.
Again - thanks.
 
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