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Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry accuses Putin of lying

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Litwin said:
why our western democracy can not deal with putin´s kleptocracy this honest way ?



"Saudi Arabia claims that the Kremlin is lying, talking about the reasons for the breakdown of the OPEC plus agreement. This was said on April 3 by the Kingdom’s Foreign Minister, Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, SPA agency writes.

Source: Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry accuses Putin of lying | US News!
Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry accuses Putin of lying | US News
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I agree, ANYTHING that ANYONE in the Saudi government says should be treated exactly as if Mr. Trump, himself, had said it.
 
Putin lies? Shocked I say!
 
Litwin said:
whats about Muscovy words?
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I would trust Mr. Putin to be Mr. Putin. That would mean acknowledging that he is educated, literate, trained, has foresight, knows what he wants to accomplish, and makes plans that can actually be carried out in order to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. That would NOT mean agreeing with what he wants to accomplish.

I would trust Mr. Trump to be Mr. Trump. That would mean acknowledging that he is ill educated, not particularly literate, poorly trained, has little (if any) foresight, doesn't know what he wants to accomplish, and makes next to no plans that can actually be carried out. That would NOT mean disagreeing with what he wants to accomplish (depending on the day of the week) and it would also NOT mean agreeing with what he wants to accomplish (on a different day of the week).
 
Litwin said:
did Muscovite khans changed only name right? Mongol nature of Muscovy is around even today, right ?
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Actually the "psyche of Russia" can be traced back more to Byzantium than it can to the Mongols. The Byzantines, in case you have forgotten it, were both Christians AND inheritors of the civil traditions of Rome. Also, in case you have forgotten in, Tsar (or Czar) derives from "Caesar" and NOT from "Chinggis".
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Actually the "psyche of Russia" can be traced back more to Byzantium than it can to the Mongols. The Byzantines, in case you have forgotten it, were both Christians AND inheritors of the civil traditions of Rome. Also, in case you have forgotten in, Tsar (or Czar) derives from "Caesar" and NOT from "Chinggis".
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He has been told this numerous times.

He is intentionally ignorant in history.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Actually the "psyche of Russia" can be traced back more to Byzantium than it can to the Mongols. The Byzantines, in case you have forgotten it, were both Christians AND inheritors of the civil traditions of Rome. Also, in case you have forgotten in, Tsar (or Czar) derives from "Caesar" and NOT from "Chinggis".
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its a 19c German elite in Piterburg myth, Czar is mongol word which means great khan.

Charles J. Halperin '... the Golden Horde', Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1987

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(page 92, ):

...It has been suggested that the language of the Muscovite bureacracy was kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is often linguistically meaningless without recourse to the Tatar originals. Supposedly Muscovite bureaucratic paper followed Mongol formats. 12. All bureacratic language is stylized, of course, but there is no question of the awkwardness and obscurity of Muscovite bureaucratic jargon. As yet the evidence that is syntactical, morphological, and lexical features derive from Turco-Tatar models remains suggestive rather than conclusive, but the connection is worthy of further research. Since the chancellery language of the Golden Horrde was Turkic written in Uighur script, it might be fruitful to explore the dessimination of Uighur script among Muscovite scribes...

"The diwan was an expressly Islamic form of government, and Moscow ... a kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is ..."

Russia and the Golden Horde: The Mongol Impact on Medieval Russian History - Charles Halperin - Google Bocker

crown of the first of Muscovite great khan (czar) with Allah bla bla , LOL
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'Allah is Great' inscribed on helmet of Ivan the Terrible, Iranian diplomat says - Estonian World Review
"'Allah is Great' inscribed on helmet of Ivan the Terrible,"

"Kyiv Rus has nothing to do with "Russia", Timothy Snyder"
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Fledermaus said:
He has been told this numerous times.

He is intentionally ignorant in history.
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and here
its "Alexander Nevsky's" ( a mongol belkerbek) helmet

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It has an inscription which can be seen on the top ring of the helmet. It is a quotation from Qur'an 61:13. The text reads:

نَصْرٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَفَتْحٌ قَرِيبٌ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ‎‎
And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from Allah and a victory near at hand; and give good news to the believers.
"


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money made in Muscovite ulus
 
Litwin said:
and here
its "Alexander Nevsky's" ( a mongol belkerbek) helmet

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It has an inscription which can be seen on the top ring of the helmet. It is a quotation from Qur'an 61:13. The text reads:

نَصْرٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَفَتْحٌ قَرِيبٌ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ‎‎
And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from Allah and a victory near at hand; and give good news to the believers.
"
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Alexander Nevsky was Prince of Novgorod (1236–40 and 1240–56 and 1258-1259), Grand Prince of Kiev (1236–52) and Grand Prince of Vladimir....

HE WASN'T FROM MUSCOVY.............

And helmets are frequent WAR TROPHIES.....
 
Litwin said:
its a 19c German elite in Piterburg myth, Czar is mongol word which means great khan.

Charles J. Halperin '... the Golden Horde', Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1987

404 Not Found

(page 92, ):

...It has been suggested that the language of the Muscovite bureacracy was kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is often linguistically meaningless without recourse to the Tatar originals. Supposedly Muscovite bureaucratic paper followed Mongol formats. 12. All bureacratic language is stylized, of course, but there is no question of the awkwardness and obscurity of Muscovite bureaucratic jargon. As yet the evidence that is syntactical, morphological, and lexical features derive from Turco-Tatar models remains suggestive rather than conclusive, but the connection is worthy of further research. Since the chancellery language of the Golden Horrde was Turkic written in Uighur script, it might be fruitful to explore the dessimination of Uighur script among Muscovite scribes...

"The diwan was an expressly Islamic form of government, and Moscow ... a kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is ..."

Russia and the Golden Horde: The Mongol Impact on Medieval Russian History - Charles Halperin - Google Bocker

crown of the first of Muscovite great khan (czar) with Allah bla bla , LOL
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'Allah is Great' inscribed on helmet of Ivan the Terrible, Iranian diplomat says - Estonian World Review
"'Allah is Great' inscribed on helmet of Ivan the Terrible,"

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Why lie?

Czar comes from the Byzantine CAESAR........

Why can't you history?
 
Fledermaus said:
It may have been USED in Muscovy.... Have you evidence it was MADE in Muscovy?

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what if send you clear evidence (links) that money made in Muscovite my Mongol - Muscovites had Allah acbar & C on them ? will you send me 100$ for this history lesson?
 
both sides in this oil war are scumbags...there are no winners here...we are all losers in this game.
 
Litwin said:
what if send you clear evidence (links) that money made in Muscovite my Mongol - Muscovites had Allah acbar & C on them ? will you send me 100$ for this history lesson?
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It may have been USED in Muscovy.... Have you evidence it was MADE in Muscovy?

Of course not.

America used Spanish coins. You can find Roman coins in England. Austro Hungarian Maria Theresa Thalers circulate in North Africa.

You really don't think things through.
 
Litwin said:
why our western democracy can not deal with putin´s kleptocracy this honest way ?



"Saudi Arabia claims that the Kremlin is lying, talking about the reasons for the breakdown of the OPEC plus agreement. This was said on April 3 by the Kingdom’s Foreign Minister, Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, SPA agency writes.

Source: Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry accuses Putin of lying | US News!
Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry accuses Putin of lying | US News
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Donald Trump doesn’t talk back to the man who holds the paper on his real estate.
 
Litwin said:
what if send you clear evidence (links) that money made in Muscovite my Mongol - Muscovites had Allah acbar & C on them ? will you send me 100$ for this history lesson?
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I have no intention of paying you one thin dime, but I would really like to see that evidence.

Feel free to send it by PM if you don't want to post it to the forum.
 
Fledermaus said:
It may have been USED in Muscovy.... Have you evidence it was MADE in Muscovy?

Of course not.

America used Spanish coins. You can find Roman coins in England. Austro Hungarian Maria Theresa Thalers circulate in North Africa.

You really don't think things through.
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In fact, you can find absolutely uncirculated British Sovereigns throughout the Middle East (many of which never actually saw the British Isles and were "minted" AFTER the Sovereign was removed as an official coinage of the UK).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
In fact, you can find absolutely uncirculated British Sovereigns throughout the Middle East (many of which never actually saw the British Isles and were "minted" AFTER the Sovereign was removed as an official coinage of the UK).
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I have a few Maria Theresa Thalers. They were minted also by Italy, the UK and other nations because they were so accepted in the middle east and Africa. Many were melted down and restruck. Others are poor copies.
 
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