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Sailors cheer Navy captain who was removed after pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak

Thoreau72 said:
My bet is that he knew exactly what he was going, breaking the Prime Directive for the government, releasing a truthful statement to the public. Certainly a forbidden act in the government. God help us if the people were to know the truth, is how it seems the government works in so many cases.

He made his decision knowing in his heart that he was doing the right thing, and that his military career would be history. He accepted that he was going to be punished, and did the right thing.
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Like others have said, we the public do not know the whole story. We most likely will never know.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Given that it has yet to be established whether any possible immunity gained extends beyond 28 days, I'd say no, he doesn't.
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Hell I had "symptoms" for 3 days mid march. No Idea if it was a cold allergies or a flue strain. Hard to tell sometimes unless you get really sick. One of ur friends husband was hospitalized this week and the test came back negative, so they aren't even sure what he has.
 
haymarket said:
Great for the crew who stood by their Captain.
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Indeed, the troops everywhere (sailors here) identify with their immediate command environment.

The distant and unseen authorities who are remote to the immediate command are less regarded and in many cases less supported if they are supported at all. Their hypocrisy is obvious as while on the one hand they leave the Convid-19 decisions to the commanders on the scene and on the other hand impose themselves as knowing better than the commander knows of his crew and their circumstance on the ship relative to the mission.

Capt. Crozier knew what he was doing, why he was doing it and what he had to say to be his most effective. He was conscious and aware of the likely consequences and prepared to accept them. Same is true of the sailors he commanded so well as they spoke up for him to media and now have cheered him as he departed as ordered.

SecNavy has a case of the ass because he was exposed as the waffler in chief along with his Department at the Pentagon. Meanwhile the crew of the ship are safer and more secure than they were before Capt. Crozier made his self sacrifice for the ship's mission. The heroes are on the ship minus one while the dicks remain in Washington.
 
Atomic Kid said:
1) You can find those carriers using commercial satellites. 2) You can trust that they always have a pretty good idea where they are at any given time. 3) This isn't 1941 you know.
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1) It's a tad easier when it's in the news and yet still classified. I doubt that you can Google "where is the commander/crew of the JFK?" and get it's current location/heading, intended destination or why it is being changed.

2) Who is "they"? Which appears to refer to two different groups in the same sentence.

3) It's still illegal to mishandle classified data.
 
ludin said:
From everything i read this guy should have been removed and or fired from command.
he not only put the ship but his crew at risk for causing a panic.

There were a ton of violations that this guy did and he did not follow proper protocol.
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Sounds more like Trump than it does of any USN captain.
 
mike2810 said:
Like others have said, we the public do not know the whole story. We most likely will never know.
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More will be known as there are approx 1300 or so Sailors on board

3k plus evacuated

Ships quarters tight and a perfect environment to spread C19 rapidly.

Mass testing and decontamination of the Carrier required. That from my layman's perspective will be quite difficult
 
America needs more leaders like Captain Brett Crozier and fewer deferment cowards like Trump — who punishes those whose who put him in bad light.

President Biden should promote Crozier to admiral.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
1) It's a tad easier when it's in the news and yet still classified. I doubt that you can Google "where is the commander/crew of the JFK?" and get it's current location/heading, intended destination or why it is being changed.

2) Who is "they"? Which appears to refer to two different groups in the same sentence.

3) It's still illegal to mishandle classified data.
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Oh come on, it's not that hard to figure out. The primary 'they' would be our chief adversaries, Russia, China, and their friends of course. The secondary the carriers. There is one private company named Planet Labs that has about 300 small satellites of it's own orbiting the earth. Enough to take a picture of the entire land mass of the earth everyday. One of it's founders told 60 Minutes that US military could use commercial satellites for 90% of the intelligence they need. If they could. Who else can? And what 'classified data' or information did the attain disclose. I haven't seen any evidence for that claim from 'acting' (of course) Secretary, or anyone else for that matter.
 
ecofarm said:
A lack of discipline (cheering for the breaking of regulations) resulting from poor leadership.
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It wasn't poor leadership. It was outstanding leadership. He put the health and welfare of his Sailors before his career. Poor leadership would've been to do nothing while the virus ravaged his Sailors on his ship. At that rank, you don't get the rank and file coming together to cheer for you unless you are amazing.
 
mike2810 said:
Like others have said, we the public do not know the whole story. We most likely will never know.
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Someone with that rank doesn't do something like that lightly. They know it's their end, because if there is anything that will end your career in the military, it's making the particular service look bad, even when they earned it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
1) It's a tad easier when it's in the news and yet still classified. I doubt that you can Google "where is the commander/crew of the JFK?" and get it's current location/heading, intended destination or why it is being changed.

2) Who is "they"? Which appears to refer to two different groups in the same sentence.

3) It's still illegal to mishandle classified data.
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Hmmm...you think those communications aren't done over unclassified net? Hell, it's nearly impossible to do so. Any picture taken in a cellphone has embedded data on it, giving information for location and such, yet you see pictures uploaded all the time.
 
swing_voter said:
This is what happens when you don't know the science and think all those healthy young people on your ship are going to die.

A lot of us are going to get infected, even with social distancing.
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CVN captain has a senior chief medical officer and other medical officers onboard to advise him and a command medical officer at HQ if you don't know or perhaps you're in denial about it. Whether you don't know or may be in denial it is fact. This makes the captain well informed and advised by Navy senior medical officers on the ship and at command HQ.

The captain of a ship is responsible to higher command for the effective accomplishment of the ship's mission -- that means the crew because without the crew the mission cannot be begun or executed much less accomplished. Yet a central outcome we know is that while the captain and crew were told to suck it up it's the Pentagon that needs to suck on it.
 
Fishking said:
Hmmm...you think those communications aren't done over unclassified net? Hell, it's nearly impossible to do so. Any picture taken in a cellphone has embedded data on it, giving information for location and such, yet you see pictures uploaded all the time.
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Nope, I know they were which is why he is in trouble.
 
There's a lot of noisy cheering and applauding going on by a swarm of TR sailors in their civvies onboard the Big Stick as Capt. Crozier departs with a proper reserve and modestly.

Navy command owes Capt. Crozier Big Time after all of this fumbling and bumbling on their part. Their failure of leadership enabled and caused a hellova mess. Predictably however the sailors themselves have made things clear and unmistakably so.






Farwell Sir it's been a pleasure... - Michael Washington
 
Tangmo said:
There's a lot of noisy cheering and applauding going on by a swarm of TR sailors in their civvies onboard the Big Stick as Capt. Crozier departs with a proper reserve and modestly.

Navy command owes Capt. Crozier Big Time after all of this fumbling and bumbling on their part. Their failure of leadership enabled and caused a hellova mess. Predictably however the sailors themselves have made things clear and unmistakably so.






Farwell Sir it's been a pleasure... - Michael Washington
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It will eventually make a great Tom Hanks movie.


The credits will say he was later promoted to admiral
 
Fishking said:
It wasn't poor leadership. It was outstanding leadership. He put the health and welfare of his Sailors before his career. Poor leadership would've been to do nothing while the virus ravaged his Sailors on his ship. At that rank, you don't get the rank and file coming together to cheer for you unless you are amazing.
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You do know the carrier was already at port in guam and operating with a skeleton crew with the rest already having been evacuated before the CPT sent the letter right.
 
vegas giants said:
It will eventually make a great Tom Hanks movie.


The credits will say he was later promoted to admiral
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For what exactly. Sending out a letter to be leaked after the Navy had already moved the carrier to port and evacuated all but the 400 sailors necessary to maintain the ship. Doesn't seem promotion worthy to me.
 
braindrain said:
For what exactly. Sending out a letter to be leaked after the Navy had already moved the carrier to port and evacuated all but the 400 sailors necessary to maintain the ship. Doesn't seem promotion worthy to me.
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Factually incorrect. Prove it
 
From the Stars & Stripes....



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Capt. Brett Crozier, then-commanding officer of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt addresses the crew during an all-hands call in the ship’s hangar bay March 3, 2020. KAYLIANNA GENIER/U.S. NAVY







Another video shows the career naval officer walk to the brow of the ship. He waves to the crowd, salutes and waves again before turning and walking down the gangway — alone — to the pier.








Capt. Daniel Keeler, the ship’s executive officer, will serve as acting commander until Capt. Carlos Sardiello, from whom Crozier had assumed command of the aircraft carrier in November, arrives in Guam to take the helm again, Modly said.

Adm. Robert Burke, vice chief of naval operations, would investigate the matter and the Pacific Fleet’s entire command climate, Modly said. Carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, who is embarked on the ship and “right down the passageway” from Crozier, didn’t know about the letter in advance, Modly said. But some observers questioned Crozier’s dismissal, which retired rear admiral and former Navy, Pentagon and State Department spokesman John Kirby said was poorly timed. “I understand the ‘trust & confidence’ argument. It’s sacrosanct in the Navy,” Kirby said Thursday night on Twitter. “But based on justification put forth by acting SECNAV for why he lost trust & confidence … hard to see it as anything other than an over-reaction & unwarranted at a vital time for the ship.”

In the hours since Crozier was fired, the backlash online has been swift, with more than 85,000 people signing a Change.org petition calling for his reinstatement. On the Reddit social media site, memes began to pop up in the Navy channel expressing support for the captain and distrust of higher-level officials. A native of Santa Rosa, Calif., and 1992 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Crozier had amassed more than 3,000 flight hours piloting SH-60B Seahawk helicopters and later F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets, including two tours aboard the carrier USS Nimitz in support of the Iraq War in 2003 and 2005.

'Captain Crozier! Captain Crozier!': Videos show sailors sending off ousted USS Roosevelt commander with cheers - Pacific - Stripes







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Memes like this one popped up on the Navy Reddit channel expressing support for Capt. Brett Crozier.
 
mike2810 said:
Crozier may be a good captain. Copying the letter and the leak to the press was his downfall. From what I have read the distribution of the memo to multiple people broke procedures. That was bad judgement.

Though I do believe that the safety of his crew was his top priority.
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He was a popular captain, but he wasn't a good captain in a crisis.

He knew the Pentagon was working with Guam to get his crew taken care of, but they weren't working fast enough in his opinion and he began to freak out.

The crew cheering him on as he was going over the side for the very last was fine, but they also knew at the same time that he ****ed up.
 
RetiredUSN said:
He was a popular captain, but he wasn't a good captain in a crisis.

He knew the Pentagon was working with Guam to get his crew taken care of, but they weren't working fast enough in his opinion and he began to freak out.

The crew cheering him on as he was going over the side for the very last was fine, but they also knew at the same time that he ****ed up.
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No they dont. He is a hero to them. He saved his crew.


Tom Hanks will play him magnificently in the movie
 
Thoreau72 said:
A lot of us have already been infected and acquired natural immunity. The fear-mongering media simply does not want to talk about that.

I personally know a handful of such individuals here in one town. There must be many more.
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How do you know?
 
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