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Poll: trump's Corona bounce fizzles

Perotista said:
You hit it with Trump supporters. Personality, persona means nothing. It probably means nothing to the anti-Trump crowd either. But what I'm saying it does with independents, the less to non-partisan group. We'll see come November. The Republican Party is still the smaller of the two major parties, Trump can't win without winning independents. He did win the independent vote in 2016, 46-42, but still fell 2 points shy of Hillary in the overall vote total, 48-46. A few thousand votes in the three deciding states made all the difference.

Trump won independents in Pennsylvania 48-41, in Michigan 52-35 and in Wisconsin 50-40. Can trump repeat those numbers in 2020? I don't think so, but it's earlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_JOscPpaBM#action=sharey. Independents in those states went Democratic in 2018, Pennsylvania 50-39, Michigan 49-44 and in Wisconsin 53-45. Just one last thing, Trump's approval numbers in those deciding states. Pennsylvania 48/49 approve/disapprove, Michigan 43/53 approve/disapprove and Wisconsin 43/54 approve/disapprove.
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Yes, I agree with you which is why I continue to point out to third party voters that their support for the third party leads to a Democrat win. True independents always vote on results not personality IMO. Don't really care much about popularity polls this early as they mean very little. Trump's personal approval numbers matter very little to people who are putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their head in the Trump economy.
 
Fruityfact said:
We need constant criticism, so we don't respond like we did back in 9/11. Another failure.
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Constant criticism doesn't generate results and results are what we need now. How does continually placing blame generate results?
 
Conservative said:
Blaming everyone? Facts, logic and common sense are what you radicals ignore. There will be time to blame Trump after the crisis is over, why blame him now as what purpose does it serve other than to stoke the anger of radicals who are already filled with that anger. There is a lot of blame to go around just like there was with the recession but you choose to focus that blame on the President, why is that?
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Because every time he opens his mouth he says something stupid and/or lies. He has had to backtrack on everything he has said since this crisis began. His own advisers find it necessary to contradict him the moment he leaves the podium. Now he is even denying he said things that we have him on video saying. He is the leader of the free world and we can't trust him to tell us the time of day.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Because every time he opens his mouth he says something stupid and/or lies. He has had to backtrack on everything he has said since this crisis began. His own advisers find it necessary to contradict him the moment he leaves the podium. Now he is even denying he said things that we have him on video saying. He is the leader of the free world and we can't trust him to tell us the time of day.
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Didn't bother you when Obama made dumbass statements. this just goes to show your loyalty and hypocrisy. Lies to you are anything that you don't agree with. I don't pay a lot of attention to rhetoric, just results and actions. The Trump results warrant my support and he has indeed put America first which to me is a win for all Americans
 
Conservative said:
Didn't bother you when Obama made dumbass statements. this just goes to show your loyalty and hypocrisy. Lies to you are anything that you don't agree with. I don't pay a lot of attention to rhetoric, just results and actions. The Trump results warrant my support and he has indeed put America first which to me is a win for all Americans
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So the fact that you cannot believe a word that comes out of his mouth as Americans die doesn't bother you in the least. Figures.
 
Conservative said:
Didn't bother you when Obama made dumbass statements. this just goes to show your loyalty and hypocrisy. Lies to you are anything that you don't agree with. I don't pay a lot of attention to rhetoric, just results and actions. The Trump results warrant my support and he has indeed put America first which to me is a win for all Americans
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Obama isn't president.
As for results, we have the one of the worst responses to this crisis precisely because Trump dismantled protections put in by the previous administration.
Trump had a chance to blunt this. He didn't and now HUNDREDS of THOUSAND of American's are going to die because of it.
 
Lutherf said:
"Whether this virus kills 100 million Americans or not isn't important. What is important is that Trump gets the blame for whatever bad stuff happens and gets ZERO credit for anything positive that happens. After all, this isn't really about a virus at all. It's about Trump just like every other ****ing thing in the past 4 years has been."

Sure I get what you're saying.
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I would say that 100 million deaths would outweigh anything good. You got one thing right though, everything fir tge last 4 years has been about Trump -Trump makes sure of that.

Obe thing is sure - no matter how msny die, you won't blame Trump in the least. You'll be here pushing whatever liwer death toll he pushes.
 
Trump's numbers will return to normal, but only when country isn't focused on coronavirus. I said it before and I'll say it again - when our lives are in danger of being lost or ruined, we look for a leader. It doesn't matter how incompetent Trump is, he's the leader. So human nature has us rallying behind him. Any talk of "Trump polls better than Biden" or "Americans approve of Trump's handling of X" is irrelevant. It's a simple coping mechanism. When you are diagnosed with cancer you are more likely to turn to faith. When the country faces a pandemic we turn to a leader.

What should trouble anybody hoping Trump will win a second term is the lack of a bigger boost to his numbers. W Bush's approval ratings were between 50 and 60 % heading into the 2004 election and barely won (by 2.4%). Obama only needed a 46% approval rating to win reelection. As much as I personally loathe a "return to normalcy," a lot of people will support it and more will be ok with it. Ok enough to vote for Biden or stay home instead of voting for Trump again. What a sick, sad world.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
So the fact that you cannot believe a word that comes out of his mouth as Americans die doesn't bother you in the least. Figures.
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The fact that you blame Trump for the coronavirus and believe he could have stopped it shows how little credibility you have. You ever going to answer the question, what purpose does it serve today blaming Trump for this crisis? The time now is for actions not playing the blame game or trying to score political points
 
Fruityfact said:
Obama isn't president.
As for results, we have the one of the worst responses to this crisis precisely because Trump dismantled protections put in by the previous administration.
Trump had a chance to blunt this. He didn't and now HUNDREDS of THOUSAND of American's are going to die because of it.
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No, he isn't so tell your liberal friends to stop bringing him up trying to prop up his failures. As for your claim that it is the worst response to a crisis, that is nothing but partisan bull**** from a radical progressive whose ideology is the true failure, not the Trump reaction and that of governors around the nation. Did you support his travel restrictions implemented on January 5? Yes or no?

How did Trump have a chance to blunt this? You have no idea what you are talking about just spewing leftwing hate rhetoric as always
 
Conservative said:
No, he isn't so tell your liberal friends to stop bringing him up trying to prop up his failures. As for your claim that it is the worst response to a crisis, that is nothing but partisan bull**** from a radical progressive whose ideology is the true failure, not the Trump reaction and that of governors around the nation. Did you support his travel restrictions implemented on January 5? Yes or no?

How did Trump have a chance to blunt this? You have no idea what you are talking about just spewing leftwing hate rhetoric as always
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I thought the virus was going to disappear by April?
Coronavirus in the U.S.: How Fast It’s Growing - The New York Times
You're right, I hate hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. We're going to have a 9/11 everyday in deaths at some point in April is my guess.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I agree with you which is why I continue to point out to third party voters that their support for the third party leads to a Democrat win. True independents always vote on results not personality IMO. Don't really care much about popularity polls this early as they mean very little. Trump's personal approval numbers matter very little to people who are putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their head in the Trump economy.
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I prefer to think when it comes to independents that candidates matter. History shows that on average 90% of the time Republicans and Democrats vote for their party's nominee no matter who it is. I think to a lot of independents, presidential elections are beauty contests. Most independents unlike us here on this site don't pay much attention to the daily grind of politics going on in Washington D.C. Quite a lot of them only begin to do so a month or less out from an election. A lot of them base their votes on who they like or dislike, their perspective of the candidates.

2016 was a unique election when it came to independents, 57% disliked Trump, 70% dislike Hillary. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

A lot of them voted for the candidate they disliked the least or wanted to lose the least. Even so, 12% of independents voted for third party candidates against both major party candidates. I might be wrong, but I don't think most of those who disliked Trump in November of 2016 have changed their minds much. This could be seen in the 2018 midterms in which without Hillary running, 54% of independents voted for the Democratic candidates for congress. Isn't unique that 42% of independents voted for Hillary, 12% against both Trump and Hillary in 2016, then in 2018 54% voted for the Democratic candidates. 42 plus 12 equals 54%. Unique indeed.

Biden isn't as disliked by independents as Hillary was. History also shows one usually doesn't vote for a candidate they dislike. Until this CoronaVirus thing runs its course, until we can gauge the public perception of how Trump handled it getting closer to November, numbers may not mean much. The economy approval numbers today may not mean a thing, we are in uncharted territory. If the election were held today, I'd say Biden wins fairly easily, he leads in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and in Arizona. All states Trump won in 2016. But today isn't November. I'd say Trump's chances of reelection is more tied to the CoronaVirus than to any poll numbers we are seeing today. Give it another month or two, then the numbers will make much more sense and give us a better/truer indication as to November.
 
Fruityfact said:
I thought the virus was going to disappear by April?
Coronavirus in the U.S.: How Fast It’s Growing - The New York Times
You're right, I hate hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. We're going to have a 9/11 everyday in deaths at some point in April is my guess.
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Love those leftwing opinion pieces that serve no purpose other than to create more rage from radicals as if they needed it. The American people disagree with you and he will judged by the outcome, not claims that he could have prevented it because no person could prevent a pandemic. You also have no understanding as to the role of the President or the governors of your own state. Being a progressive means someone with very little understanding of the private sector, initiative, drive, or individual responsibility. For you it is all about placing blame never offering any solutions as you expect those solutions to come from someone else.
 
Perotista said:
I prefer to think when it comes to independents that candidates matter. History shows that on average 90% of the time Republicans and Democrats vote for their party's nominee no matter who it is. I think to a lot of independents, presidential elections are beauty contests. Most independents unlike us here on this site don't pay much attention to the daily grind of politics going on in Washington D.C. Quite a lot of them only begin to do so a month or less out from an election. A lot of them base their votes on who they like or dislike, their perspective of the candidates.

2016 was a unique election when it came to independents, 57% disliked Trump, 70% dislike Hillary. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

A lot of them voted for the candidate they disliked the least or wanted to lose the least. Even so, 12% of independents voted for third party candidates against both major party candidates. I might be wrong, but I don't think most of those who disliked Trump in November of 2016 have changed their minds much. This could be seen in the 2018 midterms in which without Hillary running, 54% of independents voted for the Democratic candidates for congress. Isn't unique that 42% of independents voted for Hillary, 12% against both Trump and Hillary in 2016, then in 2018 54% voted for the Democratic candidates. 42 plus 12 equals 54%. Unique indeed.

Biden isn't as disliked by independents as Hillary was. History also shows one usually doesn't vote for a candidate they dislike. Until this CoronaVirus thing runs its course, until we can gauge the public perception of how Trump handled it getting closer to November, numbers may not mean much. The economy approval numbers today may not mean a thing, we are in uncharted territory. If the election were held today, I'd say Biden wins fairly easily, he leads in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and in Arizona. All states Trump won in 2016. But today isn't November. I'd say Trump's chances of reelection is more tied to the CoronaVirus than to any poll numbers we are seeing today. Give it another month or two, then the numbers will make much more sense and give us a better/truer indication as to November.
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So you think the Sanders supporters have so much hatred for Trump that they will flock to the polls to support Biden? I don't, the socialist ideology is for radicals who will never support anyone but Sanders and will stay at home.
 
Conservative said:
The fact that you blame Trump for the coronavirus and believe he could have stopped it shows how little credibility you have. You ever going to answer the question, what purpose does it serve today blaming Trump for this crisis? The time now is for actions not playing the blame game or trying to score political points
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TRump blames EVERYONE but himself. It's the Chinese. It's the Democrats. It's Obama. It's the governors, It's the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals! Why do you deny this? It's all on video.

For three months Trump has been lying about this crisis daily. I blame him for his lies and the consequences of those lies. You give him a pass for every lie. You are part of the problem.
 
Fruityfact said:
Obama isn't president.
As for results, we have the one of the worst responses to this crisis precisely because Trump dismantled protections put in by the previous administration.
Trump had a chance to blunt this. He didn't and now HUNDREDS of THOUSAND of American's are going to die because of it.
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You would blame Trump if your alarm clock went off at the wrong time, so spare me.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
TRump blames EVERYONE but himself. It's the Chinese. It's the Democrats. It's Obama. It's the governors, It's the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals! Why do you deny this? It's all on video.

For three months Trump has been lying about this crisis daily. I blame him for his lies and the consequences of those lies. You give him a pass for every lie. You are part of the problem.
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This virus was NOT Trumps fault. It originated in China.
 
Conservative said:
So you think the Sanders supporters have so much hatred for Trump that they will flock to the polls to support Biden? I don't, the socialist ideology is for radicals who will never support anyone but Sanders and will stay at home.
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I don't either. I suspect their turnout will be about the same as 2016. If you followed the exit polls, Sanders is getting his support mostly from Democratic leaning independents, 53-40 in sanders favor. Now those who identify themselves as Democrats are favoring Biden 59-37. There's a lot more of this latter group.

In 2016 75% of Sanders supporters voted for Hillary, 12% for Trump with a whopping 13% voting third party. We have no idea how many of Sanders supporters stayed home as they don't take part in exit polling. But a lot of Sanders supporters love the man, not the party. If their man doesn't get the nomination, they don't give a care about November.

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof

Folks tend to forget Sanders is an independent running for the Democratic nomination. He still is listed as an independent on his facebook page, his official web site and on the government's senate official roster.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
TRump blames EVERYONE but himself. It's the Chinese. It's the Democrats. It's Obama. It's the governors, It's the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals! Why do you deny this? It's all on video.

For three months Trump has been lying about this crisis daily. I blame him for his lies and the consequences of those lies. You give him a pass for every lie. You are part of the problem.
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Whoever Trump did or did not blame is irrelevant, we have a crisis and the results will determine his poll numbers. Lying about the crisis? You have a very selective and biased memory with no credibility. Since 2016 you haven't bought a word Trump has said, posting daily so called lies, so why is this any different in your world? Couldn't care less what he says only what he does starting on January 5, 2020
 
Perotista said:
I don't either. I suspect their turnout will be about the same as 2016. If you followed the exit polls, Sanders is getting his support mostly from Democratic leaning independents, 53-40 in sanders favor. Now those who identify themselves as Democrats are favoring Biden 59-37. There's a lot more of this latter group.

In 2016 75% of Sanders supporters voted for Hillary, 12% for Trump with a whopping 13% voting third party. We have no idea how many of Sanders supporters stayed home as they don't take part in exit polling. But a lot of Sanders supporters love the man, not the party. If their man doesn't get the nomination, they don't give a care about November.

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof

Folks tend to forget Sanders is an independent running for the Democratic nomination. He still is listed as an independent on his facebook page, his official web site and on the government's senate official roster.
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And they along with African Americans benefiting from the Trump economy will do it again. Sanders is about as independent as Karl Marx
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No one is saying the virus is his fault, they're saying his two and a half - three month disinformation scandal is his DOING.

Heroes of the PANDUMBIC!
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Most of what Trump has said has been quite accurate, given that the information has changed as time progressed and that China told some huge lies about it.

And if you compare Trump to, say, the liberal MSM, he has been more accurate. He was pushing the new hydroxichloroquione/antibiotic treatment while they were castigating him for it.

Now it's being broadly used.

And we still don't know how serious it is. Even recent models have been pretty far off. Trump may well turn out to be quite close.

And WTF are you citing the Daily Show for?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No one is saying the virus is his fault, they're saying his two and a half - three month disinformation scandal is his DOING.

Heroes of the PANDUMBIC!
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Nice attempt to revise history, blaming Trump for a 2 1/2-3 month delay is typical left wing, left coast revisionist history. The Pandemic was declared worldwide in March 2020. Trump started reacting in January and there is nothing else he could have done within his Constitutional authority to prevent the pandemic from hitting this country. Most people realize it, most radicals like you are looking to score political points at the expense of the American people
 
Termn8or said:
Most of what Trump has said has been quite accurate, given that the information has changed as time progressed and that China told some huge lies about it.

And if you compare Trump to, say, the liberal MSM, he has been more accurate. He was pushing the new hydroxichloroquione/antibiotic treatment while they were castigating him for it.

Now it's being broadly used.

And we still don't know how serious it is. Even recent models have been pretty far off. Trump may well turn out to be quite close.

And WTF are you citing the Daily Show for?
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Why? because they are researching for anything negative against Trump to score political points all in an attempt to restore the march towards socialism for people who aren't capable of competing in the private sector economy and need gov't assistance for personal responsibility issues and of course Federal Assistance not state and local which makes more sense
 
Conservative said:
And they along with African Americans benefiting from the Trump economy will do it again. Sanders is about as independent as Karl Marx
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Sanders is to the left of most Democrats. The Democratic Party is too right wing for him. Blacks like Biden, not nominating him via some shenanigans would in my opinion have a lot of blacks not show up to vote in November.
 
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