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Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

You know, if you want to, I can start making up things that aren't true to suit my arguments. Then we can be mirrors of each other!
 
You know, if you want to, I can start making up things that aren't true to suit my arguments. Then we can be mirrors of each other!

Name one thing I made up.
Explain why you believe its made up in detail.
 
No, but it makes very little sense to be revulsed by something that happened a very long way away, that you can neither prevent nor avenge. Put me in town square with an angry mob and a young girl, and I can only hope that my answer would be different.

I never even heard of this girl before she was cold and in the ground. That makes it very difficult to care.

Thats got to be one the coldest thing I every heard anyone say.
 
It's not Islam, it's social politics. We're talking about Somalia. This type of thing would never happen in Jordan, or Egypt, or many other places where Muslims are the majority. Laws differ in different countries. Religion exists along side free societies just like it does alongside of fascist societies. Religion is always there. It's the level of social politics that determines the level of barbarism.

Regional social politics are the "status quo", and religion, of course, will end up playing a role in that, but religion is not the determiner. If that were true, then all Islamic nations of the world would demonstrate this level of violence, and the truth is that only a few do. You don't see women getting stoned to death in the UAE, do you?

Keep telling yourself this has nothing to do with the religion of peace.
 
You claim to be disgusted and outraged, but I don't think you honestly give a damn about the victim at all. I think you're using her, and the vile things that were done to her, to feel better about hating a religion of over a billion people-- the majority of which had nothing to do with either her plight or attacks against our country


I give a damn about the victim. And I believe cherokee does as well. And I think he is right. Moderate Muslims are the only ones who can stop this ****. Its up to them. After all there are over a billion of them. They need to take there religion back from the freakin cavemen who are using it to spread there hate.
 
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This story is sad and horrible. I haven't read the whole thread, but I have seen some comments that are totally off the wall.

For whoever said this doesn't happen anywhere else, I say bull****. Not only in Somalia, but other Islamic countries, rape victims are considered no longer "pure" and can't marry, and like a horse with a broken leg, they are killed off. This is Sharia Law, which they are trying to bring to the world.
How Sharia Law Punishes Raped Women
And for the one who keeps saying "It ain't happening here, it happened far away, not your daughter, blah blah blah ad nauseam"---I'll tell you this. When these ****ers take over the world because of naive people who think It Can't Happen Here, it just may be YOUR daughter or other relative. We NEED to be concerned about what happens with these murderous pieces of **** that claim they WILL take over the world. WAKE UP! If we don't act, this will be coming to a country TOO close to you.
 
And for the one who keeps saying "It ain't happening here, it happened far away, not your daughter, blah blah blah ad nauseam"---I'll tell you this. When these ****ers take over the world because of naive people who think It Can't Happen Here, it just may be YOUR daughter or other relative.

Seriously, how exactly do you expect that to happen?

Everyone talks about "a billion Muslims", but those Muslims are scattered across dozens of countries-- mostly in Africa-- are torn by irreconcilable political and theological differences from within, and are otherwise incapable of being anything more dangerous than a general nuisance on the global stage.

We've gone from false moral indignation to Chicken Little.
 
Your fabricated claim of Iriemon stating that Jews have great lives in Iran.

Lie number one, Ireman stated the Jewish living in Iran had several rights freedoms and didn't bother to post any of the restrictions.
That is clearly misrepresentation on his part.



And your claim that Somalia = Islamic World

Lie number two, Somalia is a Islamic country governed under Islamic law so therefore it fall's into category of being apart of the Islamic World. I never said it was the only "Islamic world" as you have been clinging to.

You never did answer my question. Been to the ME?
 
I give a damn about the victim. And I believe cherokee does as well. And I think he is right. Moderate Muslims are the only ones who can stop this ****. Its up to them. After all there are over a billion of them. They need to take there religion back from the freakin cavemen who are using it to spread there hate.

I have asked this question a numerous times on this forum, so much so that i have lost count and have never recieved an answer but perhaps Sgt you can enlighten me on it.

How do you expect Moderate Muslims to get rid of terrorism and extremism when the richest and most powerful country in the world has failed in doing so?

African and Arab Muslims have their own problems, We are not united in no shape or form. [Africans especially, we'd kill people who are not part of our tribe ffs]
I have posted a link which shows Somalis are not happy about what occured but how can you expect Somalis [in this case] to fight against the people with weapons??

When these ****ers take over the world because of naive people who think It Can't Happen Here, it just may be YOUR daughter or other relative. We NEED to be concerned about what happens with these murderous pieces of **** that claim they WILL take over the world. WAKE UP! If we don't act, this will be coming to a country TOO close to you.

Take over the world? :lamo

African Muslims and Arabs will never be united, Sunnis and Shia's will never unite.
And you expect Muslims to take over the world when African Muslims are weak and Arab countries are fighting with one another? :rofl

Someone has an over active imagination ;)

Don't worry sweetheart, when we "take over" the world. I'll ensure we spare US [sorta] okay?
 
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As regards to somila maybe when it came under the control of the Islamic Courts...

Somalia is no longer under the control of the Islamic courts thanks to US and Ethiopia :roll:
 
Somalia is no longer under the control of the Islamic courts thanks to US and Ethiopia :roll:

And yet as we can clearly see below,

The Somali constitution discourages the promotion and propagation of any religion other than Islam. This sets Somalis apart from their immediate African neighbours, many of whom are either Christians (particularly the Amhara and others of Ethiopia) or adherents of indigenous faiths.
http://www.somalilaw.org/Documents/Constitution1960.pdf


Somali constitution


Article 1
1. Islam shall be the state religion.

Article 29
Freedom of Religion

Every person shall have the right to freedom of conscience and
freely to profess his own religion and to worship it subject to any
limitations which may be prescribed by law for the purpose of
safeguarding morals, public health or order. However, it shall not be
permissible to spread or propagandize any religion other than the religion
of Islam(*). [Note (*): As amended by law No. 16 of 29 June 1963]
Article 30
2. The personal status of Muslims is governed by the general
principles of the Islamic Sharia.
Article 35
6. Teaching of Islam shall be compulsory for pupils of Islamic faith in
primary and secondary State schools and in schools having a parity of
status. Teaching of Holy Koran shall be a fundamental element in primary
and secondary State schools for Muslims.

Article 50
The Doctrine of Islam in the Legislation
The doctrine of Islam shall be the main source of the laws of the
State.

Anything else Laila?
 
Anything else Laila?
Yeah ...

.... are you sure that is Somalia's consitution?

I just looked through it myself

CONSTITUTION OF THE SOMALI DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC


Somaliland and Somalia's consitution is very similar [obviously]
Somaliland's consitution and law has a basis of Shariah law ofc and i see nothing wrong with that. It has worked very well for it

Oh and what is wrong with Islam being the state religion? seeing the country is 100% Muslim :/
 
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Lie number one, Ireman stated the Jewish living in Iran had several rights freedoms and didn't bother to post any of the restrictions.
That is clearly misrepresentation on his part.

You do know that taking refuted arguments from another thread while pretending that the refutation doesn't exist doesn't make them suddenly valid again no?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057826468-post115.html

Lie number two, Somalia is a Islamic country governed under Islamic law so therefore it fall's into category of being apart of the Islamic World. I never said it was the only "Islamic world" as you have been clinging to.

Except that you are deliberately ignoring other Muslim countries which don't have such rules. thus, your idiotic assertion says that Turkey and Indonesia among others aren't part of the Islamic World.

Pray tell Cherokee, why is that the country with the MOST MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD isn't part of the Islamic world?

You never did answer my question. Been to the ME?

How about you own up to making **** up left and right up?

And where I've been or not been doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

If someone has been to a country and says that another's statements about how the sky is blue there is wrong because they never went there, is the sky not blue there?
 
Do you know how many times that things like this have happened, and how many worse things happen every year all over the world? If you were outraged over every single human atrocity to come down the pike, your outrage would soon be as meaningless as your condemnation of my indifference.
You speak wise words Korimyr. People these days spend so much time worrying about so many things from all over the world. It can't have a good effect on them individually and socially. We need to spend less time caught up in everyone else's business, it rarely helps anyone anyway.
 
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Absolutely not.
It'll have devestating consequences of the region which they do not see.

How about we don't allow Somalis to have Shariah law?
It is not our business. We can't be the world's police and we shouldn't be. It is no good for us or the world.
 
It is not our business. We can't be the world's police and we shouldn't be. It is no good for us or the world.

No you are right.
I was being harsh on Somalia. If they want Shariah law then good for them. I don't believe it would harm them anymore than what is happening now.

Oh and Invayne, I barely got through the first few minutes of the first Youtube video before shutting it down.

Good way to counter an arguement btw using Youtube videos :roll:
 
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Invayne, can you please stop spamming us with useless Youtube opinion pieces? If you have something to say, say it yourself. Don't rely on Youtube to make your argument for you.

The media's #1 duty in reporting on things like people being stoned to death is to itself. Dramatic titles bring dramatic ratings. The violence will continue in Somalia until a UN mandate is made to remove its current regime and bring new infrastructure to the region; however, given how Iraq is gone, and the relative strategic unimportance of Somalia, such a measure is doubtful.
 
You do know that taking refuted arguments from another thread while pretending that the refutation doesn't exist doesn't make them suddenly valid again no?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057826468-post115.html

I bet your favorite some is I'm not aware of to many things
I know what I know if you know what I mean. I have proved my point. Let me know when you can offer up REAL evidence.

Except that you are deliberately ignoring other Muslim countries which don't have such rules. thus, your idiotic assertion says that Turkey and Indonesia among others aren't part of the Islamic World.

Really and which counties are those?
Name the Muslim countries if you can.
From reading Turkish law, (yes unlike you I actually read about a counties law before I pretend like you to blab about it.) It is almost void of islamic based laws yet they still have honor killing being committed by Muslims. I wonder why? I do pray tell wonder what the "Turkish Hadith Project" will turn out to be like.

Pray tell Cherokee, why is that the country with the MOST MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD isn't part of the Islamic world?

How about you own up to making **** up left and right up?

And where I've been or not been doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

If someone has been to a country and says that another's statements about how the sky is blue there is wrong because they never went there, is the sky not blue there?

Have you read Indian Law? No you haven't because if you did you'd see its has its own version for Muslims. surprise!

"your idiotic assertion" Look who's doing the insulting now. Yet you will cry to the mods when I insult you back?

I have posted my evidence what have you posted? Nothing!
Back up you BS.
 
You speak wise words Korimyr. People these days spend so much time worrying about so many things from all over the world. It can't have a good effect on them individually and socially. We need to spend less time caught up in everyone else's business, it rarely helps anyone anyway.

And looking the other way is some how better, like when the world turned a blind eye to Rwanda or Dafur today?
 
Yeah ...

.... are you sure that is Somalia's consitution?

I just looked through it myself

CONSTITUTION OF THE SOMALI DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC


Somaliland and Somalia's consitution is very similar [obviously]
Somaliland's consitution and law has a basis of Shariah law ofc and i see nothing wrong with that. It has worked very well for it

Oh and what is wrong with Islam being the state religion? seeing the country is 100% Muslim :/

Yes it is the Somalia's constitution, I've read the entire document have you?
What wrong with an Islamic government? Hmm thats a hard one. Nothing if you're a man. The question should be how long would you live under an Islamic law. Are you not use to western laws? Why don't you live in Somaliland or Somalia today? If that is your home why did you leave?
 
And looking the other way is some how better, like when the world turned a blind eye to Rwanda or Dafur today?

I'd be the first to say that occassionally there is need for action but generally worrying about other people's business is not a good thing.

Would you like the state to look after more of yours? How about the Chinese state or the EU?
 
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