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Trump approval rating at all-time high

You know he does have a point.

Well, he has as much of a point as someone who asks "Why should I have to pay life insurance premiums so that I will get more than the minimum government benefits when I paid them for years and didn't die." does.

There is a difference between Medicare and SS or didn't you know that?? I can choose to take SS whenever I want but paid premiums to Medicare for 35 years, why should I buy a private insurance plan after contributing 35 years to Medicare?

This has nothing to do with SS or life insurance
 
You are not getting your money back. Your money when you were working paid for Medicare beneficiaries at the time. Similarly, taxpayers now are paying for your Medicare benefits. It is a wealth transfer just like every other social program is.



FDR did not create Medicare. It was signed into law by LBJ. A Medicare Supplement is a supplementary insurance to Medicare that pays for the out of pocket fees that Medicare doesn't pay for. Medicare is just like any other insurance policy in this regard (actually its far more generous than most insurance policies today are). However, because your healthcare utilization is much higher in retirement than it is when you are younger, many beneficiaries carry a supplement to pay for their out of pocket expenses.

Let's say we didn't have Medicare. And you got to keep the 1.4% or so of your salary that went to the Medicare program. So you could invest that, just save it, whatever you wanted. You turn 65, what do you think your health insurance premiums on the private market would be?

At 65, assuming you were fairly healthy, you would be looking at around 25k a year. By the time you were 70, your risk to an insurer would mean your health insurance premiums would be around 35k a year. By age 75, they would be over 50k a year, by age 80, they would easily be over 80k a year due to the extremely high risk you would pose the insurers. A 70 year old to a health insurer is the same kind of risk a guy with 5 DUIs is to an Auto Insurer. Now the only way an insurer could lower your premiums would be if they were allowed to have an annual cap for what they could be out should you get sick.

Are you saying that had the government allowed you to keep your 1.4% of taxes that went into the Medicare program, you could have saved enough money to be totally self sufficient, to pay for your own subsidized health coverage in the private market once you hit retirement?

Doing some really rough calculations, he would have around $33,850 (which includes the interest earned) banked at the end of a 40 year (full time employment) working life. At 2.5% annual interest, that would provide him with around $850 a year that he could use to pay for all of the medical expenses that the Medicare that he wouldn't have would have paid for if he did have it.

The average cost of a visit to an ER is currently around $1,350. A visit to the doctor would cost him between $150 and $300 (call it $225). A visit to the dentist would cost him between $50 and $350 (call it $200). That means that he would be able to pay for around 63% of one visit to an ER, around 3.75 visits to a doctor, and around 4.25 visits to a dentist.
 
I can also use the premiums I paid and the supplemental payments for Medicare which I contributed to for 35 years. IF I want to help someone else with their retirement and insurance why should I give the money to a federal bureaucrat to spend it the way they want?

the insurance premiums you paid are the equivelent of paying your light bill...you got the service and paid your bill...the money doesn't belong to you.
 
My money paid for Medicare premiums for my use when I retired. that was the purpose of Medicare, sorry but it isn't my obligation to pay for your insurance.

all insurance works exactly like Medicare does...you paid a premium....your premium paid for others health care...the employer paid part of your premium for you...so you weren't pulling your own weight...or you would have had private insurance and not employer based insurance.
 
you can call your insurance company and turn it into a private plan...it is just much more expensive.

Look, I can tell why you haven't been successful as you have no problem giving the Federal gov't your money for SS and Medicare to use as they see fit and then support calls for paying more in taxes to fund any shortfall because of that waste, fraud, and abuse. Look in the mirror for the real financial problems you have and by all means keep placing blame on someone else and especially the President

By the way, I am currently paying $180/ month(2160 per year) for a supplemental on top of the 35 years of premiums I paid for Medicare. guess I should forgo that and buy another insurance policy since the 35 year premium payments were for someone else according to you
 
all insurance works exactly like Medicare does...you paid a premium....your premium paid for others health care...the employer paid part of your premium for you...so you weren't pulling your own weight...or you would have had private insurance and not employer based insurance.

Yes, my premiums paid for someone else and for me when I needed it. I paid Medicare premiums for 35 years to fund my healthcare when I need it. I pay a copay on my visits then with my private insurance and do the same now with Medicare. You cannot seem to grasp that there is little difference other than on top of the Medicare premiums I paid for 35 years never using the service, I am not paying an addition 2160 per year for a supplement. If I don't use it, it is still there for me. Not exactly sure what your problem is and why you cannot grasp what an entitlement program is and how the federal gov't has indoctrinated you into believing what they tell you
 
Look, I can tell why you haven't been successful as you have no problem giving the Federal gov't your money for SS and Medicare to use as they see fit and then support calls for paying more in taxes to fund any shortfall because of that waste, fraud, and abuse. Look in the mirror for the real financial problems you have and by all means keep placing blame on someone else and especially the President

By the way, I am currently paying $180/ month(2160 per year) for a supplemental on top of the 35 years of premiums I paid for Medicare. guess I should forgo that and buy another insurance policy since the 35 year premium payments were for someone else according to you

I pay what I owe so that this country can be successful....evidently, you have a problem with us being a first world country...we have roads, schools, hospitals, police, military and so forth because of those taxes you so despise. Do I like paying? Of course not...do I understand it is necessary? I do....and I am very happy with my comfortable life. I have no need to plaster how much I earn or how much I pay in taxes all over the net....perhaps, it is something you should consider...especially when you couldn't afford private insurance...but you want to convince us you are a millionaire.
 
the insurance premiums you paid are the equivelent of paying your light bill...you got the service and paid your bill...the money doesn't belong to you.

What service did I get from paying premiums if I didn't use the insurance? It is protection, if you don't use it and I didn't use those premiums for 35 years but instead used my private insurance premiums for yearly checkups etc. You cannot seem to grasp the difference between a premium for insurance and a personal housing expense. Maybe you don't turn your lights on at night
 
I pay what I owe so that this country can be successful....evidently, you have a problem with us being a first world country...we have roads, schools, hospitals, police, military and so forth because of those taxes you so despise. Do I like paying? Of course not...do I understand it is necessary? I do....and I am very happy with my comfortable life. I have no need to plaster how much I earn or how much I pay in taxes all over the net....perhaps, it is something you should consider...especially when you couldn't afford private insurance...but you want to convince us you are a millionaire.

LOL, so you deducted your state and local taxes from your federal return and believe that is paying what you owed the federal gov't? Just like the budget you are clueless on this issue.

You have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose and you show it with every post. Like far too many liberals which you are, you really don't understand much about finances at all yet your class envy, jealousy are on full display.
 
What service did I get from paying premiums if I didn't use the insurance? It is protection, if you don't use it and I didn't use those premiums for 35 years but instead used my private insurance premiums for yearly checkups etc. You cannot seem to grasp the difference between a premium for insurance and a personal housing expense. Maybe you don't turn your lights on at night

it is your choice not to use it. You don't always use your auto insurance either...in fact, most of us may never use it...but those premiums are there to pay for whatever might happen....so it is a bill, just like lights and water. You can always decide to go without...you could have then too...it was a choice you made...you knew you were paying a monthly bill to have it...the money belongs to the insurance company, not you.
 
LOL, so you deducted your state and local taxes from your federal return and believe that is paying what you owed the federal gov't? Just like the budget you are clueless on this issue.

You have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose and you show it with every post. Like far too many liberals which you are, you really don't understand much about finances at all yet your class envy, jealousy are on full display.

I pay on all three. I pay state taxes in South Carolina, pay sales tax, pay property tax, pay taxes on my vehicles, my husband pays self employment tax, we both pay quarterly because of the amount we owe...do you have any more foolish questions? See you assumed because I am Latina that I am poor...you assumed because I have a job that pays $15 an hour that I am poor...you forgot that my husband also works..and he works for himself. I have no need to tell you what I pay or brag...I do what I am required. I don't try to cheat the system...I am sure you did for years...that I can get from your posts. You likely think that the Police owe you something, that soldiers should thank you, instead of you thanking them...no, it is our patriotic duty to pay our taxes just like it is our responsibility to pay our bills. Your insurance or Medicare premiums are bills...

btw, I know more about taxes than you will ever hope to know. My mother is an accountant...I learned well from her...I do my taxes all by myself...
 
it is your choice not to use it. You don't always use your auto insurance either...in fact, most of us may never use it...but those premiums are there to pay for whatever might happen....so it is a bill, just like lights and water. You can always decide to go without...you could have then too...it was a choice you made...you knew you were paying a monthly bill to have it...the money belongs to the insurance company, not you.

My choice??? So I could have used Medicare for the previous 35 years? OMG, this is priceless
 
I pay on all three. I pay state taxes in South Carolina, pay sales tax, pay property tax, pay taxes on my vehicles, my husband pays self employment tax, we both pay quarterly because of the amount we owe...do you have any more foolish questions? See you assumed because I am Latina that I am poor...you assumed because I have a job that pays $15 an hour that I am poor...you forgot that my husband also works..and he works for himself. I have no need to tell you what I pay or brag...I do what I am required. I don't try to cheat the system...I am sure you did for years...that I can get from your posts. You likely think that the Police owe you something, that soldiers should thank you, instead of you thanking them...no, it is our patriotic duty to pay our taxes just like it is our responsibility to pay our bills. Your insurance or Medicare premiums are bills...

btw, I know more about taxes than you will ever hope to know. My mother is an accountant...I learned well from her...I do my taxes all by myself...

Good then figure out what your taxes fund and stop making a fool of yourself. I paid Medicare Premiums for 35 years getting no benefits from them. Now like all liberals you believe my money should be used to fund your own personal responsibility issues. Apparently you have no idea what your taxes are or what they fund, better spend some more time with your mother.

I had no idea what your ethnicity is and why does it matter?
 
My choice??? So I could have used Medicare for the previous 35 years? OMG, this is priceless

you need to work on reading comprehension...it was your choice to have a health insurance policy. When you were still employed, you very well could have opted out of insurance...you decided to take that on..so with it comes the monthly bill of paying premiums.
 
Good then figure out what your taxes fund and stop making a fool of yourself. I paid Medicare Premiums for 35 years getting no benefits from them. Now like all liberals you believe my money should be used to fund your own personal responsibility issues. Apparently you have no idea what your taxes are or what they fund, better spend some more time with your mother.

I had no idea what your ethnicity is and why does it matter?

I already know what they fund...they fund all of what I pointed out and then some. What I wish it funded less of is corporate welfare.
 
My money paid for Medicare premiums for my use when I retired. that was the purpose of Medicare, sorry but it isn't my obligation to pay for your insurance.

You are quite literally delusional if you think the taxes you paid for Medicare is for your use. You paid for Medicare recipients at the time. Right now, I am paying for your Medicare.
 
you need to work on reading comprehension...it was your choice to have a health insurance policy. When you were still employed, you very well could have opted out of insurance...you decided to take that on..so with it comes the monthly bill of paying premiums.

Yes it was, it is called thinking ahead and taking personal responsibility for myself and my family.

Yes, why would I opt out of insurance for my family during my employment? Is this a joke or an act on your part. Your questions make no sense. I paid 35 years of Medicare premiums while also paying private sector premiums. Now I am retired no longer paying private sector premiums and getting insurance coverage for my Medicare Premiums plus I am paying for a supplemental. Your post makes no sense at all
 
I already know what they fund...they fund all of what I pointed out and then some. What I wish it funded less of is corporate welfare.

No, I don't think you do. What federal taxes fund teachers, fire departments, hospitals? What federal taxes fund state and local highways and infrastructure? What taxes fund national defense, Congress, the VA, HHS, Commerce, etc?

Waiting for why you think it is appropriate to deduct your state and local taxes from your federal return thus reducing your federal tax liabilities?
 
You are quite literally delusional if you think the taxes you paid for Medicare is for your use. You paid for Medicare recipients at the time. Right now, I am paying for your Medicare.

And you are delusional if you don't believe that collecting SS and Medicare isn't collecting on my investment as well as premiums paid to Medicare for 35 years without any benefits. This really has to be an act as no education system is as poor as you seem to make it look
 
And you are delusional if you don't believe that collecting SS and Medicare isn't collecting on my investment as well as premiums paid to Medicare for 35 years without any benefits.

No, that is how you like to think of it. In the case of Social Security, the amount you pay in has a relationship to the amount you qualify for. In the case of Medicare, it doesn't. For example, let's say that Bob works his whole life for the minimum wage and Bill is in the top 10% of wage earners. The difference in the amounts that each of them paid into the Medicare system while they worked is irrelevant to their Medicare benefit. In either case, if they paid into the Medicare system for at just 10 years, they both qualify for it.

This is a very simple concept, it's troubling that you can't seem to grasp it.
 
No, that is how you like to think of it. In the case of Social Security, the amount you pay in has a relationship to the amount you qualify for. In the case of Medicare, it doesn't. For example, let's say that Bob works his whole life for the minimum wage and Bill is in the top 10% of wage earners. The difference in the amounts that each of them paid into the Medicare system while they worked is irrelevant to their Medicare benefit. In either case, if they paid into the Medicare system for at just 10 years, they both qualify for it.

This is a very simple concept, it's troubling that you can't seem to grasp it.

Oh, I grasp it quite well, you apparently don't. It is my money, I contributed to Medicare for 35 years paying premiums that I am now collecting on and entitled to. Seems like a rather simple concept that you refuse to acknowledge. In addition I am paying $180 a month in addition and have used none of that since retirement as my health has been very good. The fact that you begrudge people for getting benefits out of their investment is quite telling. Who in the hell are you to tell anyone that their social security benefits(entitlements funded by FICA taxes) aren't entitled to a return on that investment with interest and aren't entitled to healthcare benefits through their Medicare premium payments during their work career. This has to be an act as no education system is this poor to create people like you and the other poster
 
Oh, I grasp it quite well, you apparently don't. It is my money, I contributed to Medicare for 35 years paying premiums that I am now collecting on and entitled to. Seems like a rather simple concept that you refuse to acknowledge. In addition I am paying $180 a month in addition and have used none of that since retirement as my health has been very good. The fact that you begrudge people for getting benefits out of their investment is quite telling. Who in the hell are you to tell anyone that their social security benefits(entitlements funded by FICA taxes) aren't entitled to a return on that investment with interest and aren't entitled to healthcare benefits through their Medicare premium payments during their work career. This has to be an act as no education system is this poor to create people like you and the other poster

Please cite the law that says the money you contributed to Medicare in taxes was your money and not as I point out, paying into the system for those that were drawing Medicare at the time.

Also, 180 a month is nothing for health insurance. Typical premiums for a young family these days run 12k to 18k a year. For someone your age, it would be 3 times that much or more.

You paid into a socialized medicine program while you worked. That then qualified you for that socialized medicine program. It is no different than any other socialized medicine program on earth in that people pay taxes for. You just like to construct your own alternate reality that somehow for you its different...
 
Yes it was, it is called thinking ahead and taking personal responsibility for myself and my family.

Yes, why would I opt out of insurance for my family during my employment? Is this a joke or an act on your part. Your questions make no sense. I paid 35 years of Medicare premiums while also paying private sector premiums. Now I am retired no longer paying private sector premiums and getting insurance coverage for my Medicare Premiums plus I am paying for a supplemental. Your post makes no sense at all

you said you were forced and that you didn't receive a due benefit....sorry, can't have it both ways...you were certainly free to choose not to take on that bill.
 
No, I don't think you do. What federal taxes fund teachers, fire departments, hospitals? What federal taxes fund state and local highways and infrastructure? What taxes fund national defense, Congress, the VA, HHS, Commerce, etc?

Waiting for why you think it is appropriate to deduct your state and local taxes from your federal return thus reducing your federal tax liabilities?

who says we are only talking about federal funds? Hospitals and schools indeed get federal funds...do you know what they are funded through? They also receive state funds..but they do receive federal.
 
Please cite the law that says the money you contributed to Medicare in taxes was your money and not as I point out, paying into the system for those that were drawing Medicare at the time.

Also, 180 a month is nothing for health insurance. Typical premiums for a young family these days run 12k to 18k a year. For someone your age, it would be 3 times that much or more.

You paid into a socialized medicine program while you worked. That then qualified you for that socialized medicine program. It is no different than any other socialized medicine program on earth in that people pay taxes for. You just like to construct your own alternate reality that somehow for you its different...

I think he really believes he was paying private insurance rates...what he doesn't realize is that a group rate is deeply discounted and even with that deep discount, the employer pays part of that premium for him. A private insurance premium for me would cost around $1500 a month...just for me.
 
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