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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by j brown's body View Post
    Gee, with their record profits and corporate tax cuts, I'm surprised rhey aren't in a position to weather the storm. What happened to all that money?
    Let not your heart be troubled. The Flight attendant union president was on MSNBC last night bragging about how she, and the Democrats fought a got control of how the bill was written. She said this bill was aimed at making sure the workers are taken care of first. That covers pilots, mechanics, all union workers will be taken care of first. After that, then what’s left will cover the “Airlines” over head cost. I guess things like parts, fuel, planes, stuff like that can make due with what’s left.

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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Word salad.
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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Oh I am sure they would serve our markets.
    In fact, since each passenger is going to have to sit 6' away from any other passenger, they will be flying a lot more aircraft - right?
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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    In fact, since each passenger is going to have to sit 6' away from any other passenger, they will be flying a lot more aircraft - right?
    That is compensated by the fact that so few people are flying these days. At half loads or less, it would not be difficult to have 6 foot spacing between passengers.

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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

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    United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Obviously our domestic airlines industry is going to require a pretty significant bailout if they are to survive this. However, we would be crazy not to put some conditions on it. For example, they should have to agree to do away with domestic baggage fees.
    They can get zero interest fee loans like everybody else in business to recover. And no backing back stock to enrich only their investors.
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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    incorrect on more than several levels.
    No. I was correct that you present word salad. When you aren't peddling Platitude on Rye.
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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    No. I was correct that you present word salad. When you aren't peddling Platitude on Rye.
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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    That is compensated by the fact that so few people are flying these days. At half loads or less, it would not be difficult to have 6 foot spacing between passengers.
    What you might find amusing is

    "The cost of operating a commercial aircraft can be broken down into two main categories: airborne cost and ground cost. The airborne costs are the actual costs of flying the aircraft; the ground costs are the cost of the airframe, engine maintenance, as well as airport and hangar expenses. Both are typically measured hourly and are broken down per mile. The cost per seat mile is the cost of flying one passenger one mile and is used to measure operating costs. The average cost per seat mile is around 7 to 8 cents for low cost carriers and 11 to 12 cents for network carriers.

    Labor and fuel are the largest expenses, accounting for about 12% of the total cost. On average, a pilot’s salary begins at $36,000 and caps around $196,000. The average fuel consumption per 100 kilometers is 3.035 liters (78.5 mpg) for turbo props, 3.126 liters (76.3 mpg) for regional jets, 2.405 liters (100.5 mpg) for short haul, 2.74 liters (86.8 mpg) for medium haul, and 2.959 (80.84 mpg) liters for long haul."
    [SOURCE]

    That means that since the air travel shortest distance between New York and Los Angeles is 2,451 miles, it costs the airlines $294.12 (at 12¢/mi) to fly a passenger that distance (and that is assuming that the aircraft is full). The cheapest seat that I could find was a JetBlue super economy one at $83.00 but the stipulations surrounding getting that fare make it more of a bait and switch than an actual price. The major airlines (including JetBlue) appear to have a common price of $249.00 as their "realistic" lowest fare.

    If the aircraft is a 500 seater and is flying with only 100 passengers, then the cost per OCCUPIED passenger seat becomes 60¢/mi and that would mean that the "break even" fare would be $1,470.60. Now, a fare of $1,470.60 is obviously impractical, that means that the government is going to have to provide a subsidy of around $88,236 per flight just to ensure that Americans can fly from New York to Disneyland.
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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Obviously our domestic airlines industry is going to require a pretty significant bailout if they are to survive this. However, we would be crazy not to put some conditions on it. For example, they should have to agree to do away with domestic baggage fees.
    Will never happen. Airlines wont forgo 5 billion in revenue. Now that bag fees are here they are here to stay. I am just thinking the what next fee they will think off. Maybe a seat fee where if you dont pay you just have to stand?

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    Re: United Airlines warns of massive layoffs without federal aid

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    They can get zero interest fee loans like everybody else in business to recover. And no backing back stock to enrich only their investors.
    You do realize that one of the things that delayed the bail-out bill was that the "Republicans" (whatever that means) DID NOT want that "no stock buy backs" provision in the bill and the "Democrats" (whatever that means) DID want that "no stock buy backs" provision in the bill. Of course, if

    1. all of the no interest loan money is put into "Bank Account A", and
      *
    2. all of the fare revenue is put into "Bank Account B", and
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    3. the money withdrawn from "Bank Account A" is used SOLELY for operating expenses, and
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    4. some of the money from "Bank Account B" is used for operating expenses, and
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    5. the rest of the money from "Bank Account B" is used for stock buy backs


    then the provision that none of the loan money be used for stock buy backs has been scrupulously observed.
    Summary of 20/06/06 COVID-19 (Deaths/Cases) Mortality Statistics
    World (398,698/6,875,464) 5.80% / USA (111,398/1,966,260) 5.67% / Canada (7,703/94,335) 8.17%
    Running update of the COVID-19 data at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19

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