Dow wipes out gains under Trump’s presidency

bearpoker said:

He's certainly true to form tonight! Predictable as a monarch butterfly, but not as pretty.:mrgreen:

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What is predictable is the left will never change, always placing blame, promoting class envy, jealousy, politics of personal destruction and never accepting responsibility. Liberalism really has made a fool out of a lot of good people

bearpoker said:

He's certainly true to form tonight! Predictable as a monarch butterfly, but not as pretty.:mrgreen:

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Yeah, with everybody on this thread he has defaulted to declaring that they simply don't understand civics, while parading around numbers as if those numbers (sometimes altered) negate the very clear GDP measurements. He always tries to complicate simple facts because he knows that the simple facts won't allow him his fantasized version of reality. If he can introduce enough nonsense into the equation, he gets to feel as if what he believes is legitimate, thus supporting his radical right-wing rag material.

One time he actually tried to insist that GDP doesn't really matter because of digital currency. Yes, he actually tried to replace GDP with cryptocurrency in order to promote his bad arguments. And, of course, he will insist that the Great Depression wasn't that bad, thus trying to brand Obama as incompetent and malicious as possible in not getting America upright fast enough.

And when he gets blasted for his obvious nonsense, he resorts to whining about "the left" as if this somehow automatically offers him credibility and allows him to escape reality long enough to scurry back to FOX News for his comfort. I mean, when people have to stoop to these levels to preserve their busted ideologies, they clearly have no idea what they are talking about and have long abandoned logic, reason, rationale, and common sense. But these are the same people who spent a decade believing that Trump's birth certificate is a fraud, that global Warming is a Liberal hoax and a Chinese hoax, that tomato paste is a vegetable, and that their absurd world-views would be realized if only the "deep state" would allow it. It's just such a tragic thing that these people actually have the right to vote and to determine who gets to be the most powerful individual on the planet.

bearpoker said:

He's certainly true to form tonight! Predictable as a monarch butterfly, but not as pretty.:mrgreen:

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I actually feel bad for people like "Conservative". Years of being told by right wing media and pundits that Democrats/Liberals are the anti christ, and how Obama was a foreign born Muslim terrorist sympathizer with a fake birth certificate, only to then worship a Reality T.V. Star who was a Hillary Clinton supporter and Democrat not too long ago, it's a whole lot of propaganda and hatred ingrained into the modern day "conservatives" brain. It must be tough to be angry all the time, and think the whole world is against you, as you watch your ideology fail in every aspect all the time.

Puigb said:

I actually feel bad for people like "Conservative". Years of being told by right wing media and pundits that Democrats/Liberals are the anti christ, and how Obama was a foreign born Muslim terrorist sympathizer with a fake birth certificate, only to then worship a Reality T.V. Star who was a Hillary Clinton supporter and Democrat not too long ago, it's a whole lot of propaganda and hatred ingrained into the modern day "conservatives" brain. It must be tough to be angry all the time, and think the whole world is against you, as you watch your ideology fail in every aspect all the time.

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But they just deny the failure or blame it on liberals. It's always the same. We'll have to drag the country out of another Republican ****hole that they've dug it into yet again.

bearpoker said:

But they just deny the failure or blame it on liberals. It's always the same. We'll have to drag the country out of another Republican ****hole that they've dug it into yet again.

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Funny thing is citizen Trump acknowledged this fact years ago:

MSgt said:

Yeah, with everybody on this thread he has defaulted to declaring that they simply don't understand civics, while parading around numbers as if those numbers (sometimes altered) negate the very clear GDP measurements. He always tries to complicate simple facts because he knows that the simple facts won't allow him his fantasized version of reality. If he can introduce enough nonsense into the equation, he gets to feel as if what he believes is legitimate, thus supporting his radical right-wing rag material.

One time he actually tried to insist that GDP doesn't really matter because of digital currency. Yes, he actually tried to replace GDP with cryptocurrency in order to promote his bad arguments. And, of course, he will insist that the Great Depression wasn't that bad, thus trying to brand Obama as incompetent and malicious as possible in not getting America upright fast enough.

And when he gets blasted for his obvious nonsense, he resorts to whining about "the left" as if this somehow automatically offers him credibility and allows him to escape reality long enough to scurry back to FOX News for his comfort. I mean, when people have to stoop to these levels to preserve their busted ideologies, they clearly have no idea what they are talking about and have long abandoned logic, reason, rationale, and common sense. But these are the same people who spent a decade believing that Trump's birth certificate is a fraud, that global Warming is a Liberal hoax and a Chinese hoax, that tomato paste is a vegetable, and that their absurd world-views would be realized if only the "deep state" would allow it. It's just such a tragic thing that these people actually have the right to vote and to determine who gets to be the most powerful individual on the planet.

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You are truly a legend in your own mind, totally and completely factually wrong and basically factually illiterate. Results matter and you still cannot explain how that great Obama economy and positive trends led to the loss of the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16. Results matter and the people will always vote their self interests which are economic except with radicals and it is social. You totally ignore your own state and local responsibilities always blaming everything on the President when it is a Republican and trying to re-write the Obama legacy.

this is a great country in spite of people like you who claim to have served but have no understanding of loyalty, America first, personal responsibility, state and local responsibilities, and you always buy what you are told from others you want to believe. Trump isn't the evil person you have been conditioned to believe and the results show that he has been an asset to this country taking over from a President who had no business in the Oval office based upon his resume.

Puigb said:

Funny thing is citizen Trump acknowledged this fact years ago:

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Why don't you post the data to support that claim and this time try posting data in context? Do you know what Congress does?? The best years of Obama were 2014 with sequester, 2015 and 2016 with regards to the budget with a Republican Congress but then again it is apparent that you don't know what Congress does

bearpoker said:

But they just deny the failure or blame it on liberals. It's always the same. We'll have to drag the country out of another Republican ****hole that they've dug it into yet again.

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Republican "****holes"? Keep ignoring that California the bluest state in the nation leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, poorest quality of life, pollution, wage gap, cost of living, illegal immigration but because it has pretty beaches the results are ignored. Who do you blame for the failures in California, Republicans that haven't had control of the legislature since the 60's?

You and the rest of the left don't seem to grasp state and local responsibilities nor the role of the President who cannot order businesses to do anything whereas the state and local governments can. I feel badly for people like you so indoctrinated by the left that you cannot see the forest for the trees. Liberalism is all about spending in the name of compassion while ignoring actual results which is nothing more than a massive central gov't talking over personal responsibility issues.

The stock market will recovery UNDER Trump, not Biden and that is reality because conservative principles work, not liberalism that doesn't change personal behavior

Puigb said:

I actually feel bad for people like "Conservative". Years of being told by right wing media and pundits that Democrats/Liberals are the anti christ, and how Obama was a foreign born Muslim terrorist sympathizer with a fake birth certificate, only to then worship a Reality T.V. Star who was a Hillary Clinton supporter and Democrat not too long ago, it's a whole lot of propaganda and hatred ingrained into the modern day "conservatives" brain. It must be tough to be angry all the time, and think the whole world is against you, as you watch your ideology fail in every aspect all the time.

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Here is a perfect example of liberalism where it is posted that people being told something buys the rhetoric and ignores the results. That is liberalism. I spent 35 years in the private sector and have been told a lot of things, mostly by liberals who I find think with their heart and not their brains. Results matter except to people like you who are so arrogant that you think you can do what other previous groups of liberal couldn't do, create that utopia you believe exists. You refuse to accept that human behavior has to be changed and cannot be bought by simply throwing money at the problem.

You don't see conservatives whining about what someone else pays in taxes or earns in income. You don't see conservatives promoting massive central gov't to provide personal responsibility issues. You do see liberals promoting chaos, politics of personal destruction, class envy, jealousy none of which addresses the real problems facing this country, the moral decline created by people like you

The stock market will recover but noticed that there was complete silence when it went over 29 k but now because of the coronavirus has dropped back to levels not seen since Obama left office it is all Trump's fault. It apparently isn't tough for people like you to ignore reality and actual results

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Ok.... so what?

That doesn’t mean anything in relation to my point.

China has unleashed plague number 4 in 20 years on the world. It’s time for a serious discussion about international cooperation aimed at coercing political reform in China. We need to make them a giant North Korea if they don’t acede to demands like

1) properly regulating hygiene at food markets
2) signing a treaty allowing full and open access to outside medical observers to their country
3) substantial political reform to include multiparty elections and elimination of non-emergency censorship

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A list that has remarkable similarities in tone to the list that Austria-Hungary delivered to Serbia in 1914 and we all know how well that turned out.

TU Curmudgeon said:

A list that has remarkable similarities in tone to the list that Austria-Hungary delivered to Serbia in 1914 and we all know how well that turned out.

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Except we don’t need to use war. China’s economy is far weaker then most people realize, they’d be an oversized Iran if the top three economies in Europe and the USA just sanctioned them.

Oh and also we should recognize Taiwan and station substantial military forces there. Just to rub their eye in it.

Communists never want to fight. They will ALWAYS back down when pushed. Just like the USSR backed down every time we had a president with balls tell them no.

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Except we don’t need to use war. China’s economy is far weaker then most people realize, they’d be an oversized Iran if the top three economies in Europe and the USA just sanctioned them.

Oh and also we should recognize Taiwan and station substantial military forces there. Just to rub their eye in it.

Communists never want to fight. They will ALWAYS back down when pushed. Just like the USSR backed down every time we had a president with balls tell them no.

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Times have changed. 1/3 of America is now proud of their ignorance. They literally cheer when their leader tells them they're a bunch of morons.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'


Any modern country whose population largely eschews education is going to left behind. That's what is happening to the USA compared to China. Find a Chinese immigrant, and tell them they shouldn't send their children to University because they're "Leftist Training Grounds". See how well that goes over.

EMNofSeattle said:

Trump has no real responsibility here. You cannot show any way he acted that would’ve been both legal and sufficient in the early stages. What is happening now is unprecedented in the memory of anyone alive today. There’s no examples of any western governments either in Europe or Latin America where this was handled better then the US.

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Really?

The US has an infection rate of 69/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 1.266%).

The UK has an infection rate of 60/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 5.691%).

China has an infection rate of 56/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 4.018%).

Greece has an infection rate of 51/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 2.453%).

Australia has an infection rate of 42/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 0.653%).

Canada has an infection rate of 29/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 1.196%).

Chile has an infection rate of 29/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 19.181%).

Ecuador has an infection rate of 29/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 15.810%).

Roumania has an infection rate of 19/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 16.076%).

Poland has an infection rate of 13/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 13.618%).

Russia has an infection rate of 2/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 17.320%).

So there are 10 countries that have LOWER infection rates than the US, and of that list 2 have lower mortality rates than the US.

You should also be aware that the (first wave of) COVID-19 has subsided in all of those countries EXCEPT for the United States of America.

Now, if you compare those mortality rates after normalizing for GDP per capita (in order to accurately compare "ability to pay"), what you get is

Australia ..... 0.653 x 53,379 ==== 34,856.487
Canada ....... 1.196 x 50,725 ==== 60,667.1
Greece ....... 2.453 x 30,252 ===== 74,208.156
China ......... 4.018 x 19,504 ===== 78.367.072

The US ....... 1.266 x 65,112 ===== 82,431.792

Ecuador ....... 15.110 x 11,743 ==== 177,436.73
UK ............... 5.691 x 46,827 ===== 266,492.457
Roumania ..... 16.076 x 27,998 ==== 450,095.848
Chile ........... 19.181 x 26,317 ==== 504,786.377
Russia ......... 17.320 x 29,642 ==== 513,399.44
Poland ......... 16.318 x 33,891 ==== 553,033.338

You might not have noticed it, but the US is in a bit of an anomalous position in that it has more "ability to pay" than either of Australia, Canada, Greece, or China but scores lower than all four of them.

PS _ I know that Australia is NOT in either Europe or South America, but if I hadn't included it then Canada would have come out on top of the list and that would be bragging (even though the facts justified it)

MSgt said:

You are of the opinion that history began the moment Trump bent towards reality and agreed with Democrats. I am of the opinion that a good leader wouldn't have spent months pretending that this is nothing before busting a complete 180 over night. Thus, if it is a "good thing," in your opinion, then where was your criticism during his complacency? Nowhere, because you are a good conservative who obeys Trump's whims no matter that takes you.

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???? Biden called Trump xenophobic for banning travel from China on Jan 31st. And Im not sure biden has yet bent from that position. Schuemer said "The premature travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing was against immigrants" And I didn't see this complacency you speak of. Calmness in the face of crisis isn't complacency. Much was made of his suggestion that the WHO calculation of a mortality rate of 3.4% was an over estimation and that it would likely be below 1% in the US will probably end up being true. Down to 1.19% now in the US.
No doubt you would prefer he instill panic in the population.
Is "complacency" an impeachable offense?

TU Curmudgeon said:

Really?

The US has an infection rate of 69/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 1.266%).

The UK has an infection rate of 60/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 5.691%).

China has an infection rate of 56/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 4.018%).

Greece has an infection rate of 51/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 2.453%).

Australia has an infection rate of 42/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 0.653%).

Canada has an infection rate of 29/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 1.196%).

Chile has an infection rate of 29/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 19.181%).

Ecuador has an infection rate of 29/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 15.810%).

Roumania has an infection rate of 19/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 16.076%).

Poland has an infection rate of 13/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 13.618%).

Russia has an infection rate of 2/1,000,000 (mortality rate of 17.320%).

So there are 10 countries that have LOWER infection rates than the US, and of that list 2 have lower mortality rates than the US.

You should also be aware that the (first wave of) COVID-19 has subsided in all of those countries EXCEPT for the United States of America.

Now, if you compare those mortality rates after normalizing for GDP per capita (in order to accurately compare "ability to pay"), what you get is

Australia ..... 0.653 x 53,379 ==== 34,856.487
Canada ....... 1.196 x 50,725 ==== 60,667.1
Greece ....... 2.453 x 30,252 ===== 74,208.156
China ......... 4.018 x 19,504 ===== 78.367.072

The US ....... 1.266 x 65,112 ===== 82,431.792

Ecuador ....... 15.110 x 11,743 ==== 177,436.73
UK ............... 5.691 x 46,827 ===== 266,492.457
Roumania ..... 16.076 x 27,998 ==== 450,095.848
Chile ........... 19.181 x 26,317 ==== 504,786.377
Russia ......... 17.320 x 29,642 ==== 513,399.44
Poland ......... 16.318 x 33,891 ==== 553,033.338

You might not have noticed it, but the US is in a bit of an anomalous position in that it has more "ability to pay" than either of Australia, Canada, Greece, or China but scores lower than all four of them.

PS _ I know that Australia is NOT in either Europe or South America, but if I hadn't included it then Canada would have come out on top of the list and that would be bragging (even though the facts justified it)

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Canada
Coronavirus Cases: 1,205

Deaths: 18
Canada Coronavirus: 1,205 Cases and 18 Deaths - Worldometer
1.49% mortality rate


United States
Coronavirus Cases: 24,142

Deaths: 288
United States Coronavirus: 24,142 Cases and 288 Deaths - Worldometer
1.19% mortality rate.

And Im not fool enough to attribute the differences to the differences between Trump and Trudeau's performance.

dixon01767 said:

???? Biden called Trump xenophobic for banning travel from China on Jan 31st. And Im not sure biden has yet bent from that position. Schuemer said "The premature travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing was against immigrants" And I didn't see this complacency you speak of. Calmness in the face of crisis isn't complacency. Much was made of his suggestion that the WHO calculation of a mortality rate of 3.4% was an over estimation and that it would likely be below 1% in the US will probably end up being true. Down to 1.19% now in the US.
No doubt you would prefer he instill panic in the population.
Is "complacency" an impeachable offense?

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Biden is not "the Democrats." Biden is Biden. It was the Democrats who were pressuring Trump to wake the hell up. And it was complacency, not calmness, that Trump presented to you. It was his complacency that you all were celebrating as he wore a re-election hat to a crisis center. It was complacency that the stock market was somewhat negatively reacting too. And when Trump opened his mouth to double down on that complacency on March 11, the stock markets dove even further. Two days later he was flipped a 180, sought Democratic assistance, and began to pretend that he knows what being a good leader is...in a USA hat.

Calmness: The state or quality of being free from agitation or strong emotion.

Complacency: a feeling of smug or uncritical satisfaction with oneself.

Trump's smug dismissal of the media, health officials, and the Democrats for months, or complacency, should not be confused for being a calm rational leader. Your need to distract yourself from Trump's example as President by whining about Biden is merely more of the same of the whining seen about Obama. Anything, but criticize the piece of **** right in front of you.

Complacency is not an impeachable offense. Being traitor is. But...you people proved fine with that too, didn't you?

Conservative said:

...this is a great country in spite of people like you ....

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Well, I'm not the one supporting treason, am I? Nor am I the one altering data and lying in order to support a draft-dodging traitor. Nor am I the one who's entire world-view is shaped by radical right-wing propaganda. Nor am I the one who consistently proves that where Trump sways you sway, even with neo-Nazis and White Supremacists in the crowd. You behave like a 1930s German conservative, completely infatuated with leader who tells you what to think.

Maybe one day you will use un-altered data to promote actual results for a man who actually deserves your affection. You serve an delusional idea, nothing more.

Conservative said:

...he has been an asset to this country...

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Again...

- Trump walked away from a billion dollar deal in TPP, only to create a million dollar deal with Japan.

- Trump's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act has proven to have relieved the wealthy elite of paying their taxes. I assume you paid yours for 2018.

- Trump has long taken undue credit for the economic trend he clearly inherited, and your need to make this true has involved proven deceit and lying.

- Trump's war on immigration is clearly a matter of exploiting your emotional irrationality as he sends Marines to fill sandbags and Republican farms continue to employ illegals.

- Trump's NAFTA reform is going to increase illegal immigration from the car industry, just like NAFTA increased illegal immigration from the farm industry.

- Trump's clear treason over Ukraine was excused by you and your petrified Senators.

- Trump & Co. routinely denigrates the military to your cheer.

- Trump's walking away from the Iran deal and deepening economic sanctions only endangered Israel and pushed Iran closer to China's orbit.

- Trump paraded himself around as peacemaker, while North Korea was still developing its missile program.

- Trump's walking away from the Kurds handed the Syrian territory over to Iranian and Russian influence, thus endangering Israel.

- Trump's trade war with China resulted in bailouts to American farmers and a deal that resets us to the beginning. Personal responsibility?

- Trump cannot maintain a professional core around him because he insists on seeing expertise as a threat to his autocratic ego, thus his habitual fumbling.

- Trump played down the virus while denigrating the media and Democrats, only to flip-flop and issue an emergency while embracing Democrat plans and issuing bailouts to corporations. Personal responsibility?

I mean, the man metaphorically puts his ass in your face and you choose to kiss it with a thank you. Oh, and after allowing Trump to take credit as the share indexes climbed during his presidency, Twitter at least 131 times, you now seek to remove him from the economy these days. This is just more proof of your pathetic partisan slavery...

The Dow Jones Industrial Average of 30 major American companies fell more than 4.5% on Friday, erasing all the gains it had made since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.

At briefings this week, Mr Trump has said he is not worried about the economy in the long-run, arguing that business will bounce back after the pandemic eases and restrictions can be relaxed.

For now, however, the upheavals are severe.

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Trump is right about the economy eventually relaxing, but once again wrong about touting restrictions, since this didn't happen until after he announced the emergency and stocks were already falling. But once again we see a wealthy elite promoting the idea of deregulation (1929....2007-08). Here, he is at least being more honest about how little he has to do with it. That is, of course, unless we look at artificial injections such as what he did in late 2017, in order to create a temporary boost, until it settled down to a 2.3 in 2019.

The worst President in American history is an asset to you? Say's much about you and what you think of the country. It tells me and others that you have very little knowledge base about foreign policy or anything else outside of your own tiny comfortable bubble. He is an American and conservative anti-thesis; and exactly who the Founding Fathers warned us about. So, is it a homosexual thing that you have for him or something? Give it up. You are obviously the epitome of the FOX News victim who absolutely needed a man like Donald Trump to come along to make you feel better. And the sad thing is that you have no idea just why you are so saturated with seething hatred and irrational fear.

MSgt said:

Biden is not "the Democrats." Biden is Biden. It was the Democrats who were pressuring Trump to wake the hell up.

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Making themselves look the fools. Didn't see this complacency you speak of and certainly never witnessed any need for Trump to wake up

MSgt said:

Well, I'm not the one supporting treason, am I? Nor am I the one altering data and lying in order to support a draft-dodging traitor. Nor am I the one who's entire world-view is shaped by radical right-wing propaganda. Nor am I the one who consistently proves that where Trump sways you sway, even with neo-Nazis and White Supremacists in the crowd. You behave like a 1930s German conservative, completely infatuated with leader who tells you what to think.

Maybe one day you will use un-altered data to promote actual results for a man who actually deserves your affection. You serve an delusional idea, nothing more.



Again...

- Trump walked away from a billion dollar deal in TPP, only to create a million dollar deal with Japan.

- Trump's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act has proven to have relieved the wealthy elite of paying their taxes. I assume you paid yours for 2018.

- Trump has long taken undue credit for the economic trend he clearly inherited, and your need to make this true has involved proven deceit and lying.

- Trump's war on immigration is clearly a matter of exploiting your emotional irrationality as he sends Marines to fill sandbags and Republican farms continue to employ illegals.

- Trump's NAFTA reform is going to increase illegal immigration from the car industry, just like NAFTA increased illegal immigration from the farm industry.

- Trump's clear treason over Ukraine was excused by you and your petrified Senators.

- Trump & Co. routinely denigrates the military to your cheer.

- Trump's walking away from the Iran deal and deepening economic sanctions only endangered Israel and pushed Iran closer to China's orbit.

- Trump paraded himself around as peacemaker, while North Korea was still developing its missile program.

- Trump's walking away from the Kurds handed the Syrian territory over to Iranian and Russian influence, thus endangering Israel.

- Trump's trade war with China resulted in bailouts to American farmers and a deal that resets us to the beginning. Personal responsibility?

- Trump cannot maintain a professional core around him because he insists on seeing expertise as a threat to his autocratic ego, thus his habitual fumbling.

- Trump played down the virus while denigrating the media and Democrats, only to flip-flop and issue an emergency while embracing Democrat plans and issuing bailouts to corporations. Personal responsibility?

I mean, the man metaphorically puts his ass in your face and you choose to kiss it with a thank you. Oh, and after allowing Trump to take credit as the share indexes climbed during his presidency, Twitter at least 131 times, you now seek to remove him from the economy these days. This is just more proof of your pathetic partisan slavery...



Trump is right about the economy eventually relaxing, but once again wrong about touting restrictions, since this didn't happen until after he announced the emergency and stocks were already falling. But once again we see a wealthy elite promoting the idea of deregulation (1929....2007-08). Here, he is at least being more honest about how little he has to do with it. That is, of course, unless we look at artificial injections such as what he did in late 2017, in order to create a temporary boost, until it settled down to a 2.3 in 2019.

The worst President in American history is an asset to you? Say's much about you and what you think of the country. It tells me and others that you have very little knowledge base about foreign policy or anything else outside of your own tiny comfortable bubble. He is an American and conservative anti-thesis; and exactly who the Founding Fathers warned us about. So, is it a homosexual thing that you have for him or something? Give it up. You are obviously the epitome of the FOX News victim who absolutely needed a man like Donald Trump to come along to make you feel better. And the sad thing is that you have no idea just why you are so saturated with seething hatred and irrational fear.

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No, you are the one posting novels of fiction making up charges as you go along. You have zero credibility in determining the worst President in history as your knowledge of civics, economics, and history is skewed by your own hatred. I feel so sorry for people like you who cannot accept personal responsibility and place blame based upon pure ignorance. You called me a liar, posting no proof. You posted GDP numbers without any context as you don't understand the components of GDP. You totally ignore the official data and post predictions not FACT. Nothing you posted is factual, just left wing rhetoric and predictions. You offer no viable alternative and nothing is going to change your mind

MSgt;1071541979]Well, I'm not the one supporting treason, am I? Nor am I the one altering data and lying in order to support a draft-dodging traitor. Nor am I the one who's entire world-view is shaped by radical right-wing propaganda. Nor am I the one who consistently proves that where Trump sways you sway, even with neo-Nazis and White Supremacists in the crowd. You behave like a 1930s German conservative, completely infatuated with leader who tells you what to think.

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Treason?? What is your definition of treason and give us examples? Draft dodging?? Is that treason? History is filled with so called draft dodgers in political positions, do you have to serve to put your country first??

Maybe one day you will use un-altered data to promote actual results for a man who actually deserves your affection. You serve an delusional idea, nothing more.

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Noticed that you continue to run from the actual results never addressing them in your fiction novels. Emotional rhetoric is all that you have and you call my support affection ignoring again that my affection is for the results

Again...

- Trump walked away from a billion dollar deal in TPP, only to create a million dollar deal with Japan.

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Prove it with data?

- Trump's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act has proven to have relieved the wealthy elite of paying their taxes. I assume you paid yours for 2018.

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How do you give a tax cut to people who don't pay FIT and where is your proof that all taxpayers didn't get a FIT cut? You are just pissed because you live in a blue state where your high state and local taxes aren't fully deductible

- Trump has long taken undue credit for the economic trend he clearly inherited, and your need to make this true has involved proven deceit and lying.

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Again with the name calling and focus on trends, not the trends showing the worst recovery in history from a major recession or a trend that showed the GDP dollar growth declining when Trump took office or the fact that the U-6 and Part time for economic reason employment was higher when Obama left office than it was when the recession began. economic trends are irrlevant the doubling of GDP dollar growth WITHOUT massive stimulus federal spending isn't. The number one component of GDP has already exceeded Obama's 8 years of growth

- Trump's war on immigration is clearly a matter of exploiting your emotional irrationality as he sends Marines to fill sandbags and Republican farms continue to employ illegals.

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Personal opiniion Republican farms???? Prove that "Republican" Farms exist and that they are employing illegals? Do you live in California?

- Trump's NAFTA reform is going to increase illegal immigration from the car industry, just like NAFTA increased illegal immigration from the farm industry.

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Personal opinion backed by nothing

- Trump's clear treason over Ukraine was excused by you and your petrified Senators.

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Investigating Biden is treason?? ROFLMAO

- Trump & Co. routinely denigrates the military to your cheer.

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The military got the biggest pay raise in over a decade and isn't being used like it has been in the past as world policemen. That really bothers you, why?

- Trump's walking away from the Iran deal and deepening economic sanctions only endangered Israel and pushed Iran closer to China's orbit.

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Your support of anything anti American is noticed and dismissed. Israel supports Trump not Biden or the Democrats. Stop making things up and showing nothing but your own ignorance

Israelis support Trump more than almost any other nation, poll shows - U.S. News - Haaretz.com

The country where Trump enjoys the highest level of confidence is the Philippines, with 77 percent of support. Israel came second, with 71 percent of respondents giving him a vote of confidence.

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- Trump paraded himself around as peacemaker, while North Korea was still developing its missile program.

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So the NK nuclear program began when Trump took office? You really have a problem with a President meeting our enemies. How has Trump's NK policies impacted you or this country?

- Trump's walking away from the Kurds handed the Syrian territory over to Iranian and Russian influence, thus endangering Israel.

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Personal opinion, ISIS has been severely weakened if not destroyed

- Trump's trade war with China resulted in bailouts to American farmers and a deal that resets us to the beginning. Personal responsibility?

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So currency manipulation and intellectual property theft is warranted in your world and Farmers should be penalized for foreign gov't actions? You are clueless regarding American first policies and obviously live in the wrong country

- Trump cannot maintain a professional core around him because he insists on seeing expertise as a threat to his autocratic ego, thus his habitual fumbling.

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Trump is a CEO not a politician and you have and show no understanding of the private sector or private sector leadership

- Trump played down the virus while denigrating the media and Democrats, only to flip-flop and issue an emergency while embracing Democrat plans and issuing bailouts to corporations. Personal responsibility?

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So you wanted a President to create U.S. panic and you still want to ignore state and local responsibilities. You have no understanding of state and local gov't and their independence. Never took a civics class have you?

Not sure where you got your education but your posts are an embarrassment mostly out of the Alinsky book of radicalism

dixon01767 said:

Canada
Coronavirus Cases: 1,205

Deaths: 18
Canada Coronavirus: 1,205 Cases and 18 Deaths - Worldometer
1.49% mortality rate


United States
Coronavirus Cases: 24,142

Deaths: 288
United States Coronavirus: 24,142 Cases and 288 Deaths - Worldometer
1.19% mortality rate.

And Im not fool enough to attribute the differences to the differences between Trump and Trudeau's performance.

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Neither am I, my post was in response to
and clearly shows that
is about as far removed from reality as Mr. Trump's suggestion that disposable masks be cleaned and reused.

PS - If you have (and I'm making up the figures for illustrative purposes only):

1. "Country A" - Infection rate for "X" 80 - Mortality rate from "X" 1.2%
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   and
   *
2. "Country B: - Infection rate for "X" 40 - Mortality rate from "X" 1.5%

is your chance of dying from "X"

• ____ HIGHER in "Country A" than it is in "Country B" [HINT 80 x 1.2 = 96 and 40 x 1.5 = 60];
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• ____ THE SAME in "Country A" as it is in "Country B" [HINT 80 x 1.2 = 96 and 40 x 1.5 = 60];
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  or
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• ____ LOWER in "Country A" than it is in "Country B" [HINT 80 x 1.2 = 96 and 40 x 1.5 = 60]?

PPS - The table also highlighted the difference in effectiveness of the countries based on their "ability to pay". If "There’s no examples of any western governments either in Europe or Latin America where this was handled better then the US." were true (which it isn't) then there should have been a HUGE gap between the **F*I*R*S*T** **P*L*A*C*E** United States of America and every other country. That gap simply does not exist. Whether or not the lack of that gap is due to leadership or not is irrelevant since Mr. Trump has already proclaimed that "I am NOT responsible." and his supporters are loyally echoing the official party line.

PPPS - Would you like to bet that, if that gap DID exist, Mr. Trump would NOT be claiming all the credit and that his supporters would NOT be lauding him to the skies for his divine intervention to save America from the "Clinton/Obama Virus"?

Conservative said:

Why don't you tell us what Biden or Sanders would have done to prevent the Coronavirus?? Why such loyalty to liberalism and such hatred for a President. Interesting how the Stock market setting records didn't resonate with the left but now the drop none of which was due to Trump policies is being promoted as the reason to not re-elect Trump. True socialists, nanny state liberals in this forum

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Who said anything about loving Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders? I said nothing like that in the post you've quoted. I'm merely pointing out where the buck would stop if the chips drastically fall. If you can't handle the reality staring you right in the face, just look away man...look away.

And please, don't come back with some diatribe of how great the Trump economy was or how I or Liberals hoped something like this would happened. Economist have been predicting a recession would come in 2020 since 2018. Don't believe me? Trying reading these articles:

*Rattled Wall Street stock investors fret about a correction (10/10/20018)

*The flat truth on the yield curve and recessions (4/05/2019)

*Ray Dalio, founder of the world’s biggest hedge fund, sees a ‘significant risk’ of a possible US recession in 2020 (1/22/2019)

*Billionaire hedge fund manager Klarman issues dire warning on global economy (1/22/2019)

*Mounting cost add to warries about 2019 U.S. profit growth (10/11/2018)

Granted, none of the above articles mentions anything about a global pandemic, but they DID see that the numbers weren't adding up even in a post-Trump tax cut economy and warned those who paid attention that a global recession at worse, a steep domestic economic decline at best was on the horizon. Now, you can continue to look at things as a normal market correction if you wish - and granted, things looked to be headed that way before COVID-19 - but I think we're way beyond a market correction right now.

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Personal opinion backed by nothing



Investigating Biden is treason?? ROFLMAO



The military got the biggest pay raise in over a decade and isn't being used like it has been in the past as world policemen. That really bothers you, why?



Your support of anything anti American is noticed and dismissed. Israel supports Trump not Biden or the Democrats. Stop making things up and showing nothing but your own ignorance

Israelis support Trump more than almost any other nation, poll shows - U.S. News - Haaretz.com





So the NK nuclear program began when Trump took office? You really have a problem with a President meeting our enemies. How has Trump's NK policies impacted you or this country?



Personal opinion, ISIS has been severely weakened if not destroyed



So currency manipulation and intellectual property theft is warranted in your world and Farmers should be penalized for foreign gov't actions? You are clueless regarding American first policies and obviously live in the wrong country



Trump is a CEO not a politician and you have and show no understanding of the private sector or private sector leadership



So you wanted a President to create U.S. panic and you still want to ignore state and local responsibilities. You have no understanding of state and local gov't and their independence. Never took a civics class have you?

Not sure where you got your education but your posts are an embarrassment mostly out of the Alinsky book of radicalism

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Just picked one of your points about the military raises, and it's a lie. Don;t know why you would not bother fact checking Trumps lies before you spread them as the truth.

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Trump is the only one that can get the economy back on track, as he's done once already. He was able to overcome the Obama malaise, the Wuhan China virus will not be a problem.

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You mean he's one of a few people of great influence who can assuage the fears of Mr. Market. The free market was already "on track" before Trump came into office. ALL indicators make that abundantly clear. Our economy had been on a constant uptick since March 2009. So, Trump didn't put anything "on track". The train was already riding smoothly along. He may have added more fuel to the boiler and accelerated the train along the track, but since March 2009, the train never derailed.