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Dow wipes out gains under Trump’s presidency

JustHanging said:
Your source for what you call "propaganda":
American Thinker - Media Bias/Fact Check
Reasoning: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda, Lack of Ownership Transparency


My source for what you call "propaganda":
New York Times - Media Bias/Fact Check
Factual Reporting: HIGH


Please, don't play into Trump's stereotype of his base.
Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

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So who is Politifact associated with?

PolitiFact | Trump family ‘disallowed’ from operating charities in New York? No.
 
roguenuke said:
We saw Obama handle a similar situation, H1N1. There were some missteps, but it was nothing like this. We didn't see Obama complaining about how people, the media and opponent party, were picking on him, unfairly criticizing him, or pointing out his accomplishments, rather than stepping up and actually taking responsibility, helping. Trump is refusing to help states in this. That is part of the what the Federal Government is for, whether the GOP approves or not. We saw the similar situation handled much better by Obama.

The Facts on Trump's Travel Restrictions - FactCheck.org

A huge difference is that Obama didn't base his leadership off of his ego or unsupported claims on social media. He based it off of facts.
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We didn't see Obama complain because the media licked his ass for 8 years, and crawled on their bellies to please him. Save me the feigned indignation about Trump's complaint; he has ever right to complain.

Leftwingers are pleased the economy is tanking like hell, just ask someone like Bill Maher.
 
roguenuke said:
We saw Obama handle a similar situation, H1N1. There were some missteps, but it was nothing like this. We didn't see Obama complaining about how people, the media and opponent party, were picking on him, unfairly criticizing him, or pointing out his accomplishments, rather than stepping up and actually taking responsibility, helping. Trump is refusing to help states in this. That is part of the what the Federal Government is for, whether the GOP approves or not. We saw the similar situation handled much better by Obama.

The Facts on Trump's Travel Restrictions - FactCheck.org

A huge difference is that Obama didn't base his leadership off of his ego or unsupported claims on social media. He based it off of facts.
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History for Obama is not that old that such errors are how to see this.

Obama stocked his ego daily. Not a few times, but constantly.

His handling of H1N1 given he had the same system Trump inherited led to tens of thousands of Americans dying per year. As of now, they still are dying. Due to it also being true for the Media, they do not call attention t o the fact it still happens. Presidents are poor doctors.
 
American said:
We didn't see Obama complain because the media licked his ass for 8 years, and crawled on their bellies to please him. Save me the feigned indignation about Trump's complaint; he has ever right to complain.

Leftwingers are pleased the economy is tanking like hell, just ask someone like Bill Maher.
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No. It's because he was confident and classy, rose above the criticism rather than feeding it.

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Robertinfremont said:
History for Obama is not that old that such errors are how to see this.

Obama stocked his ego daily. Not a few times, but constantly.

His handling of H1N1 given he had the same system Trump inherited led to tens of thousands of Americans dying per year. As of now, they still are dying. Due to it also being true for the Media, they do not call attention t o the fact it still happens. Presidents are poor doctors.
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Please show any evidence of this garbage you posted.

Tens of thousands of Americans dying per year? Seriously??

Again present evidence.

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MSgt said:
The problem with accusing the vast majority of the world of this is that it relies upon a Donald Trump that hasn't deserved the criticism. Even you can clearly see that Trump's criticism comes from every sector in society. It comes from both the left and the right (your rinos). It comes from all media outlets not fixed within the further right of the media spectrum. It comes from global allied governments and organizations.

No, the true sentiment here is that you people would (and do) offer pure devotion no matter what Trump does. Here, we see you separate Trump from the "socialists" despite Pelosi pulling his socialist strings these days. Even now, you prefer delusions to the reality just to cling to a false idea of what Trump has been and what you prefer "the left" to be. From issuing social programs to bailing out corporations, he is doing everything you routinely bitch about. Yet, you remain pathetically loyal to your delusions of what represents you.
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Pelosi isn't ****, get that straight. She doesn't control what Trump does. That's been clear for 3 years. Corporations are stepping up because of Trump, not Pelosi. Pelosi is in the same crowd as the totalitarian leaderships in California and New York where they are going in full lockdowns. They can't wait to get their little dictatorships going. It's like a socialist's wetdream.
 
roguenuke said:
No. It's because he was confident and classy, rose above the criticism rather than feeding it.

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He never rose above criticism, since there wasn't any. He even tried to kick Fox news out of the White House media pool. Confident my ass. :lol:
 
American said:
Pelosi isn't ****, get that straight. She doesn't control what Trump does. That's been clear for 3 years. Corporations are stepping up because of Trump, not Pelosi. Pelosi is in the same crowd as the totalitarian leaderships in California and New York where they are going in full lockdowns. They can't wait to get their little dictatorships going. It's like a socialist's wetdream.
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Lockdowns will save lives. Drastic measures are entirely justified under current circumstances.
 
Irredentist said:
Lockdowns will save lives. Drastic measures are entirely justified under current circumstances.
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We'll see about that. Lockdowns with fines, and people not being able to get out to take care of their needs.
 
Robertinfremont said:
History for Obama is not that old that such errors are how to see this.

Obama stocked his ego daily. Not a few times, but constantly.
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Oh I remember, I remember. He used Dijon mustard! And he wore Tan suits! And remember that time he didn't wear a flag pin? OMG!!!!!!
 
Conservative said:
Take your fiction novels and put them where the sun doesn't shine, I will stick to facts .....
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Nope. There's that denial again. I see that my list of reality injured your sensibilities. I gave you a list of comprehensive facts that the entire world witnessed and you only retort is to lash out in frustration. You offer only denial and rely heavily on the idea of Trump, not actual Trump. You can't be anymore clear on your sad embarrassing position.

Conservative said:
there is a reason that the socialist states of California and NY lead the nation in the coronavirus along with all other negative issues like unemployment, poverty, homeless, along with being fiscal nightmares and yet you don't seem to have a problem with the official results

Your so called trends don't hold up when compared to context and actual data showing the worst recovery in modern history at a cost of 9.3 trillion added to the debt

As for the real Obama, I can post propaganda too

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._the_ages.html
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Well, we all already now that you deal in right-wing propaganda and clearly your personal need to deny the idiot his earned identity persists. American Thinker is a conservative blog, that deals in opinionated nonsense, much like FOX News. It is right-wing propaganda. So yes, we all know that you have a personal need to swim in that pool. It's amazing how so much of the right-wing media sits within "some reliability issues and/or extremism" while gravitating towards "serious reliability issues and/or extremism."

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And note how right-wing media has shifted closer to the alt-right under Trump's guidance, with a clear gap between it and the center.

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No wonder reality escapes you and all you see is hatred for "the left" for not towing the delusional line that comforts you.
 
American said:
We'll see about that. Lockdowns with fines, and people not being able to get out to take care of their needs.
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The guidelines indicate that essential services will remain open. Keeping everyone at home is the best way to slow the rate of infection.
 
Conservative said:
Your loyalty to Obama and liberalism is on full display, totally misguided and based upon ignorance.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/02/barack_obama_a_traitor_for_the_ages.html
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:lamo

American Thinker - Media Bias/Fact Check
Overall, we rate the American Thinker, Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracy theories/pseudoscience, use of poor sources and several failed fact checks.

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda, Lack of Ownership Transparency
 
JustHanging said:
None of that describes your uninformed rhetoric, nor the fact that you are using fallacious arguments. It is well documented that Trump uses a campaign strategy based on racism and fear, and I provided reputable sources. Quoting Black unemployment figures, an improving trend started under Obama btw, is a fallacious argument.

Now, do you have anything to offer regarding the points under discussion, are you going to continue to use fallacious arguments in an attempt to deflect?
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Care to explain how an improving trend for 8 years that left the U-6 unemployment rate higher than it was at the beginning of the recession benefited the American people?

Care to explain how an improving trend for 8 years that left us with 1.6% GDP growth benefited the American people?

Care to explain to us how the 842 billion stimulus program for shovel ready jobs that had more part time employees for economic reasons at the end of 8 years than when the recession started benefited the American people?

Care to explain to us how 4.3 trillion GDP growth of which 842 billion was federal stimulus spending adding to the GDP in 8 years showed a successful Obama Administration when in 3 years Trump has generated almost 3 trillion in GDP growth? BEA.gov!

Maybe it is those figures that the American people saw and felt that led to the loss of the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16! How do you explain that?
 
JustHanging said:
:lamo

American Thinker - Media Bias/Fact Check
Overall, we rate the American Thinker, Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracy theories/pseudoscience, use of poor sources and several failed fact checks.

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda, Lack of Ownership Transparency
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LOL, is it your position that it is the author or the facts that matter? Extreme right lean doesn't change the facts in context, something you want to ignore. Answer post 240?
 
MSgt said:
Nope. There's that denial again. I see that my list of reality injured your sensibilities. I gave you a list of comprehensive facts that the entire world witnessed and you only retort is to lash out in frustration. You offer only denial and rely heavily on the idea of Trump, not actual Trump. You can't be anymore clear on your sad embarrassing position.




Well, we all already now that you deal in right-wing propaganda and clearly your personal need to deny the idiot his earned identity persists. American Thinker is a conservative blog, that deals in opinionated nonsense, much like FOX News. It is right-wing propaganda. So yes, we all know that you have a personal need to swim in that pool. It's amazing how so much of the right-wing media sits within "some reliability issues and/or extremism" while gravitating towards "serious reliability issues and/or extremism."

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And note how right-wing media has shifted closer to the alt-right under Trump's guidance, with a clear gap between it and the center.

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No wonder reality escapes you and all you see is hatred for "the left" for not towing the delusional line that comforts you.
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What is amazing is how the official sites of bea.gov, bls.gov, and Treasury.org don't support your position or the fiction you are posting

GDP and GDP dollar growth

2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

Facts matter, not your personal opinions or propaganda
 
American said:
Pelosi isn't ****, get that straight. She doesn't control what Trump does. That's been clear for 3 years.
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Such seething and irrational anger. It's OK. "Conservative" is also flipping out in anger because I won't let him pretend with me. Are we seeing once again how conservatives have a personal need to deflect and rage about the truth?:

Democrats in Congress and heavily-affected states had been urging Mr Trump to issue the order, which will also allow more people to qualify for government health insurance.

Later on Friday, US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced she had reached a deal with the White House on a package to assist people affected by the outbreak.

It includes two weeks of paid sick leave and up to three months of paid family and medical leave, free virus testing for those without insurance and food aid.
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Do you know what Trump's real contribution to American society has been? He has forced you all to reveal who you really are. Your support for Trump relies on ignoring Trump, meaning you don;t really support him at all; and your entire political position hinges on simply hating the imagined "left." Here, Trump is taking plays right out of the liberal handbook and you still deal in fantasies just to protect a false illusion of yourself. It's because of this irrationality that you people have betrayed what you at least used to pretend to be and often find yourselves out on limbs where Trump led you. Then scrambling about to create defenses for his next blunder. The first time Trump actually did something positive was when he flip-flopped over night and declared a national emergency, thus acknowledging that the media and Democrats were right all along. You people defended his complacency and now you defend his agreeing with Democrats, while pretending that he isn't. It's pathetic.

American said:
Corporations are stepping up because of Trump, not Pelosi. Pelosi is in the same crowd as the totalitarian leaderships in California and New York where they are going in full lockdowns. They can't wait to get their little dictatorships going. It's like a socialist's wetdream.
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And like a good conservative you rush to glorify corporations who will be receiving GOP sponsored bail-outs, while ignoring what Trump is doing right before your eyes. He has used Pelosi & Co.'s social remedies, while promoting GOP-led corporate exploitation. Still, you cling to the delusion.
 
dixon01767 said:
The markets are reacting to the Coronavirus. Not Trumps reaction to it.
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A reassuring, proactive, transparent president would have a calming affect on the market. It also doesn't help when the Governor of New York has to go on TV and beg all and sundry to please, pretty please, get him some masks for his hospital workers.
 
Conservative said:
What is amazing is how the official sites of bea.gov, bls.gov, and Treasury.org don't support your position or the fiction you are posting

GDP and GDP dollar growth....
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Oh, let's not pretend that you get to produce numbers anymore. You were caught lying and fudging the numbers that we all use from the same official sites. I'm not even going to see if you did it this time too. We all have integrity, thus our numbers are accurate and do prove the very clear trend. Of course, you also like to refuse proper numbers so that you can use inconsequential numbers to imply something totally different. And when one has to do this sort of thing he is clearly stating that he is full of **** and desperate to cling to his anti-Obama delusion. But for those who actually want to see truth, without "Conservative" altering numbers:


Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.4%
2018 - 2.9%
2019 - 2.3%

Facts from the World Bank:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.3%
2018 - 2.9%

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008 - -2.75%
2009 - 0.18%
2010 - 2.57%
2011 - 1.61%
2012 - 1.47%
2013 - 2.61%
2014 - 2.88%
2015 - 1.90%
2016 - 2.03%
2017 - 2.80%
2018 - 2.52%
2019 - 2.29%


* Clearly, the numbers do not lie about the clear trend of recovery in which Trump inherited. And as the economy recovered, so did unemployment rates. This too, your Donald is fond of stealing personal credit. And your insistence that a single President can wave magic wands to create new trends is why you persist in calling these "Obama's" numbers and "Trump's" numbers. But notice that Trump's use of a 3.0% as a defining point for "Obama failure" has not been since Trump entered the White House either. In fact, Trump's highest of 2.9%, which was the temporary result of injecting a quick cash grab for the elite in late 2017, matches the 2.9% of Obama's 2015, which was more natural within the economy. Yet, you promote Trump as your economic champion anyway.

But right after the cash grab of 2018 ended, the trend settled back down and depressed into a 2.3% in 2019, didn't it? By the way, in case you can't see for yourself, this 2.3% is lower than 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010. Thus, Trump has done nothing grand and this fantastical notion you have about Trump being a Godsend is clearly pathetic. According to what Trump has done to our economy and tax system, were he President in 2008 he would have exacerbated the Great Recession, in which you actually pretend was not even a big deal...just to promote your anti-Obama agenda. And it is this need to denigrate Obama that you have sold your integrity and actually strive to be loyal to man like Donald Trump, a conservative anti-thesis.

Irrationality clearly dictates your behavior; and I am tired of trying to fix you.
 
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American said:
He never rose above criticism, since there wasn't any. He even tried to kick Fox news out of the White House media pool. Confident my ass. [emoji38]
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He had plenty of criticism.

Trump has not only kicked out various news agencies, but also is suing several.

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roguenuke said:
We saw Obama handle a similar situation, H1N1. There were some missteps, but it was nothing like this. .
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Yeah, 12,000 Americans died from H1N1. Corona hasn't killed that many worldwide
 
dixon01767 said:
Nah, even that is primarily the market reacting to the medias characterization of Trumps reaction.
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Jesus, your worship is pathetic. The man can be caught with his pecker in a small child and you people would blame the media for reporting it. It must be nice being Trump, who clearly knows that he can do absolutely anything and behave anyway he pleases without harming his cult's devotion to Him.

Just the fact that you people went from worshiping him for his complacency (while denigrating Democrats and the media), and then worshiping him for his emergency order (while acknowledging Democrat and media warnings) say's it all. Clearly, you all support nothing other than an irrational hatred for reality.
 
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