White House eyes giving Americans checks to combat economic impact of outbreak

Lursa · Mar 19, 2020

apdst said:
The equal distribution of wealth is the whole point of communism. That's why Marx said the means of production should be owned by the state.

I'm waiting for you to prove, with a sourced quote from the Communist Manifesto or definition:

Lursa said:
Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

That's what you jumped in on.

apdst · Mar 19, 2020

Lursa said:
I'm waiting for you to prove, with a sourced quote from the Communist Manifesto or definition:

That's what you jumped in on.

Educate yourself.

communist manifesto - Google Search

Lursa · Mar 19, 2020

apdst said:
Educate yourself.

communist manifesto - Google Search

I'm not wasting my time looking for something that isnt there.

Quote it please, where it says this:

Lursa said:
Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

Kushinator · Mar 19, 2020

apdst said:
It isn't free cash. It's money that the citizens gave them.

People who don't pay income tax are will receive cash payments financed by deficits. We are going to see the deficit top $2 trillion for FY 2020 (which is still undershooting the necessity) and unemployment approaching 20%.

Stealers Wheel · Mar 19, 2020

apdst said:
It isn't free cash. It's money that the citizens gave them.

Oh, so you're saying that people who are too poor to pay taxes won't be getting a check. Because they didn't give any to the government. That's good to know. Cuz if they did, well that would be socialism.

cpwill · Mar 19, 2020

Deuce said:
Lots of things have been discussed, but of course the usual Republican ghouls are balking at the idea of just sending checks to poor people.

Coronavirus relief bill: Senate GOP releases plan with up to $1,200 in cash payments

....Cash payments of up to $1,200 would go to individuals, with up to $2,400 for couples. The sum would increase by $500 for every child.*The check totals would start to phase out above $75,000 in adjusted gross income based on 2018 tax returns....

That's unfortunate for me, because 2018 was far and away the highest income earning year I've ever had, and I'll be in the phase-out portion... And I really think we should be focused on unemployment benefits and healthcare spending, but, I'm glad that folks who need it will get it

Ikari · Mar 19, 2020

cpwill said:
Coronavirus relief bill: Senate GOP releases plan with up to $1,200 in cash payments

....Cash payments of up to $1,200 would go to individuals, with up to $2,400 for couples. The sum would increase by $500 for every child.*The check totals would start to phase out above $75,000 in adjusted gross income based on 2018 tax returns....

That's unfortunate for me, because 2018 was far and away the highest income earning year I've ever had, and I'll be in the phase-out portion... And I really think we should be focused on unemployment benefits and healthcare spending, but, I'm glad that folks who need it will get it

I know. What a kick in the teeth. I paid a **** ton in taxes, I'd take a bit of that back, lol.

Aberration · Mar 20, 2020

I’m working extra shifts because of people out on mandatory quarantine for CoVID-19 like symptoms.

We were joking. I’m simply working my ass off to pay for those checks to go out...

cpwill · Mar 20, 2020

Ikari said:
I know. What a kick in the teeth. I paid a **** ton in taxes, I'd take a bit of that back, lol.

Apparently the phase out is between 75 and 99k, after which, you get nothing.

Ah well :shrug:

RealityNow · Mar 20, 2020

ecofarm said:
Fiscal conservatism was born of kings and queens.

That's about as Monarchical as many of the Right Winger who call themselves Conservatives think... "Ration %'s of whatever, based on Class and Ethnicity"... (that is a form of segregationist policy)

RealityNow · Mar 20, 2020

jmotivator said:
Ah, I struck a nerve there. But in your rant you can't help but prove my point. You rail against the wealthy by accusing them of not voluntarily distributing their own wealth through "investment" in the community, and belittle the "poor" whites who have been hoodwinked by these greedy rich people, and you support government intervention in remedying this state that you find abhorent.

So your solution is to... have the government soak those greedy rich people for the good of the poor.

Thanks for proving my point.

How do you think they got rich? If you understood anything about "re-investment", then you'd probably know more about wealth stability. But you keep on worshiping your Serf Masters as you've been trained and what has been passed on in training from previous generation over 100's of years.

One day, (which is not likely) you may understand the principles and premise of Capitalism within a Democracy, which was not based nor designed on fleecing anyone, it was and is a form of "using the monetary system's medium of exchange, which is done by the current day usage of "Federal Reserve Notes"...

The principle of Capitalism as a Monetary Program, was designed to be "a fairness within equitable exchange", with a ethical premise of a reasonable profit through exchange.

ecofarm · Mar 20, 2020

RealityNow said:
That's about as Monarchical as many of the Right Winger who call themselves Conservatives think... "Ration %'s of whatever, based on Class and Ethnicity"... (that is a form of segregationist policy)

The bottom line is it's stupid to pretend capitalism began with slavery.

RealityNow · Mar 20, 2020

ecofarm said:
The bottom line is it's stupid to pretend capitalism began with slavery.

No one said capitalism began with slavery... GEEZ!!! how the heck did you come up with that. The commentary was about "The Hoodwinking Game of "Fiscal" Conservatism"....

ecofarm · Mar 20, 2020

RealityNow said:
No one said capitalism began with slavery... GEEZ!!! how the heck did you come up with that. The commentary was about "The Hoodwinking Game of "Fiscal" Conservatism"....

I didn't buy a ready made package. My politics are not a happy meal. I didn't go through the slavery drive-through. I believe in social progressiveness and fiscal conservatism each for their own principles and values, which I find congruent with the cornerstones of my worldview.

Sorry, no microwave-supper ideology for me. My principles go to their foundation.

RealityNow · Mar 20, 2020

ecofarm said:
I didn't buy a ready made package. My politics are not a happy meal. I didn't go through the slavery drive-through. I believe in social progressiveness and fiscal conservatism each for their own principles and values, which I find congruent with the cornerstones of my worldview.

Sorry, no microwave-supper ideology for me. My principles go to their foundation.

Fiscal Conservatism

Guess you'd say its working based on the following figures, right ... (America is at Debt to GDP..of 105% and we carry $23 Trillion in Debt, and more than $70+ Trillion in Unfunded Obligation and we have a yearly Budget Deficit that is fast moving toward a $Trillion dollars.)

Fact is: There is NOTHING Fiscally Conservative about that!!!!

ecofarm · Mar 20, 2020

RealityNow said:
Fiscal Conservatism

Guess you'd say its working based on the following figures, right ... (America is at Debt to GDP..of 105% and we carry $23 Trillion in Debt, and more than $70+ Trillion in Unfunded Obligation and we have a yearly Budget Deficit that is fast moving toward a $Trillion dollars.)

That post is asinine in a number of ways. If fiscal conservatives held a power majority in congress and the admin for past few decades your quiz would maybe make some sense. I'd argue Republicans have hardly been so for some time. I suspect, however, the deeper we go into your post the more stupid it gets. So I'm gonna stop there.

cpwill · Mar 20, 2020

Ikari said:
I know. What a kick in the teeth. I paid a **** ton in taxes, I'd take a bit of that back, lol.

So I went and read the proposal, and it's 75K for individuals and 150 for Joint Filers. So, there's that.

Lursa · Mar 20, 2020

Lursa said:
Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

jmotivator said:
Socialism is the state takeover of industry specifically for the purpose of redistribution of wealth for presumed social benefit. It's the reason for the name.

I mean, unless you assume that a nation of socialists commandeer industry and means of distribution in order to bolster the wealthy.

Sorry, I need a formal definition. Otherwise, I call BS.

Lursa · Mar 20, 2020

Lursa said:
Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

apdst said:
In The Communist Manifesto.

Lursa said:
Linked quote or definition please. Otherwise, BS.

apdst said:
The equal distribution of wealth is the whole point of communism. That's why Marx said the means of production should be owned by the state.

apdst said:
Educate yourself.

communist manifesto - Google Search

Lursa said:
I'm not wasting my time looking for something that isnt there.

Quote it please, where it answers this: Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

Still waiting.

I see this attempt to hyperbolize how drastic socialistic programs are...by comparing them to communism...all the time. It's lame and inaccurate and dishonest.

For the record, I lean away from govt socialization of programs.

RealityNow · Mar 20, 2020

Coronavirus checks: Here are 3 proposals to get money to Americans

Aberration · Mar 20, 2020

Lursa said:
Still waiting.

I see this attempt to hyperbolize how drastic socialistic programs are...by comparing them to communism...all the time. It's lame and inaccurate and dishonest.

For the record, I lean away from govt socialization of programs.

“a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.”

Socialism | Definition of Socialism at Dictionary.com

Lursa · Mar 21, 2020

Aberration said:
“a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.”

Socialism | Definition of Socialism at Dictionary.com

Thanks. But it's not this:

Lursa said:
Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

When something is produced and then distributed, that's not 'redistribution' and not of wealth.

Aberration · Mar 21, 2020

Lursa said:
Thanks. But it's not this:

When something is produced and then distributed, that's not 'redistribution' and not of wealth.

Cool story.

apdst · Mar 21, 2020

Lursa said:
Still waiting.

I see this attempt to hyperbolize how drastic socialistic programs are...by comparing them to communism...all the time. It's lame and inaccurate and dishonest.

For the record, I lean away from govt socialization of programs.

Are you still trying to argue that wealth redistribution/distribution isn't a tenet of communism? :lamo

Lursa · Mar 21, 2020

apdst said:
Are you still trying to argue that wealth redistribution/distribution isn't a tenet of communism? :lamo

Where did I do that? You have resorted to lying again.

Nope, you failed again, the question never touched on communism.

Post 294 tells the whole story...:mrgreen:

Lursa said:
Where is socialism defined as 'redistribution of' wealth, etc?

apdst: communism derp derp derp

White House eyes giving Americans checks to combat economic impact of outbreak

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