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Coalition airstrikes underway against multiple Iranian-backed militia sites in Iraq

GDViking said:
Yip that was my first thought as well, trump needed a distraction from the disaster he caused here...
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so what policy did trump do that caused the virus? the last time i checked it came from china and people that had it were allowed in even though trump ordered they bot be returned.
 
Oborosen said:
This escalation is natural, though I can already tell that I'm going to get tired of people trying to politicize it.
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what don't these people politicize.
 
HumblePi said:
If you remember, the CIA invasion of Panama in 1989 under George H.W. Bush was to overthrow Manuel Noriega....
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Cool. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that killing Americans is a red line for this administration, which has been repeatedly and publicly communicated to the Iranians.


One day after Russia started the 'oil war' Iran fired rockets and killed the US and British soldiers. Since Trump took office, every time the oil prices needed to go up or Republicans needed a distraction 'Iran did something bad', and rockets were fired. So, it just happened again by 'coincidence' that the very next day after the oil prices sink, and the coronavirus becomes a major crisis for the US, guess what?
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Cool story bro. The CT forum is -------> that way.

Trump went on TV and tried to suggest he deserved credit for the lower oil prices, calling them basically like a tax cut for the American people. He's also been trying -irresponsibly so - to yank us out of the Middle East. Now, that's because he's a fool, but, I suppose your response would be something along the lines of "of-course-he-would-that-just-shows-how-diabolical-They-truly-are."



So yes, I think the US attacked itself and blames Iran for it
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Uh-huh.


I'm so old, I can remember when Trump accused the intelligence community of lying and questioned their loyalty, and the left thought that was bad.

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Metric Mouse said:
Oh dear...
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Yeah. Iran is probably going to lose an order or three of magnitude more people to covid19 than it will to US military strikes.

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I haven’t heard a word about this without seeking it out. I guess the distraction from the new Katrina hasn’t worked so far.
 
OldFatGuy said:
As I understand the progress of the virus thus far, less than 2 dozen children have been infected thus far, all recovering or in stages of recovery and none suffering as severely as the adults. More have been found to be carriers, with no symptoms and there is no understanding of the mechanisms favoring the children. During the same time period this virus has been known to be virulent, compare it to strains of the flu, malaria, and a score of other diseases and one must wonder about the hype and panic.

Yes, the spread of the virus is quick, and so was Sars and Ebola, yet neither induced the fear and paranoia equivalent to this one, with far more devastation from both. The measles, typhoid, diphtheria, TB, chicken pox, German measles, the mumps did far worse and never induced a similar panic among the masses. Polio was a horror, and so is MS, but still no similar reactions. Why? No mass media in need of headlines to sell advertising.

People get sick and die everyday. Part of life. Living our lives in fear of the ever present mortality is not living well. I may sound crass, uncaring, insensitive and so forth, but living well is far better than living in fear. Life goes on. Life is suffering. Life goes on.
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Doesnt really address what I posted, which was specifically why some families would be smart to, may need to, buy extra TP.

And kids here have tested positive, meaning they can spread the virus, bring it home to the more vulnerable...which is exactly what school closures and requests to self-quarantine are designed to minimize. If you choose to minimize the impact on those vulnerable groups...that's up to you.
 
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JANFU said:
Coalition airstrikes underway against multiple Iranian-backed militia sites in Iraq - CNNPolitics



Well it is about to get much wilder over there.

Iran will keep prodding the US and retaliate against Iraqi Militias backed and owned by Iran

Now the Govt will face demonstrations by Iraqi's against the US and for Parliament to order the exit of US troops

The box that Iran is in well it got smaller with the crash in oil, and they are swamped with C19

Iran can sit back and use Iraqi Militias to ramp up the frequency of attacks on US- NATO troops in the country

Just a matter of time before the pot boils over
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Iran made a choice. They chose poorly.
 
Moon said:
Iran made a choice. They chose poorly.
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Unless the US-Iran make a global agreement, the present circumstances are a path to war

No nukes- intrusive inspections- halt support for Hezbollah- Hamas - US to remove all trade and economic sanctions.

A war between Iran-US will spread across the ME and entail proxy attacks on US facilities in many countries.

Oil facilities in the ME would be a top priority for attack by Iran.

Oh yeah and a massive global recession.

And Russia-China reaps the so called benefits
 
Lursa said:
Doesnt really address what I posted, which was specifically why some families would be smart to, may need to, buy extra TP.

And kids here have tested positive, meaning they can spread the virus, bring it home to the more vulnerable...which is exactly what school closures and requests to self-quarantine are designed to minimize. If you choose to minimize the impact on those vulnerable groups...that's up to you.
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There are always tree leaves.

Yes, children can be carriers. So can the mail delivery people. Should we put the snail mail on hold, all package deliveries, grocery shopping, dog walking (a dog has tested positive), whatever? People die and life goes on.

The greater choice is whether or not to live in fear.
 
OldFatGuy said:
There are always tree leaves.

Yes, children can be carriers. So can the mail delivery people. Should we put the snail mail on hold, all package deliveries, grocery shopping, dog walking (a dog has tested positive), whatever? People die and life goes on.

The greater choice is whether or not to live in fear.
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Yeah...buying enough TP or other essentials to see your family thru a crisis is 'living in fear' :roll:

*snicker* and there wont be any tree leaves here until May :lol:
 
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JANFU said:
Unless the US-Iran make a global agreement, the present circumstances are a path to war

No nukes- intrusive inspections- halt support for Hezbollah- Hamas - US to remove all trade and economic sanctions.

A war between Iran-US will spread across the ME and entail proxy attacks on US facilities in many countries.

Oil facilities in the ME would be a top priority for attack by Iran.

Oh yeah and a massive global recession.

And Russia-China reaps the so called benefits
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Iran doesn’t want a war with us, that would mean the end of their regime. This really looks like them trying to have something else to talk about than their response to the Coronavirus.
 
HumblePi said:
If you remember, the CIA invasion of Panama in 1989 under George H.W. Bush was to overthrow Manuel Noriega, who had been a long-time ally of the US and had even worked for the CIA before his reign as leader of the country. Then there was the Reagan administration and the US arming the Nicaraguan Contras against the Sandinista government. I could go on and on with the covert military operation done by the CIA or US military that would make your hair turn white. Even in Mexico when the drugs cartels started organizing in the 1980s and the DEA was right there in Mexico but were given orders by the State Dept to 'back off'. So they were worthless as far as stopping any type of drug trafficking.

One day after Russia started the 'oil war' Iran fired rockets and killed the US and British soldiers. Since Trump took office, every time the oil prices needed to go up or Republicans needed a distraction 'Iran did something bad', and rockets were fired. So, it just happened again by 'coincidence' that the very next day after the oil prices sink, and the coronavirus becomes a major crisis for the US, guess what? OMG the Iranians are being bad again and rockets were fired.

First, an 'oil war' as Putin declared, immediately forces U.S. fracking to stop production because if they produce they won't be able to sell it. Putin knows that US oil industry is built on a ton of debt and are dependent on high oil prices. Those U.S. companies are the culprit for Russian shale companies to be outsold and also sanctioned. Russia fully intended to do so but they can't do it because of US sanctions. So that is part one now comes part two.

Whether it's Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc., whenever they war, they need to buy more oil and the only way they can get oil is from Russia, so Republicans want to "provoke" a war conflict to force Russia to produce oil again for Iran. And what a coincidence that at the very moment a little war that Iran gets into with the US, that Iran will need oil, and Iran gets their oil from Russia. Iran also gets weapons from Russia, so if Iran spends money on war it is Russia who pays for it and Russia only gets money from oil. It would force Russia to produce again because Iran will need it. So yes, I think the US attacked itself and blames Iran for it just so they can start a conflict that fires up the oil prices again. It could have been an Iranian soldier or Iranian rebel that secretly works as a double-agent for the US which is how the US has started conflicts since 1940 by infiltrating countries armies.

Hey? you asked! Sorry if it was long.
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If you have any evidence whatsoever that American servicemen and women are carrying out criminal orders leading them to literally murdering their fellow American servicemen and women to benefit of a hostile foreign power, I would ask that you please produce evidence of it forthwith. Otherwise, you are engaging in the lowest defamation of our military and intelligence services.
 
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JANFU said:
Unless the US-Iran make a global agreement, the present circumstances are a path to war

No nukes- intrusive inspections- halt support for Hezbollah- Hamas - US to remove all trade and economic sanctions.

A war between Iran-US will spread across the ME and entail proxy attacks on US facilities in many countries.

Oil facilities in the ME would be a top priority for attack by Iran.

Oh yeah and a massive global recession.

And Russia-China reaps the so called benefits
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Dupe.
 
Lursa said:
Yeah...buying enough TP or other essentials to see your family thru a crisis is 'living in fear' :roll:
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I don't see this as a more than a media fabricated crisis. An over hyped response to a illness. There has been far worse, and will be far worse. I and my family are not living in fear. TP shortages are merely a symptom of this panic.

My oldest son runs a trauma unit at one of NYC's major hospitals. His greatest fear is a sepsis infection mutating into something that is easily communicable with no open wounds necessary for infection. Despite the best efforts for hospital staffs to keep sanitary conditions, they are learning sepsis often results from the transfer of symbiotic bacteria in the body, to areas where they become virulent. My oldest daughter and two of my nieces are nurse practitioners at major hospitals. They say the greatest problem with this panic is people overwhelming ER staffs with minor cold and allergy symptoms, preventing quality care for those with true emergency care needs. This isn't about politics, it is about stupidity, a gullible public, and media hype.

Be careful crossing the street, look both ways, twice. Don't drink Corona beer.
 
Lursa said:
Yeah...buying enough TP or other essentials to see your family thru a crisis is 'living in fear' :roll:

*snicker* and there wont be any tree leaves here until May :lol:
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OldFatGuy said:
I don't see this as a more than a media fabricated crisis. An over hyped response to a illness. There has been far worse, and will be far worse. I and my family are not living in fear. TP shortages are merely a symptom of this panic.
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Get in line...that line of "head-in-the-sand" is long.

No need for me to read more of it.
 
JANFU said:
You have a point to make?
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Yes, and it’s a very important one, so listen up.

My phone glitched and the website didn’t update, so I accidentally posted twice. I edited it to indicate it was a duplicate.

Dat’s it.
 
Moon said:
Yes, and it’s a very important one, so listen up.

My phone glitched and the website didn’t update, so I accidentally posted twice. I edited it to indicate it was a duplicate.

Dat’s it.
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The post in notifications went to the "dupe" post. I had no idea there was another post

Listen up? Really, I do not read aloud unless asked. So you clearly move lips and speak when reading.

Must be annoying for others
 
Lursa said:
Yeah...buying enough TP or other essentials to see your family thru a crisis is 'living in fear' :roll:

*snicker* and there wont be any tree leaves here until May :lol:
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There are people getting into fights over toilet paper. There are people buying TP up to 12 packages, so much that they are using two carts to haul it to the cash registers. Yes, there are folks living in fear. I won't say a majority, but there are quite a few people panicking and buying up the shelves. There are some who will have enough toilet paper for 3 years.
 
JANFU said:
The post in notifications went to the "dupe" post. I had no idea there was another post

Listen up? Really, I do not read aloud unless asked. So you clearly move lips and speak when reading.

Must be annoying for others
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Hahaha, I don’t know why it did that. Weird glitch.
 
Moon said:
Iran doesn’t want a war with us, that would mean the end of their regime. This really looks like them trying to have something else to talk about than their response to the Coronavirus.
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And war for Israel, oil refineries in flames, they have leverage and will push the US harder.

Much like the recent attacks that killed 3 soldiers
Those will increase.

Eventually it will become more severe and push Trump into reacting

My opinion is the whole region is on the verge of a massive war.
 
Moon said:
Hahaha, I don’t know why it did that. Weird glitch.
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Me either - no issues here. I did find the original post and replied
 
JANFU said:
And war for Israel, oil refineries in flames, they have leverage and will push the US harder.

Much like the recent attacks that killed 3 soldiers
Those will increase.

Eventually it will become more severe and push Trump into reacting

My opinion is the whole region is on the verge of a massive war.
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I don’t think so. I think Iran has more nations aligned against them than they could possibly deal with. I think the possibility of a large scale war is low, but Iran will probably continue small strikes for attention purposes, and we’ll continue to respond.
 
Moon said:
I don’t think so. I think Iran has more nations aligned against them than they could possibly deal with. I think the possibility of a large scale war is low, but Iran will probably continue small strikes for attention purposes, and we’ll continue to respond.
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I disagree, from sanctions to C19 ravaging the country, they are cornered, and the only leverage they has are attacks on oil supplies.

Also the attacks on US/NATO forces in Iraq will increase & eventually demand a US response on Iranian territory
 
JANFU said:
Coalition airstrikes underway against multiple Iranian-backed militia sites in Iraq - CNNPolitics



Well it is about to get much wilder over there.

Iran will keep prodding the US and retaliate against Iraqi Militias backed and owned by Iran

Now the Govt will face demonstrations by Iraqi's against the US and for Parliament to order the exit of US troops

The box that Iran is in well it got smaller with the crash in oil, and they are swamped with C19

Iran can sit back and use Iraqi Militias to ramp up the frequency of attacks on US- NATO troops in the country

Just a matter of time before the pot boils over
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It all depends on your understanding of economics. War isn’t necessarily inevitable, but do you remember a time in your life where we weren’t conducting military intervention somewhere on the globe? Our unwillingness to learn from history is as much to blame for a war as any president is.

I like your analogy of the pot boiling over. I would suggest that the pot already boiled over 107 years ago. Since that time, we’ve been distracted by the mess and demanded that the heat be turned up. All of it is cyclical, and all of it can be traced back to unsound currency and economic philosophies that have never produced peace AND prosperity simultaneously.

Even the founders got it wrong. Our first Secretary of State essentially told George Washington he could take the job and shove it - all because of the perceived (and very wrong) need for easy money.

As for our current state of affairs... same crap, different day.
 
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