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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A judge can't declassify classified material. How many goddamn times do you have to be told that?
    A judge can see classified material, as long as he doesn't let takes care and not let it get out into the public.

    How judges handle classified documents.
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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us the law givimg him this authority.
    YOu asked for it, you got it, but you could have read it in the ruling


    Google "de novo" and "In camera review" (a legal term, used in the wording of the ruling, had you read it).

    To determine de novo the applicability of the particular
    exemptions cited by the government to the withheld documents, the Court has the discretion to
    “examine the contents of [ ] agency records in camera.” 5 U.S.C. ß 552(a)(4)(B); see Larson v.
    U.S. Dep’t of State, 565 F.3d 857, 869–70 (D.C. Cir. 2009) (“In camera review is available to
    the district court if the court believes it is needed ‘to make a responsible de novo determination
    on the claims of exception.’” (quoting Juarez v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice, 518 F.3d 54, 60 (D.C. Cir.
    2008))).

    The District of Columbia Circuit has specifically noted that
    in camera inspection may be particularly appropriate when either the agency affidavits are insufficiently detailed to permit meaningful review of exemption claims or there is evidence of bad faith on the part of the agency, when the number of withheld documents is relatively small, and when the dispute turns on
    the contents of the withheld documents, and not the parties’ interpretations of those documents. . . . These factors identify circumstances under which it would be error for the district court not to review the documents in camera, but they do not present the only circumstances under which the district court may do so. As
    the court explained in Ray v. Turner, 587 F.2d 1187 (D.C. Cir. 1978) (per curiam), [i]n camera inspection does not depend on a finding or even tentative finding of bad faith. A judge has discretion to order in camera inspection on the basis of an uneasiness, on a doubt that he wants satisfied before he takes responsibility for a de novo determination. . . . The ultimate criterion is simply this: Whether the district judge believes that in camera inspection is needed in
    order to make a responsible de novo determination on the claims of exemption. Thus, in cases in which a look at the withheld material itself would be useful, we have fully approved in camera examination of the withheld material by the trial court.
    More precedents were cited, had you read the ruling.
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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The courts can make no demands on the Executive Branch, just as the Executive Branch can make no demands on the courts. They are co-equal branches of government.

    You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    More fluff for idiots who don't know that the response to the judge will be in a LEGAL filing, not a tweet.. The tweet does serve a purpose, humor... Here is one of the responses to that tweet...
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    Last edited by BlueTex; 03-07-20 at 04:30 AM.

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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    It's a civil action. Someone filed a FOIA request to see the unredacted Mueller Report, and when Barr refused, they sued.

    The issue is that it is believed the redactions were not proper, and the only way the judge can rule is to see what was redacted. It boils down to whether or not AG Barr is credible, and given that his 4 page summary of the MR was a misrepresentation to ostensibly protect Trump, the judge believed there is a likelihood redactions could likely be done in the same fashion, not to protect bona fide state secrets, but to protect Trump.

    That would be a violation of Barr's oath of office.

    Judges have a lot of leeway to subpoena stuff in order to get to the truth so they can make a ruling.


    And yes, Judges do get to see classified stuff in order to make rulings

    How judges handle classified documents.
    Thanks for the clarification. My previous post stands corrected.
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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    And Barr determined that it was theoretical obstruction.
    Yeah. Barr. Just the other day, a conservative federal judge called a conservative attorney general a liar whose word canít be trusted. Doesn't happen very often. But Barr is a special case.
    Have the Evangelicals noticed that soon after they made a godless, lying, lawless, womanizing conman their messiah, a plague showed up?

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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Yeah. Barr. Just the other day, a conservative federal judge called a conservative attorney general a liar whose word can’t be trusted. Doesn't happen very often. But Barr is a special case.
    The DOJ made the effective response, correctly pointing out that redactions were a team effort, which included members of Mueller's team.

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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    The DOJ made the effective response, correctly pointing out that redactions were a team effort, which included members of Mueller's team.

    A tweet is not a response to the court... I suspect their response to the court will be quite different...

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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueTex View Post
    A tweet is not a response to the court... I suspect their response to the court will be quite different...
    Of course.
    Much of the ruling, and the affirmative response by many to it, is political in nature...

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    Re: Judge demands unredacted Mueller report, questioning Barr's 'credibility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Of course.
    Much of the ruling, and the affirmative response by many to it, is political in nature...
    Be that as it may, any theories on the legal arguments they might use to try to not comply?

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