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Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

I can read what he is saying and the heading is "White Won". This is a typical article by this writer and he is on the editorial board of the NY Times. And of course there are many other examples that a quick Google would show.

Do you have any evidence that Donald Trump is a 'racist' or is the charge itself enough to forever taint a person's character? Or has the term itself become meaningless, much like calling someone a 'Fascist', 'Communist' or 'Nazi'?

"****hole countries", his reaction to the Central Park Five, and "there are many fine people on both sides". The fact that Neo-Nazi Stephen Miller is a senior advisor to Trump.

Racial views of Donald Trump - Wikipedia
 
Of course I know the democrats created the KKK to stop republicans from helping blacks integrate into southern society. Who doesn't know that?
A surprising number don't. Many don't know even who fought in the Civil War, who won, or which political parties were involved.
 
Of course I know the democrats created the KKK to stop republicans from helping blacks integrate into southern society. Who doesn't know that?

The KKK was started by the Southern Baptist church as an enforcement arm for their belief that blacks are to be second class citizens. They tended to be democrats only because Lincoln, who beat the confederacy was a Republican. Those bigots tend to hold a grudge about that loss, even to this day.

They were mostly Baptist at least the major leaders.

"The hierarchy of the Ku Klux Klan was drawn exclusively from the hierarchy of the white Southern Baptist church. There were no Catholics, Jews or Jehovah's Witnesses in the Klan. There were a few Methodists in their ranks but their Kleagles, Exalted Cyclopses, Grand Wizards, etc., were all deacons, Sunday school teachers, ministers and preachers of that violent religion. The Klan was the enforcement wing of that white Southern Baptist church." ---http://www.mississippidays.com/murder

"A former Ku Klux Klan leader and Baptist preacher was sentenced to 60 years for planning and organizing the murder of three civil rights workers 41 years ago." The Epoch Times
 
The KKK members were ignorant people and were supported by the Democratic Party, who were equally ignorant. You mentioned George Wallace as an example of those who admitted to their past ignorance, as did Robert Byrd, but some of this ignorance still lingers among the Democrats of today. They just don't see it or admit to it.

The northern Democrats held different social views than the southern democrats.

In the Election of 1860, the Democratic Party split into two parties, the Northern Democratic Party and the Southern Democratic Party.

By the late 1850s, the Democratic Party was split over the issue of slavery. Northern Democrats generally opposed slavery's expansion while many Southern Democrats believed that slavery should exist across the United States. In the presidential election of 1860, the Democratic Party split in two, with Stephen Douglas running for the Northern Democratic Party, and John C. Breckinridge representing the Southern Democratic Party. Two other political parties competed in this election as well. One of these parties was the Republican Party, with Abraham Lincoln as its candidate. Lincoln and the Republican Party opposed slavery's expansion. The other party was the Constitutional Union Party. The party's candidate, John Bell, hoped to compromise the differences between the North and South by extending the Missouri Compromise line across the remainder of the United States. Slavery would be permitted in new states established south of the line, while the institution would be illegal in new states formed north of the line. The Northern and Southern Democratic Parties only officially existed in the election of 1860.

Lincoln won the election against the other three candidates. Many Northern voters agreed with him that slavery should not expand. These people also generally agreed with Lincoln that the federal government could not end slavery where it already existed but that it could prohibit slavery in new territories and states. In 1860, the North had a population of approximately twenty-three million people to the South's nine million. Southerners divided their support between Breckinridge and Bell, while Northerners generally rejected these two candidates. Douglas provided the only real opposition to Lincoln in the North, but most Northern voters preferred Lincoln's views. With such a wide difference in population totals, the North controlled the Electoral College and gave Lincoln the victory in the election. With Lincoln's election, Southern states began to secede from the Union. Many Southerners believed that Lincoln would end slavery within the United States. Eleven Southern states seceded from the Union between December 1860 and June 1861, creating the Confederate States of America and beginning the American Civil War.

Following the Civil War, the Democratic Party reunited, but Democrats residing in the South sometimes advanced different goals for their party than Democrats from the North. Some Northern Democrats fought for the rights of the working class against business owners and other industrialists while other Northern Democrats defended commerce and industry. Many Southern Democrats, especially in the years immediately following the Civil War, sought to protect rural and agricultural interests. Some Southern Democrats also worked to enact laws that denied African Americans equal rights.

Northern Democratic Party - Ohio History Central
 
Yes, we should all be able to get people to print or publish whatever we want. It's not up to them to decide.

The same prejudice exists against those with no shirt and no shoes.

I haven't read the entire thread. I imagine many people have already tried to educate you. No one forced these people to make a wedding invitation. They chose to open a business that is regulated by rules and laws. That's how a civilized society works. I'm sure you'd be just fine with some fundamentalist exempting himself from health regulations because his god whispered to him that refrigeration and hand washing are sins, but that's why we have a secular government: to keep the psychos in their demented homes and out of my way to live a free and harmless life.
 
"****hole countries", his reaction to the Central Park Five, and "there are many fine people on both sides". The fact that Neo-Nazi Stephen Miller is a senior advisor to Trump.

Racial views of Donald Trump - Wikipedia
There are ****hole countries, I've been to several of them. Do you honestly think that Haiti is not a ****hole country? But that relates to culture and education, not race. Understand the difference. It is you, and people like you, who are saying that these countries are backward because of their race. No one else.

The Central Park Five were pronounced guilty in court. What did he say about them that was racist? Nothing is the correct response. Many people, after this crime was made public, felt the same way.

As far as your link is concerned there is no evidence of 'racism'. Many of those crossing the border illegally, for example, were drug smugglers and rapists, as many of the female victims will attest. All of them were breaking the law.

What evidence do you have that Stephen Miller is a Nazi, Neo or otherwise?.
 
I haven't read the entire thread. I imagine many people have already tried to educate you. No one forced these people to make a wedding invitation. They chose to open a business that is regulated by rules and laws. That's how a civilized society works. I'm sure you'd be just fine with some fundamentalist exempting himself from health regulations because his god whispered to him that refrigeration and hand washing are sins, but that's why we have a secular government: to keep the psychos in their demented homes and out of my way to live a free and harmless life.
In fact you have no idea what I'd 'be fine with' and your religious thoughts and feelings can remain private.
 
The northern Democrats held different social views than the southern democrats.
Yes, that's correct. However we also know that many in the Northern states still voted for George Wallace in 1972, he won Michigan and Maryland, and that Wallace was a guest speaker at the Democratic National Convention that year. And Democrats are certainly not as overtly racist now as they were then.
 
There are ****hole countries, I've been to several of them. Do you honestly think that Haiti is not a ****hole country? But that relates to culture and education, not race. Understand the difference. It is you, and people like you, who are saying that these countries are backward because of their race. No one else.

The Central Park Five were pronounced guilty in court. What did he say about them that was racist? Nothing is the correct response. Many people, after this crime was made public, felt the same way.

As far as your link is concerned there is no evidence of 'racism'. Many of those crossing the border illegally, for example, were drug smugglers and rapists, as many of the female victims will attest. All of them were breaking the law.

What evidence do you have that Stephen Miller is a Nazi, Neo or otherwise?.
You are a racist apologist.

There are poor countries and underdeveloped countries but they aren't ****hole countries just because their skin is darker than Wonder bread. Show some respect to others.

The Central Park Five are innocent, Central Park Five: The true story behind When They See Us - BBC News

His former co-worker and his own family say that he is a racist piece of trash.

Ex-Breitbart editor says Stephen Miller is a white supremacist, and she was too - CNNPolitics

Stephen Miller Can Push Racist Crap, but ‘The President Has His Back’
 
In fact you have no idea what I'd 'be fine with' and your religious thoughts and feelings can remain private.

A business owner's religious beliefs are not an exemption to secular law so he cannot use them as a reason to discriminate against customers in a business that is open to the public. There is direct case law on the subject in Newman v. Piggie Park.
 
Yes, that's correct. However we also know that many in the Northern states still voted for George Wallace in 1972, he won Michigan and Maryland, and that Wallace was a guest speaker at the Democratic National Convention that year. And Democrats are certainly not as overtly racist now as they were then.

Rural Southwest Michigan is still very white and very racist to this day. I have a friend who lives there and she refers to it as Militigan. My daughter went to school in a city there and racism is very obvious to someone who isn't a WASP. I never felt welcome there despite being very white because I am not Christian or racist. I could fake it for a few hours when I visited my daughter but I always liked it when I was heading east on I-96 back to more intelligent cities such as Lansing and Ann Arbor that were not so insular.
 
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A business owner's religious beliefs are not an exemption to secular law so he cannot use them as a reason to discriminate against customers in a business that is open to the public. There is direct case law on the subject in Newman v. Piggie Park.
Geez,man! That is not a 'direct case law'.
 
Interesting, isn't it? There are almost equal amounts of passion between people who think LGBTQ people should be able to use society like any other citizen and people who think LGBTQ people are second class humans who need to put up with discrimination for the rest of eternity because some religious people don't know how to be nice to other people.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your overview of the situation.

In both this case and the case involving the Colorado baker, nobody was mistreated, discriminated against or treated like second class citizens. This was simply a moral/religious objection to same sex marriages, and whether you agree with those beliefs or not, they have every right to both hold such beliefs, and to choose not to labor on behalf of them. As I've stated, I think both the printer and the baker's actions were stupid, but stupid or not, they should not be forced to create something for an activity they religiously and morally object to.

Look, I've had a hand full of live-in girlfriends in my lifetime and if some baker wouldn't create a cake to celebrate my 2 year anniversary of "living in sin" based on some religious objection, after I stopped laughing, I'd simply find another baker. Heck, I might even have a few select words for the guy, but I sure hell wouldn't take steps to either legally force his compliance or financially punish him. People believe what they believe and even if I don't agree with them, I respect their right to have those beliefs. Like I've said so many times, tolerance is a two way street.
 
Geez,man! That is not a 'direct case law'.

In Newman v Piggie park the SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that the owner's racist religious beliefs did not grant him an exception to the 1964 Civil Rights Act requirement public accommodation protections that banned whites-only businesses and as such required him to serve non-whites on an equal basis with white customers.

Fifty years ago this week, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a landmark ruling in Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises.1Piggie Park, a small barbeque chain that is still open today, refused to serve African American customers. The owner, a segregationist, claimed that the Civil Rights Act violated his religious freedom. In a decision handed down on March 18, 1968, the Supreme Court disagreed.This case is an important part of our nation’s Civil Rights history. Yet, the Court is currently considering Masterpiece Cakeshop vs. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, a new case that has the potential to take our country back to a shameful era in our nation’s history where businesses could claim a right to discriminate as they see fit. The stakes of this case couldn’t be higher—not just for LGBT people, but also for people of color, women, minority faiths, people with disabilities, and others.What was the Piggie Park case about? Following the passage of the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, it became illegal to discriminate based on race, ethnicity and other characteristics in employment, housing, and public accommodations such as restaurants. The owner of Piggie Park, a chain of barbeque restaurants in South Carolina, refused service to several patrons because they were Black. In addition to claiming that the restaurant chain was not a place of public accommodation, and thus not covered by the Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the restaurant chain also argued that the Civil Rights Act’s prohibition on discrimination based on race violated the owner’s freedom of religion, because his “religious beliefs compel him to oppose any integration of the races whatever.”2The U.S. Supreme Court resoundingly and swiftly rejected this claim in a ruling issued 50 years ago in March 1968.

BTW, I prefer if you would use Miss when you refer to me, or to you, That BITCH. :roll:

 
You are a racist apologist.
And a Fascist, Nazi, and all the rest of this slanderous leftist bilge. Is there never any sense of shame among you people? Is this really how your parents raised you?
There are poor countries and underdeveloped countries but they aren't ****hole countries just because their skin is darker than Wonder bread. Show some respect to others.
That's right. They are ****hole countries because they have corrupt governments and a lack of education.It is leftists like yourself who claim it's because of their race while ignoring any other environmental and cultural handicaps these people face. Given the opportunity these people can excel just as well as anyone else, but they don't have the opportunities we often take for granted.
Their guilt or innocence was never the point.
His former co-worker and his own family say that he is a racist piece of trash.
I'd love to see that quote.
He's a Nazi Jew, huh. What's happening to the country!
 
So your story now is that they Klan didn't know that they created the group to harass and kill black people as a way to protect and continue black people as second-class citizens?

The democrats who created the KKK knew they intended to use it to stop republicans from helping blacks integrate into southern society. They just didn't know how stupid and evil they were for doing that, just like modern democrats do not know how stupid and evil they are for trying to illegally and immorality remove Trump from office.
 
And a Fascist, Nazi, and all the rest of this slanderous leftist bilge. Is there never any sense of shame among you people? Is this really how your parents raised you?
That's right. They are ****hole countries because they have corrupt governments and a lack of education.It is leftists like yourself who claim it's because of their race while ignoring any other environmental and cultural handicaps these people face. Given the opportunity these people can excel just as well as anyone else, but they don't have the opportunities we often take for granted. Their guilt or innocence was never the point.
I'd love to see that quote.
He's a Nazi Jew, huh. What's happening to the country!
I don't know enough about you to say if you support Nazi ideas.

The guilt or innocence is central to the situation, unless anyone whose skin color is not orange is a problem for Donald Trump.

Stephen Miller Is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle. - POLITICO Magazine
 
Rural Southwest Michigan is still very white and very racist to this day. I have a friend who lives there and she refers to it as Militigan. My daughter went to school in a city there and racism is very obvious to someone who isn't a WASP. I never felt welcome there despite being very white because I am not Christian or racist. I could fake it for a few hours when I visited my daughter but I always liked it when I was heading east on I-96 back to more intelligent cities such as Lansing and Ann Arbor that were not so insular.
Well perhaps the last Presidential election shows a change in the culture since the days of George Wallace.
 
The KKK was started by the Southern Baptist church as an enforcement arm for their belief that blacks are to be second class citizens. They tended to be democrats only because Lincoln, who beat the confederacy was a Republican. Those bigots tend to hold a grudge about that loss, even to this day.

You seem to think all southern democrats were southern baptists. A whole lot of KKK members were Catholics as well, not to mention both non-Christians and other denominations.
 
I don't know enough about you to say if you support Nazi ideas.
Why would that matter? You've already called me a 'racist apologist', despite the clear evidence that it is you who are the racist. But you aren't even aware of it, despite having it explained to you more than once. I understand also it's not deliberate. Like many, such as hose Berkeley students, you just don't know any better.
The guilt or innocence is central to the situation, unless anyone whose skin color is not orange is a problem for Donald Trump.
That's just silly and we're not here to retry the case.
So an accusation is enough io prove that the accused is guilty? That's all part of the leftist program these days. It's much worse now than McCarthyism ever was.
 
The democrats who created the KKK knew they intended to use it to stop republicans from helping blacks integrate into southern society. They just didn't know how stupid and evil they were for doing that, just like modern democrats do not know how stupid and evil they are for trying to illegally and immorality remove Trump from office.

You have made this same apologist claim over and over. I'm tired of addressing your lies that you ignore.
 
You seem to think all southern democrats were southern baptists. A whole lot of KKK members were Catholics as well, not to mention both non-Christians and other denominations.

I'm tired of your ignorance and your lies. The Klan hates Catholics as much as Jews. The KKK is made up of Protestant christians.

Do Catholics who oppose immigration to the United States today know that they join a long tradition deeply rooted in anti-Catholicism? In its most virulent form, this fear of "aliens" fueled the rise a century ago of a popular and quite powerful Ku Klux Klan. The persistence of that KKK spirit in America, and especially its flowering in recent years, sparked Linda Gordon to re-examine that earlier period. The result, The Second Coming of the KKK, is a compelling exploration of a very troubling movement whose values have taken root in some ironic soil today.

The KKK has had three main manifestations in American history. It started in the wake of the Civil War as a male fraternal order dedicated to a violent reassertion of white supremacy in the American South, and to undermining the federal government's progress toward racial equality for black and white Southerners during Reconstruction. This terrorist version died out as white Southerners successfully re-imposed racial hierarchy through legal segregation.

The KKK next flourished in the early 20th century in reaction to the rush of largely Catholic and Jewish immigrants to America, and also to the release of D.W. Griffith's "The Birth of a Nation," which extolled the KKK's role in forming a new nation after the Civil War. This KKK lasted only for about a decade, fading quickly after Congress drastically restricted immigration in the early 1920s and KKK leaders were caught up in high-profile sexual and financial scandals.
 
You seem to think all southern democrats were southern baptists. A whole lot of KKK members were Catholics as well, not to mention both non-Christians and other denominations.
It's the usual diversionary tactic. They also try to call them 'conservative'. All of that is much easier to accept than that they were Democrats.
 
I'm tired of your ignorance and your lies. The Klan hates Catholics as much as Jews. The KKK is made up of Protestant christians.
The KKK, Democrats all, hated a great many people and that's still true of them today.
 
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