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marke said:
Obama snubbed Netanyahu for dinner with Michelle and the girls, Israelis claim - Telegraph
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Really, and you think that

The snub marked a fresh low in US-Israeli relations and appeared designed to show Mr Netanyahu how low his stock had fallen in Washington after he refused to back down in a row over Jewish construction in east Jerusalem.

The Israeli prime minister arrived at the White House on Tuesday evening brimming with confidence that the worst of the crisis in his country's relationship with the United States was over.

Over the previous two days, he had been feted by senior Republicans and greeted warmly by members of Congress. He had also received a standing ovation from the American Israel Public Affairs Affairs Committee, one of the most influential lobby groups in the United States.

But Mr Obama was less inclined to be so conciliatory. He immediately presented Mr Netanyahu with a list of 13 demands designed both to the end the feud with his administration and to build Palestinian confidence ahead of the resumption of peace talks. Key among those demands was a previously-made call to halt all new settlement construction in east Jerusalem.

When the Israeli prime minister stalled, Mr Obama rose from his seat declaring: "I'm going to the residential wing to have dinner with Michelle and the girls."
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is the same thing as "Netanyahoo did not have to go to the back of the bus and wait for Trump like Obama made him do."?
 
marke said:
No, I don't just read the Bible like a moron might, I also understand what is says and do not come up with all sorts of ridiculous erroneous interpretations.
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marke said:
Just because unsaved people don't understand the Bible is no justification for them to claim Christians have no Constitutional protections for believing the Bible.
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Right. That part of "The Bible" that you feel like complying with is "God's Word" and that means that everyone else must comply with it as well, but any part of "The Bible" that you don't feel like complying with is "all sorts of ridiculous erroneous interpretations".
 
danielpalos said:
Sure; as long as agnostics and atheists have that same and equal, protection. Our First Amendment applies.
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No Christian is ever going to threaten to close an agnostic's business down if the agnostic does not stop exercising his right to believe what he believes about God.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Really, and you think that

The snub marked a fresh low in US-Israeli relations and appeared designed to show Mr Netanyahu how low his stock had fallen in Washington after he refused to back down in a row over Jewish construction in east Jerusalem.

The Israeli prime minister arrived at the White House on Tuesday evening brimming with confidence that the worst of the crisis in his country's relationship with the United States was over.

Over the previous two days, he had been feted by senior Republicans and greeted warmly by members of Congress. He had also received a standing ovation from the American Israel Public Affairs Affairs Committee, one of the most influential lobby groups in the United States.

But Mr Obama was less inclined to be so conciliatory. He immediately presented Mr Netanyahu with a list of 13 demands designed both to the end the feud with his administration and to build Palestinian confidence ahead of the resumption of peace talks. Key among those demands was a previously-made call to halt all new settlement construction in east Jerusalem.

When the Israeli prime minister stalled, Mr Obama rose from his seat declaring: "I'm going to the residential wing to have dinner with Michelle and the girls."
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is the same thing as "Netanyahoo did not have to go to the back of the bus and wait for Trump like Obama made him do."?
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Of course. Obama sided with the Palestinians and he let Netanyahu feel it. Trump was not like that, thank God. Trump even had the US embassy moved to Jerusalem over the objections of American liberals and millions of assorted hateful ignorant bozos around the world.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
God (or rather "The Bible") also tells Christians that they should kill adulterers,
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The bible includes the new testament that tells Christians the opposite of what you allege

Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?(old testament)”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more......”"

"For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."
 
marke said:
No Christian is ever going to threaten to close an agnostic's business down if the agnostic does not stop exercising his right to believe what he believes about God.
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Quite right, they reserve that for Jews and Muslims.
 
dixon01767 said:
The bible includes the new testament that tells Christians the opposite of what you allege

Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?(old testament)”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more......”"

"For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."
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So you are telling me that it would be "unChristian" for any "Christian" to condemn anyone for doing anything that "The Bible" says should not be done, are you?

Wouldn't that mean that the bakers were breaching the tenets of Christianity by failing to bake the cake because they believed that the people who wanted it were doing something that "The Bible" said they ought not do? Or would that mean that the bakers had the right to refuse service because they were one of those who were "without sin"?

Would that the things that "Real Christians" could not object to because none of them were "without sin" include the things set out in "The 10 (more or less) Commandments"?
 
marke said:
No Christian is ever going to threaten to close an agnostic's business down if the agnostic does not stop exercising his right to believe what he believes about God.
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Why do you believe that? Right wingers want to criminalize women going around as bare breasted as men in the same venue.
 
danielpalos said:
Why do you believe that? Right wingers want to criminalize women going around as bare breasted as men in the same venue.
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I don't know about right wingers other than myself but I am definitely opposed to legalizing nakedness, mind-altering recreational drugs, abortion, gambling, sexual perversion and lots of other sinful degenerate practices which undermine good societies.

But no, I don't shoot abortion doctors and I don't try to tear down gambling businesses and seek to jail its owners, like homosexuals have done to Christians they did not like.
 
marke said:
Of course. Obama sided with the Palestinians and he let Netanyahu feel it. Trump was not like that, thank God. Trump even had the US embassy moved to Jerusalem over the objections of American liberals and millions of assorted hateful ignorant bozos around the world.
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A correction, if you please. You should have added "Left wing"bozos.
 
danielpalos said:
Why do you believe that? Right wingers want to criminalize women going around as bare breasted as men in the same venue.
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Which 'right wingers' are you referring to? I'm a 'right winger', certainly not a left winger anyway, and certainly don't mind women baring their breasts.
 
marke said:
Democrats accuse republicans of being racists. Maybe some of them are, but nobody can prove democrats switched to the republican party and kept their KKK membership. Can you even name one Democrat who switched to the republican party and kept his KKK membership? Can you name even one republican politician who is a member of the KKK? Can you prove no black politician supports blacks who call for policemen to be murdered in the street or who support black nationalism and the murder of whites for being white?
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Are you denying the racism of the current GOP? The racists left the Democratic party when Democrats such as FDR, Truman, and Ike supported equal rights for blacks, they became Dixiecrats and then why they discovered that they didn't have the same political influence Nixon welcomed them into the GOP and became Republicans unless you can prove otherwise

Here is your Dioxecrat poster boy,
James Strom Thurmond Sr. was an American politician who served for 48 years as a United States Senator from South Carolina. He ran for president in 1948 as the Dixiecrat candidate on a States Rights platform supporting racial segregation.
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This is where the dog whistle of the "states rights" came from and why racists Republicans still use it.
The States' Rights Party, also known as the Dixiecrat Party, was a short-lived political entity founded by Democrats in the South as an alternative to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and its 1948 presidential platform. In 2003, remarks expressing a nostalgic view of the States' Rights Party ignited a firestorm of controversy that led to the resignation of Republican TRENT LOTT as Senate majority leader.

The issue of states' rights has been paramount in southern politics and culture since the former British colonies evolved into the United States of America. Advocates of states' rights held that the states retained all the rights that had not been specifically delegated to the federal government. Any attempt by the federal government to exercise powers not specifically enunciated in the Constitution, was seen as an illegal usurpation of powers that rightfully belonged to the individual states. This view was one of the motivating factors of the Civil War and did not diminish with the defeat of the Confederate Army in 1865. In the period immediately after that war, the REPUBLICAN PARTY was seen as the party of ABRAHAM LINCOLN and the abolitionist forces that had not only vanquished the South but also had presided over the period known as Reconstruction. As a result, white southerners chose to join the Democratic Party and to elect only Democratic candidates to local and state office. So onesided was this electoral system that for a number of years, the former Confederate states were known as the "solid South"
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Lisa said:
Are you denying the racism of the current GOP?
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I don't deny that some on the right may be racists. Do you deny the racism of the current democrat party? I hope not.
 
marke said:
But no, I don't shoot abortion doctors and I don't try to tear down gambling businesses and seek to jail its owners, like homosexuals have done to Christians they did not like.
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When did LGBT people demolish a business or try to jail the owners?

Should non-Christian people such as Drs, EMT, nurses, judges, hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations and others be able to discriminate agsint Chritians is they cite their relgious views?
 
marke said:
I don't deny that some on the right may be racists. Do you deny the racism of the current democrat party? I hope not.
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Who are these racist democrats that oppose equal rights for others because of their skin color or other protected classes?
 
marke said:
Leftist barbarians see no problem with a middle aged man running around the house naked and sexually aroused in front of his teenage step daughters, but, of course, those barbarians are savages and don't have good sense.
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Thank goodness men no longer have to put up with their daughters getting daddy drunk, and then go off a City founding afterward.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Right. That part of "The Bible" that you feel like complying with is "God's Word" and that means that everyone else must comply with it as well, but any part of "The Bible" that you don't feel like complying with is "all sorts of ridiculous erroneous interpretations".
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They ignore the Gospels and anything else that doesn't support their bigotry. How many of the conservative hypocrites who cite Leviticus ignore every other passage of that same book? Jesus never mentioned gay people, but he did say to love others as yourself, which those same bigots ignore.
Luke 6:31
Matthew 7:12.

I've asked Marke to explain this and he runs from this like it is Kryptonite, because it is to hateful religious conservatives such as himself. He refuses to answer 75+% of the questions that I have asked him because if he did he would have to admit that the bible is just 1200 pages of ancient mythology that is very useful to use to discriminate against others who aren't as bigoted as he is because he can intellectually dishonestly hide behind the religious protections of the 1st Amendment while he claims to be another holier than thou' thumper.

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https://thesuperstitiousnakedape.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/robot1.jpg?w=610&h=393
 
Lisa said:
Who are these racist democrats that oppose equal rights for others because of their skin color or other protected classes?
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Racist democrats hate whites and republicans for all kinds of stupid reasons, mostly for not being democrats.
 
Lisa said:
Who are these racist democrats that oppose equal rights for others because of their skin color or other protected classes?
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There are some racists here, which George Bush referred to as 'the bigotry of low expectations'. The Democrats have always dealt in those terms. YouTube
 
Lisa said:
Are you denying the racism of the current GOP? The racists left the Democratic party when Democrats such as FDR, Truman, and Ike supported equal rights for blacks, they became Dixiecrats and then why they discovered that they didn't have the same political influence Nixon welcomed them into the GOP and became Republicans unless you can prove otherwise Here is your Dioxecrat poster boy, This is where the dog whistle of the "states rights" came from and why racists Republicans still use it.
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Strom Thurmond did change Parties, as he should have, but 100's of others stayed within the Democratic Party. Byrd is a good example.

But the poster boy for the Democrats would be George Wallace, who won many delegates in the Northern States during his run for the Presidency.

"Following the shooting, Wallace won primaries in Maryland and Michigan. Wallace spoke at the Democratic National Convention from his wheelchair in Miami on July 11, 1972".

1972 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Strom Thurmond did change Parties, as he should have, but 100's of others stayed within the Democratic Party. Byrd is a good example.

But the poster boy for the Democrats would be George Wallace, who won many delegates in the Northern States during his run for the Presidency.

"Following the shooting, Wallace won primaries in Maryland and Michigan. Wallace spoke at the Democratic National Convention from his wheelchair in Miami on July 11, 1972".

1972 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
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Wallace renounced his racism and apologized,
In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he was a born-again Christian and apologized to black civil rights leaders for his past actions as a segregationist. He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness.[note 2] In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: "I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over."[69] He publicly asked for forgiveness from black people.[69][70]

In the 1982 Alabama gubernatorial Democratic primary, Wallace's main opponents were Lieutenant Governor George McMillan and Alabama House Speaker Joe McCorquodale. In the primary, McCorquodale was eliminated, and the vote went to a runoff, with Wallace holding a slight edge over McMillan. Wallace won the Democratic nomination by a margin of 51 to 49 percent. In the general election, his opponent was Montgomery Republican Mayor Emory Folmar. Polling experts at first thought the 1982 election was the best chance since Reconstruction for a Republican to be elected as governor of Alabama.[citation needed] Ultimately, though, it was Wallace, not Folmar, who claimed victory.

During Wallace's final term as governor (1983–1987) he made a record number of black appointments to state positions,[71] including, for the first time, two black people as members in the same cabinet.
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