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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    We have a First Amendment.
    The First Amendment doesn't permit you to use your religious beliefs as a weapon to deny equal rights to others. Serving others as equals in a public business doesn't require that you not worship or that you believe or not believe in God as you see fit to do. Your religious rights are the right to worship and the right to believe or not to believe in god. Your religious rights are not the right to force others to obey your beliefs or to force others to take part in your beliefs or to have their secular rights limited by the bigotry that you are trying to hide in the bible.

    James Madison was adamant about this idea,
    Madison considered the bill a “dangerous abuse of power”; he reasoned that if the government could establish Christianity over other religions, then it would also have the power to elevate one Christian group over another. Madison believed that religion was a matter of individual conscience and that giving legislators control over religious belief would inevitably lead to violation of other basic rights:
    The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established
    Jesus wasn't a bigot.
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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    The First Amendment doesn't permit you to use your religious beliefs as a weapon to deny equal rights to others. Serving others as equals in a public business doesn't require that you not worship or that you believe or not believe in God as you see fit to do. Your religious rights are the right to worship and the right to believe or not to believe in god. Your religious rights are not the right to force others to obey your r be,l.ifs or to force others to take part in your beliefs or to have their secular rights limited by the bigotry that you are trying to hide in the bible.

    James Madison was adamant about this idea,




    Jesus wasnt a bigot.
    should we inform bakers?

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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    should we inform bakers?
    It will get there when the SCOTUS actually rules on this issue instead of kicking it down the road as they did a few years ago.
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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why should I care what Religious books say in our secular and temporal Constitutional Republic and with our First Amendment?
    Possibly because you cited a "religious book" in support of your position - or have you forgotten that already?

    PS - Underlying this entire thread is the question of "same-sex marriage" and "religious opposition" to them to the degree that services can be refused "on religious grounds". Or have you forgotten that, too?
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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Possibly because you cited a "religious book" in support of your position - or have you forgotten that already?

    PS - Underlying this entire thread is the question of "same-sex marriage" and "religious opposition" to them to the degree that services can be refused "on religious grounds". Or have you forgotten that, too?
    The point is, if a Baker is allegedly that Religious they would be making Augustinian, Benedictine, or Carmelite bread on a not for the profit of lucre basis.

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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    The point is, if a Baker is allegedly that Religious they would be making Augustinian, Benedictine, or Carmelite bread on a not for the profit of lucre basis.
    Simply put - "That's utter hogwash and utterly meaningless to boot.".
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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Simply put - "That's utter hogwash and utterly meaningless to boot.".
    lol. Bakers morals on a for-profit basis?

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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Why are "Mormons getting the shaft"? Polygamy, so every woman can marry a nice guy!

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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why are "Mormons getting the shaft"? Polygamy, so every woman can marry a nice guy!
    While I have enjoyed bantering with you, I do hope that you will excuse me if I don't bother to respond to your tripe in the future.

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    Re: Phoenix artists don't have to make LGBTQ wedding invitations, Arizona Supreme Court rules

    Now you know what happens when we grant "Utah and women" the franchise.

    The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

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