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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    claimed the campaign made a deal with Russian officials to defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016."
    The Trump Tower meeting.

    claimed the campaign had an “overarching deal” with “Vladimir Putin's oligarchy” to defeat the Democratic candidate."
    Obviously true. Lev worked for one in 2019.

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    No, they don't have to prove their innocence. It was too late to edit my post.
    The plaintiff has the burden but since Mr. big mouth partisan-driven defendant won't be able to disprove what Trump claims, Trump wins by default.

    a plaintiff must show four things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement
    Trump is a celebrity (and more) so he would need to also prove malice. It would in fact be hard to prove that a) it was being presented as a fact and b) that Russia didnt help in the election (already have Russians indicted for that and that Trump hasn't shown a pro Russia policy (plenty of evidence of that).

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He's going to lose.
    Some would say he's already won, given how quickly the debate has turned into "Sure the NY Times opinion section is full of made-up bull****, but is it illegal?

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    NYTimes will cream him
    No. The 1st Am. of the Constitution which he swore to defend will cream him.

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Last word?
    If not, by all means, carry on with the need to be right...

    Or you could reread what I wrote, Post #16 (Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article) and agree to disagree, TELL me what I've got wrong, or whatever it is you think that you do best.
    I already edited a previous post and addressed that. It's here (Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article) in the original but I'll repeat it:

    BTW I did check that Goldwater post - also wrong. Quoting you:

    In order for Trump to win, his attorney will prove that false statements were willfully published without any thought of malice.

    Trump would need to prove false statements were knowingly published without the author using the benefit of fact checking. Supreme Courtís New York Times v. Sullivan decision in March 1964.
    Both those statements are false. The first bolded is I assume a typo, but it's incorrect as stated, the standard is "WITH actual malice," and the second still gets the standard wrong. Actual malice requires more than being simply incorrect, false, but the author knowing it's false or with a reckless disregard for whether it's true or false.

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Apparently this is how it does work. Sen. Barry Goldwater won a libel suit against an opinionist; see SC ruling.
    https://www.debatepolitics.com/break...post1071415717 (Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article)



    Your opinion is duly noted.
    Did you read what the difference in the articles were? One was written as a scientific piece, since it made claims from psychiatrists that said he was unfit for office based on the opinions of polled psychiatrists that never evaluated Goldwater. And it was 1964. Very different times.

    Not nearly the same as a single person sharing his opinion of a situation, something written at least a couple of years ago and has at least some evidence to support the claims. Many elements would be near impossible to prove by Trumps team.

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    He's a public figure, an official even. A politician. A paper can publish he married an alien. Okay, I see it; better example. A paper could publish he gave birth to an alien. Damn. Okay, one more try. A paper could publish he is an alien. Hah.

    A paper can publish whatever they want about the President. Ask the Enquirer.

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense 1 View Post
    They let them play their silly games. They know Trump will win in November!
    The knew Hillary would win, too. How did that turn out?
    Moo...

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by hermit View Post
    The knew Hillary would win, too. How did that turn out?
    Very low turn out. Not this time.

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    Re: Trump Campaign Sues New York Times Over 2019 Opinion Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Some would say he's already won, given how quickly the debate has turned into "Sure the NY Times opinion section is full of made-up bull****, but is it illegal?
    No one but Trump lemmings is making that claim. Several of us have directly asked what's even incorrect in that editorial, as you'll know if you read any of the thread. Seems obvious to me even now that the "collusion" was direct or indirect, but the Trump team knew about the interference, welcomed it, and did what they could to help out.

    So the odds of them proving the NYT acted with "actual malice" is approximately zero, because they cannot prove the claims made in the editorial are false, much less recklessly false or the equivalent.

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