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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    It would be cool if Biden rises above Trumps crappy smear campaigns against him.
    Trump's campaign? The poo currently being flung at Biden is from his own side of the isle.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It isn't enough. Even if Biden squeeks out a win in SC, Bernie will still pull almost as many delegates and going forward with the cluttered field syphoning Biden's delegates he isn't seemingly like a man with a realistic path to victory.
    A 30 point difference isn't exactly insurmountable. There are almost 4000 left to be awarded. I'm sure Biden is concerned (especially with regards to fundraising), but the early primaries were very distorted in any case. Once Warren and Klobuchar drop out, and we get into the more 'normal' primaries, I expect Biden to surge. The picture will be much more clear after Super Tuesday.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Yeah, I think Amy is a great veep pick for both Biden & crazy enough - for Bernie! But knowing Bernie, I wouldn't doubt if he goes full-boogie & considers Ocasio-Cortez! Buttigieg has a strong place in the next Dem administration, but I do not believe he fits in as a veep choice at this time. I'd personally like him as veep, but in political terms I think he won't bring the right Yin to another white guy's Yang.
    It is interesting that Klobuchar keeps being mentioned as a potential VP pick for Biden or Sanders, and I think there's a case for her adding to either ticket.

    However, I don't see her accepting an offer from Sanders - he's out there even among liberals, and not popular within his own party. Klobuchar has the potential of being a future leader in the DNC, and being tied to 'crazy Bernie' would cut that short. I also think Sanders has no chance of winning the general election, and little chance of winning the primary. Being his VP candidate would make Klobuchar the Sarah Palin of the left - relegated to being a guest commentator on MSNBC.

    I also get the feeling Bernie will make an early pick, and it will be someone out of left field.

    I think Buttigieg is positioning himself for an appointment. I just don't see him as having the experience to get on the ticket - he's a town mayor, who's never been involved in national politics. If he continues to present himself well, I think it would be foolish of the nominee to not ask for his support in exchange for an cabinet position.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Neither was Trump, but voila'. Don't underestimate the American public.
    It's not up to the public - it's up to Bernie. I could see him pulling a John McCain and adding a VP pick out of left field. Hoping he's smart enough not to pick that one.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Cole View Post
    Good news. I hope Biden makes a comeback.
    Ain’t happening.

    But staying in helps Bernie.

    So I hope he keeps hoping too.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by dcsports View Post
    A 30 point difference isn't exactly insurmountable. There are almost 4000 left to be awarded. I'm sure Biden is concerned (especially with regards to fundraising), but the early primaries were very distorted in any case. Once Warren and Klobuchar drop out, and we get into the more 'normal' primaries, I expect Biden to surge. The picture will be much more clear after Super Tuesday.
    Yeah, but I believe the vast majority of Warren supporters will go to Bernie. In fact, she will throw her support to Bernie herself - if & when she drops.

    However, when adding-up the numbers the two wings of the part to seem to be pretty evenly split.
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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Despite Bernie's meteoric rise, I'm thinking Biden may win SC (helped by the debate), and then run competitively enough to stay-in as some others drop. This could stop Bernie from having a strongly decisive win, forcing a sloppy brokered convention. Super Tuesday will tell the tale, of what the future will likely be.

    But if Biden loses or barely squeaks by here in SC, woe is he.
    SC primary is a messy business to being with.

    1. Biden is 20 delegates behind sanders now. that is huge.
    2. In South carolina there is a total of 65 delegates up for grabs.
    3. There are multiple splits in the ballot on which delegates to go which person.

    polling right now as of last night has Biden at 30% and Sanders at 23%.
    This could change between then and primary day but given that Steyer is polling at 20% as well.
    this is hurting Biden big time. If steyer was not involved i would say most of his votes go to biden
    which would give biden a bigger win. As it sets now Steyer is basically ham stringing Biden in this state.

    If Bidens wins he will not win enough delegates to fill in the gap.
    he might pick up 5 or 6 more delegates than Sanders but that would still mean a considerable gap
    in the counts.

    biden would have to just destroy sanders in SC and get almost a complete shut out.
    honestly this is bidens waterloo at this point. if he fails or barely makes it out then he is done.

    he has to win and he has to win big but all signs are not showing that at all.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by dcsports View Post
    A 30 point difference isn't exactly insurmountable. There are almost 4000 left to be awarded. I'm sure Biden is concerned (especially with regards to fundraising), but the early primaries were very distorted in any case. Once Warren and Klobuchar drop out, and we get into the more 'normal' primaries, I expect Biden to surge. The picture will be much more clear after Super Tuesday.
    Normally i would agree with this and say that sanders has a loosely held lead, but he is gaining huge momentum in places like
    CA and texas and if come super tuesday can grab even a purality of delegates he wins because the others can't catch him.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by dcsports View Post
    A 30 point difference isn't exactly insurmountable. There are almost 4000 left to be awarded. I'm sure Biden is concerned (especially with regards to fundraising), but the early primaries were very distorted in any case. Once Warren and Klobuchar drop out, and we get into the more 'normal' primaries, I expect Biden to surge. The picture will be much more clear after Super Tuesday.
    As it stands, Sanders is leading Biden in every Super Tuesday poll. Some states by double digits. After Super Tuesday will be too late. After ST I think Steyer will drop, maybe Klobuchar and Warren do too. Let's say all 3 do. The only one of those 3 polling strongly going forward at all (other than Minnesota which is part of ST) is Warren.

    Alot of Warren supports are pretty far left. It stands to reason they won't all go to Biden. So Biden, trailing 50-75 delegates after ST and currently losing most states after ST would need to pull half of Warren supporters, all of Klubuchars, and all of Steyers.

    There is no reasonable path for Biden as long a Bloomberg and Pete are there. Biden, Bloomberg, and Pete are killing each other and handing this to Sanders. I get that people don't like Sanders and want to avoid facing his nomination but the math is there to see.

    And to be clear I am not saying this because of Iowa and NH. They are what they are. I am saying this because of the way the DNC primaries work. After ST Biden would need to pull 10-15% more than Sanders in almost every post ST state in order take the lead. This means he would need everyone to drop and make it a 2 person race and pull those voters to his side consistently. And this from a guy who is falling in support.
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    Re: Biden nabs James Clyburn endorsement before South Carolina primary

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Normally i would agree with this and say that sanders has a loosely held lead, but he is gaining huge momentum in places like
    CA and texas and if come super tuesday can grab even a purality of delegates he wins because the others can't catch him.
    There's still a LOT of delegates after Super Tuesday. Bernie would have to blow everyone else out of the water to be in an unstoppable position. Adding a few more delegates to his lead won't do it. It becomes a new race with 2-3 people left.

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