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1 in every 3 Venezuelans hungry - UN

HenryChinaski said:
So was I, missing meals and scraps from food pantries and all of that. Which is why I am an advocate of SNAP, WIC, and School lunch programs. Without these programs I wouldn't have eaten. A prosperous and compassionate society has programs in place to help feed those that need assistance.
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We didn't have SNAP when I was young. I'm still here. I am for SNAP for struggling people but not for welfare for more than about a month unless the person works for the benefits
 
Paradoxical said:
Been there, done that Kreton. Being hungry is a good thing. Don't try to deny people that valuable teaching lesson.
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"being hungry" figuratively is good for a boxer or an Opera singer. There is nothing "good" about "Literal hunger" for a 6 year old child or a 70 year old woman.
 
ludin said:
I think the point is they spread the wealth around so much there isn't anymore to spread.
of course that doesn't mean that the political elite aren't living it up.

they are living it up as course.
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And, of course, they don't have the diversity of income. They put it all in one bucket, the oil industry, and when the oil prices crashed, boom went the economy. The corruption didn't help either. Then, of course, when trying to compare Saunder's proposed policies, and the economic policies of Venezuela, there is the straw man of democratic socialism doesn't mean that capitalism doesn't exist, but rather those items that are essential to people are managed by the government and paid for via taxes to eliminate the profit motive and reduce costs. These items in specific are education and health care.

I wonder why the right keeps on misrepresenting things, and lying about it, rather than address the actual points and issue?
 
Paradoxical said:
We didn't have SNAP when I was young. I'm still here. I am for SNAP for struggling people but not for welfare for more than about a month unless the person works for the benefits
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How old are you? Food stamps existed in the 1970's. I was 7 years old when my mother had to resort to collecting food stamps for 18 months due to her employer letting her go. She was struggling with cancer and couldn't work. The bold sounds great if the world were black and white, but it's not and everyone's situations and circumstances are different.
 
Paradoxical said:
Really? Maybe it was because I was often "hungry" as a kid. Actually it takes a pretty F***** up mentality to think hunger isn't a great teaching tool. You may have been fat and happy all your life and when you get to the real world, you can't cope because no one wants to feed you any more.
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I think many people getting on food assistance also need a class in meal planning.
A quick search shows that SNAP provides $646 dollars a month for food.
SNAP Food Benefits | How to Get Help
That is $149 a week, which while not perfect, should keep everyone from going hungry.
To Maximize the impact, some cooking is involved.
Rice, beans, chicken, pork, some fish and beef, potatoes, vegetables.
A person starting from scratch would need some spices, but it could be done.
A quick look at an ad for a discount grocery store.
Weekly Grocery Ads & Food Town Specials | Food Town
Chicken Drumsticks $.77 per pound ~$3.20 per package, good for two meals.
Pork Country style ribs, $1.29 per pound, ~$4.00 per package, good for two meals.
25lb bag of rice, $8.99 good for about 12 meals
Top Round roast and eye of round roast, $2.99 per pound, ~$9.00, good for 3 meals.
Boneless Chicken Thighs, $1.79/lb ~$6.00 per package, good for 2 meals
Coupon on bottom of ad for free dozen eggs with $20 purchase.
Loaf of bread $.89
packages of Tuna, $.99
Some other basics like a bag of potatoes, tortillas, Tomatoes, lettuce, ect.
So far we are up to about $35 dollars of our $149 for the week, but already have enough
to keep the kids from going hungry.
 
zimmer said:
Ain’t Socialism great?

Lining up for nothing.

They feel the “Bern”... in their stomachs.

Reagan was wrong... they cannot even provide bacon and beans for their slaves.
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Trump's efforts there have been a smashing success, if you're Putin.
 
Bernie's paradise.
 
ludin said:
The VA is a disaster. they are more worried about putting paintings on a wall than treating veterans.
my grandfather went to the VA and was told sorry we can't perform that here. we don't have the equipment.
he had to go to St. Mary's. they covered his entire medical stay.

Medicare is expensive. it isn't cheap. my insurance i have now is cheaper than medicare.
People are stupid wanting more government but we already knew that.

FDR was a disaster. he left us programs that are bankrupting the US.
They are a common failure every time they have been implemented.
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The VA is a disaster because your grandfather had a bad experience but was sent to another hospital where he got treatment and likely they billed the VA? is that a catastrophe or is your grandpa just a crank? I just put my wife on Medicare with a supplemental, 230 bucks a month. Are you seriously trying to tell us your private plan is cheaper and better then what she just signed up for? As for the FDR is a disaster meme, my bet is you listen to Rush and watch Hannity. FDR is always in the top three Presidents of all time, you could look it up. In a book.
 
Paradoxical said:
Hunger is a great teacher, even if it is a child that is hungry. All it means is he or she isn't getting everything he or she wants and that makes them appreciate things more. But, i would challenge that 40 million figure as being outlandish. We don't know what their criteria for "being hungry" is.
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Hunger is a great teacher? Try it sometime then, you apparently need to learn a lesson. I have news for you. I was very, very hungry for about one month once while traveling in Sudan and Uganda. I lost about 20 pounds in a month, ate one onion, a can of halvah and a can of sardines every day for two weeks straight. I was hungry and believe me it's not fun. Did it teach me something? You bet. No one should ever go hungry, ever.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, of course, they don't have the diversity of income. They put it all in one bucket, the oil industry, and when the oil prices crashed, boom went the economy. The corruption didn't help either. Then, of course, when trying to compare Saunder's proposed policies, and the economic policies of Venezuela, there is the straw man of democratic socialism doesn't mean that capitalism doesn't exist, but rather those items that are essential to people are managed by the government and paid for via taxes to eliminate the profit motive and reduce costs. These items in specific are education and health care.

I wonder why the right keeps on misrepresenting things, and lying about it, rather than address the actual points and issue?
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Sanders plans are all pie in the sky great until he runs out of money to pay for them.
All of his free stuff is going to cost tax payers 97 trillion dollars in new spending.

Even with all of Sanders tax increases he still can't cover the bulk of all his free stuff.

So i wonder why Sanders and the left have to keep on misrepresenting things, and lying about it, rather than address the actual points and issues?
your projections are fallacies not arguments.

The oil prices in VZ were only part of the problem. Much of the middle east economy is based on oil yet no problems there.
even when the prices fell. VZs biggest issue was that government took over economic sectors and started controlling the means of
production and who was in charge of it.

People that knew what they were doing were ousted and productivity fells through the floor as well as quality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-is-biggest-economic-disaster-modern-history/
 
Vadinho said:
The VA is a disaster because your grandfather had a bad experience but was sent to another hospital where he got treatment and likely they billed the VA? is that a catastrophe or is your grandpa just a crank? I just put my wife on Medicare with a supplemental, 230 bucks a month. Are you seriously trying to tell us your private plan is cheaper and better then what she just signed up for? As for the FDR is a disaster meme, my bet is you listen to Rush and watch Hannity. FDR is always in the top three Presidents of all time, you could look it up. In a book.
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How VA hospitals are a government-run disaster
No they are a disaster because they are government run.

Yep it is. I don't need supplemental plans in addition to pay other medicare costs as well.
also i have a family it isn't just me and my wife. so it would be well more than 230 bucks.

my premium payment is 250 and it covers my whole family for medical, dental, and vision.
your paying 230 bucks for 1 person.
 
ludin said:
Sanders plans are all pie in the sky great until he runs out of money to pay for them.
All of his free stuff is going to cost tax payers 97 trillion dollars in new spending.

Even with all of Sanders tax increases he still can't cover the bulk of all his free stuff.

So i wonder why Sanders and the left have to keep on misrepresenting things, and lying about it, rather than address the actual points and issues?
your projections are fallacies not arguments.

The oil prices in VZ were only part of the problem. Much of the middle east economy is based on oil yet no problems there.
even when the prices fell. VZs biggest issue was that government took over economic sectors and started controlling the means of
production and who was in charge of it.

People that knew what they were doing were ousted and productivity fells through the floor as well as quality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-is-biggest-economic-disaster-modern-history/
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That's the lie people are telling you.
 
RAMOSS said:
That's the lie people are telling you.
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it isn't a lie when they are facts. you need to learn the difference.
you want to know what the lie is?

it's free. that is the lie.
 
ludin said:
How VA hospitals are a government-run disaster
No they are a disaster because they are government run.

Yep it is. I don't need supplemental plans in addition to pay other medicare costs as well.
also i have a family it isn't just me and my wife. so it would be well more than 230 bucks.

my premium payment is 250 and it covers my whole family for medical, dental, and vision.
your paying 230 bucks for 1 person.
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Whats your deductible? No one gets a good plan for medical, dental and vision for a family to 250 bucks a month unless you are perhaps being subsidized. The VA is a disaster because it is government run? Are army hospitals a disaster too? Navy hospitals? Drink some more koolaid.
 
Vadinho said:
Whats your deductible? No one gets a good plan for medical, dental and vision for a family to 250 bucks a month unless you are perhaps being subsidized. The VA is a disaster because it is government run? Are army hospitals a disaster too? Navy hospitals? Drink some more koolaid.
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I just gave you an article on why they are a disaster. why are you ignoring the article?
ol yea leftist ignore facts on purpose.

my deductible is whatever the government put the deductibles at.
I have very good insurance through my employer. I don't need sanders ****ty insurance.
 
ludin said:
I just gave you an article on why they are a disaster. why are you ignoring the article?
ol yea leftist ignore facts on purpose.

my deductible is whatever the government put the deductibles at.
I have very good insurance through my employer. I don't need sanders ****ty insurance.
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That's awesome. I hope you never lose your job or contract a debilitating disease that leaves you unable to work. COBRA runs out pretty quick.
 
HenryChinaski said:
That's awesome. I hope you never lose your job or contract a debilitating disease that leaves you unable to work. COBRA runs out pretty quick.
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COBRA is a crock of crap.
I have gone without insurance when i was working.
didn't have it. it cost me 75 bucks to see a doctor and another 20 for the meds.
 
ludin said:
Yes and we also do most of the RND in medical research.
The US has the best medical technology, procedures, and doctors in the world.

It costs a good bit of money to maintain those things.
You also have access to drugs here in america that you do not have access to in other countries.
they have been deemed too expensive.

It wan't until 2006 that Europe finally approved the use of herceptin and allowed their NHS plans to buy it.
before that women with breast cancer couldn't get this life saving drug but women in the US could.

actually our health outcomes are better. when you get rid of things that do not involve healthcare the US ranks number 1.
our healthcare could be way better but it isn't mostly do to government.
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Much of that is wrong or misleading, but the point is spending double what many EU countries do on healthcare adds to GDP but doesn't impact the well being of the vast majority of citizens. It's a well known weakness of GDP. GDP will go up after a hurricane, for example, and that's counted as local GDP but no one argues that massive new spending to fix a bunch of destroyed houses added to well being of that area's residents. Flooding same thing.

And GDP per capita doesn't measure the distribution of the gains. It's kind of like average (mean) salary/income. Warren Buffett walks into a bar and the average wealth of bar patrons will jump dramatically to maybe $10 million each, easy. Doesn't mean those just stopping by for a beer saw any benefit....
 
ludin said:
I was simply making a counter point. We have programs like that here were i live.
So if people here are hungry there are several organizations and church's that do hunger programs and have
food banks that people can come and get food at no cost.

I know our church had a bread program in which they gathers hundreds of loafs of breads and then gave it out to
different food programs that fed the hungry.

we joined with another church in doing a feed the kid thing where they would make hundreds of tray's of food and give them
to the schools for kids to eat.

there was one person that paid off all of the school lunch debt for kids here. it was about 5k dollars.
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Yes, and those work because the vast majority of the working poor get EBT, and food banks are needed for those families that for whatever reason fall through the cracks. Food banks aren't a substitute for EBT, but a complement to them. Same with things like free clinics - hugely beneficial to some people, but end Medicaid and there's no way the "charity" component can keep up, nor is that an efficient use of resources long term.
 
ludin said:
ignoring the facts do not make them go away. VZ use to be one of the most prosperous central american countries out there
no one went without and they actually had low levels of poverty. When that guy and his brother took over they turned
the country into a cesspool of death and decay by their policies.

it took no time at all to turn VZ from a prosperous country into a dump.

that is the problem with socialism you run out of other peoples money.
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Sorry but that is bull****. Venezuela might be bad now, but claiming that it was some sort of paradise before Chavez is bs. There is a reason that Chavez won a free and fair election.

A huge portion of the population before Chavez were poor and disenfranchised by the American backed Conservative oligarch elites that had run the country for a century or more. They controlled oil and commerce and getting access to the market went through them and no way would they allow international, let alone domestic competition unless it benefitted them. And certainly they would never allow the poor masses, of which most of the indegeous population was part off..let them get any sort of power. Rigging elections was the norm. That they got too cocky and opened the door to Chavez is well..

While I in no way support Chavez or Mudoro, I do understand what put them in power in the first place. American conservatives should read a history book once in a while.

On top of that the US has actively tried to destabilise Venezuela since Chavez took power which does not exactly help.




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ludin said:
COBRA is a crock of crap.
I have gone without insurance when i was working.
didn't have it. it cost me 75 bucks to see a doctor and another 20 for the meds.
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That's awesome. I hope you never lose your job and get a brain tumor or Leukemia. Because then you will learn two things, how good medical care service truly is in this country and what real financial hardship is.
 
PeteEU said:
Sorry but that is bull****. Venezuela might be bad now, but claiming that it was some sort of paradise before Chavez is bs. There is a reason that Chavez won a free and fair election.
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I never said it was a paradise but it was much better off and a loaf of bread didn't cost you 3m bolivars.
a 1kilo of meat wasn't 12m bolivars. toilet paper wasn't 4m bolivars. although now bolivars are so useless they
are basically toilet paper.

A huge portion of the population before Chavez were poor and disenfranchised by the American backed Conservative oligarch elites that had run the country for a century or more. They controlled oil and commerce and getting access to the market went through them and no way would they allow international, let alone domestic competition unless it benefitted them. And certainly they would never allow the poor masses, of which most of the indegeous population was part off..let them get any sort of power. Rigging elections was the norm. That they got too cocky and opened the door to Chavez is well..
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After Chavez the whole population is living in complete poverty unless you are high enough up in chavez order.
Yep and people could put food on their table and had jobs. now they can't afford rice. which a 1k of rice cost about 10m bolivars.

While I in no way support Chavez or Mudoro, I do understand what put them in power in the first place. American conservatives should read a history book once in a while.
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yea you should see how they destroyed their country in the span of a few years.
they went from one of the wealthiest to one of the most destitute.





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ludin said:
it isn't a lie when they are facts. you need to learn the difference.
you want to know what the lie is?

it's free. that is the lie.
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THat is the right wing misrepresentation, yes.
 
ludin said:
I just gave you an article on why they are a disaster. why are you ignoring the article?
ol yea leftist ignore facts on purpose.

my deductible is whatever the government put the deductibles at.
I have very good insurance through my employer. I don't need sanders ****ty insurance.
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The article was from the Post and 2014 during the middle of the sequester and tea bagger revolt against deficits. I seem to remember that folks seemed pretty peeved when our first black POTUS ran a deficit. Those folks don't care anymore now. It is easy to write an article about problems in an agency as large and complicated as the VA. Just find a bunch of pissed off vets and you have a lead. I know plenty of vets and none of them complain. Complaints like this are similar to ones the right trots out about the NHS after Tories gutted their budgets for years. In essence, your position is not about the VA, its about government being completely incompetent at everything. When I hear this line of reasoning I know I am dealing with an ideologue and not an honest observer. As for your insurance policy, if it comes from your employer then they are picking up most of your cost, good for you. As for Bernie's plan, it is simply an extension of Medicare which works very well. I have plenty of rabid Trump humping buddies over 65 that seem to never complain about Medicare. Why is that?
 
RAMOSS said:
THat is the right wing misrepresentation, yes.
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the right isn't running around saying that it is free that would be the left.
however i already posted the articles i needed to that proved you wrong.

that is all i needed to do.
 
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