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[W:169]Russia Is Said to Be Interfering to Aid Sanders in Democratic Primaries

Moderate Right said:
Not one person has been prosecuted or convicted of colluding with Russia to influence the election. Not one.
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Um, Paul Manafort was an unregistered agent of Putin's Ukraine pick Yanukovych/Party of Regions, and was prosecuted for it. He was a totally plugged-in oligarch tool, had been for years....and was prosecuted for not reporting those payments.

Oh, I forgot, he was bone spurs campaign manager....
 
tacomancer said:
Russia does want to sow discord and they are taking advantage of the US infighting. That has zero to do with the democratic party priorities. The democrats just want to return America back to normal.

The fact that you want to turn this into a conspiracy theory and read more into it than is there is on you.
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Who do you suppose is causing this 'infighting'? It is not 'normal' to have an immediate two year investigation that goes nowhere, nor an impeachment process over an innocuous phone call. Do you think it is?
 
tacomancer said:
Russia does want to sow discord and they are taking advantage of the US infighting. That has zero to do with the democratic party priorities. The democrats just want to return America back to normal.

The fact that you want to turn this into a conspiracy theory and read more into it than is there is on you.
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What do you think has been happening for three years? Discord and infighting and questioning democracy.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, Paul Manafort was an unregistered agent of Putin's Ukraine pick Yanukovych/Party of Regions, and was prosecuted for it. He was a totally plugged-in oligarch tool, had been for years....and was prosecuted for not reporting those payments.

Oh, I forgot, he was bone spurs campaign manager....
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Please post proof than Manafort was charged or convicted of colluding with Russia to influence the election.
 
Moderate Right said:
What do you think has been happening for three years? Discord and infighting and questioning democracy.
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The president has been (ineffectively) held to account for his poor behavior.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Who do you suppose is causing this 'infighting'? It is not 'normal' to have an immediate two year investigation that goes nowhere, nor an impeachment process over an innocuous phone call. Do you think it is?
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Because the deplorables are trying to remake this country into something it is not and never was.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
The facts agree with him. You must be aware of what the Democrats have been up to since well before Trump was even sworn in, no?
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I am aware that they are trying to defend this country, yes. I can see where it might look like infighting or chaos to some though.
 
tacomancer said:
a fascist country ruled by a strong man
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What makes us a fascist country? Because we don't want to destroy historic statues that have been around for generations? Because we name things for Christopher Columbus, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson? Because we want to keep Muslim terrorists out (while letting in Muslims who are not terrorists)? Of wanting to stop illegal immigration and make people come in through the front door? Of expecting immigrants who want to come to our country to make it themselves, without going on the public dole, or their kids going on the public dole?

My ancestors came to America from Europe. They got jobs and took care of themselves. The US gave them nothing but opportunity and they took that opportunity. If they want to come here legally for opportunity, then fine, but we don't give them or the kids one dime. If they don't make it they don't make it. Their own communities, family, and friends can help them out, not the government.

Is Trump a Fascist?
 
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The New York Times writes that american intelligence does not know how Russia specifically interferes in the election. The harsh truth about russian interference in the american election is that there is absolutely nothing to interfere with. This elderly Politburo is doing a great job by itself, the main thing is not to interfere with them.
 
Moderate Right said:
What makes us a fascist country? Because we don't want to destroy historic statues that have been around for generations? Because we name things for Christopher Columbus, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson? Because we want to keep Muslim terrorists out (while letting in Muslims who are not terrorists)? Of wanting to stop illegal immigration and make people come in through the front door? Of expecting immigrants who want to come to our country to make it themselves, without going on the public dole, or their kids going on the public dole?

My ancestors came to America from Europe. They got jobs and took care of themselves. The US gave them nothing but opportunity and they took that opportunity. If they want to come here legally for opportunity, then fine, but we don't give them or the kids one dime. If they don't make it they don't make it. Their own communities, family, and friends can help them out, not the government.

Is Trump a Fascist?
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We aren't there yet, but with the attacks on the media, judiciary, career officials (who disagree with Trump's opinion of the day), overruling the military, etc. All cheered on by a crowd who was gleeful when Trump offered to pay the lawyers fees for people who beat up dissenters...

yeah, we are on the road and people like you are enabling him.
 
The fact there are imbeciles out there still buying some of the **** the Trump Regime is selling at this late stage honestly makes me pretty ****ing nauseous...
 
The fact is the Russians and the Republican comrades prefer Trump.
 
tacomancer said:
We aren't there yet, but with the attacks on the media, judiciary, career officials (who disagree with Trump's opinion of the day), overruling the military, etc. All cheered on by a crowd who was gleeful when Trump offered to pay the lawyers fees for people who beat up dissenters...

yeah, we are on the road and people like you are enabling him.
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The media are biased. Therefore, they are the enemy of the people and they should be called out for their bias and dishonesty. The media haven't been trusted for decades. Attacks are just attacks, just like the left attack Trump 24/7. The left have this idea that they can attack whomever they want but the other side shouldn't be allowed to attack back. Many "career" officials are deep state. The president is in charge and makes the decisions, not "career" officials. Their opinions can be noted but they are not in charge. If they actively try to take down a legitimately elected official then they should go. If they try subverting the will of the president, they should go. If they want to run for office and be the top dog then they should do that. Same thing with the military. The president is commander in chief, not the "military". Now we have a group of thugs from Bernie's side but you call out Trump's thugs and not Bernie's thugs. Hell, it was an ex member of Bernie's campaign who shot up Congressional Republicans.
 
Moderate Right said:
The media are biased. Therefore, they are the enemy of the people and they should be called out for their bias and dishonesty. The media haven't been trusted for decades. Attacks are just attacks, just like the left attack Trump 24/7. The left have this idea that they can attack whomever they want but the other side shouldn't be allowed to attack back. Many "career" officials are deep state. The president is in charge and makes the decisions, not "career" officials. Their opinions can be noted but they are not in charge. If they actively try to take down a legitimately elected official then they should go. If they try subverting the will of the president, they should go. If they want to run for office and be the top dog then they should do that. Same thing with the military. The president is commander in chief, not the "military". Now we have a group of thugs from Bernie's side but you call out Trump's thugs and not Bernie's thugs. Hell, it was an ex member of Bernie's campaign who shot up Congressional Republicans.
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The conservatives are just butt hurt that they don't always get their way in the media and instead of accepting reality, they came up with their own narrative based on conspiracy theories so that they can feel good instead of adapting to reality. We all suffer as a country because of their unwillingness to face facts.

I am glad people are disagreeing with the president, he is a byproduct of that unwillingness to face reality and now seeks to extend his bubble into government, which means when we shift back to reality, its just going to hurt the country more until that wound can be healed.
 
Moderate Right said:
Please post proof than Manafort was charged or convicted of colluding with Russia to influence the election.
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There is no criminal charge in USC of "colluding", it is like asking me to show Manafort was charged with breeding unicorns, the statute does not exist. But, he was acting, as was bone spur, in the interests of Putin, ie the removal of sanctions.

Moderate Right said:
Not one person has been prosecuted or convicted of colluding with Russia to influence the election. Not one.
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tacomancer said:
The conservatives are just butt hurt that they don't always get their way in the media and instead of accepting reality, they came up with their own narrative based on conspiracy theories so that they can feel good instead of adapting to reality. We all suffer as a country because of their unwillingness to face facts.

I am glad people are disagreeing with the president, he is a byproduct of that unwillingness to face reality and now seeks to extend his bubble into government, which means when we shift back to reality, its just going to hurt the country more until that wound can be healed.
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Conservatives hardly ever get their way in the media because the media is biased to the left. People haven't trusted the media for decades and yet the left attack Trump for saying what everyone already knew - Americans already don't trust the media to report without a bias or to be fair. Most media are the enemy of the people. That's just a fact. The media have a left wing agenda they want to push on their sheeples.
 
Moderate Right said:
Conservatives hardly ever get their way in the media because the media is biased to the left. People haven't trusted the media for decades and yet the left attack Trump for saying what everyone already knew - Americans already don't trust the media to report without a bias or to be fair. Most media are the enemy of the people.
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You are confusing your subculture for general american culture (which isn't generally conservative or liberal). This is a mistake most conservatives make when they talk about how things are viewed in society.
 
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