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[W:169]Russia Is Said to Be Interfering to Aid Sanders in Democratic Primaries

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WASHINGTON — Russia has been trying to intervene in the Democratic primaries to aid Senator Bernie Sanders, according to people familiar with the matter, and intelligence officials recently briefed him about Russian interference in the election, Mr. Sanders said on Friday.

In a statement on Friday, Mr. Sanders denounced Russia, calling President Vladimir V. Putin an “autocratic thug” and warning Moscow to stay out of the election.

“Let’s be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election,” Mr. Sanders said.

He also told reporters that he was briefed about a month ago.

“The intelligence community is telling us Russia is interfering in this campaign right now in 2020,” Mr. Sanders said on Friday in Bakersfield, Calif., where he was to hold a rally ahead of Saturday’s Nevada caucuses. “And what I say to Mr. Putin, ‘If I am elected president, trust me you will not be interfering in American elections.’”

The Russians also worked to support — or at least not harm — Mr. Sanders in 2016. Operatives at a Russian intelligence-backed troll factory were instructed to avoid attacking Mr. Sanders or Mr. Trump, according to the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. The report quoted internal documents from the Internet Research Agency ordering operatives to attack Hillary Clinton’s campaign. “Use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest except for Sanders and Trump — we support them,” the document said.

The Russians are going all out to get Trump reelected. They are even supporting the Democratic candidate widely thought to be the least electable in a general election.
 
Does anyone honestly think Russia wouldn't prefer comrade Bernie?
 
The Russians prefer Comrade Trump, D.
 
If the Russians prefer Trump over Bernie-crats maybe they're not so bad after all. We should welcome them and encourage them.
 
Here's the bottom line, put aside both Trump and Sanders for a minute. The bottom line is that Russia has endeavored to do one thing, to create distrust in the American people about the validity of our elections. That's it. Once people on either side are entirely skeptical of the authenticity of the outcome, there will be trouble.

For example, let's say that Bernie wins. Trump and his henchmen like Nunes,Colins Meadows, McCarthy etc. will all say 'Invalid!'. If Trump wins, the left will all say 'Russia helped him illegally!'

So what happen in this scenario? If Bernie wins, Trump will simply declare the election invalid and refuse to leave office. His Senators will support his decision as will his Intelligence agencies since his boy is Director of Nat Intel now and Bill Barr is his Roy Cohn. What happens if Trump wins? Nothing, he will continue to rule as a dictator doing everything and anything he wants to do.

It doesn't matter what anyone says about Bernie Sanders and whether or not he's a Russian operative. He won't win anyway. People will not elect Sanders because the Trump campaign will push out propaganda for the next 8 months warning Americans about electing a socialist.
 
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The Russians are going all out to get Trump reelected. They are even supporting the Democratic candidate widely thought to be the least electable in a general election.

What you over look, is that either way Putin Wins.
The guy is a master at the game.
 
Here's the bottom line, put aside both Trump and Sanders for a minute. The bottom line is that Russia has endeavored do one thing, to create distrust in the American people about the validity of our elections. That's it. Once people on either side are entirely skeptical of the authenticity of the outcome, there will be trouble.

For example, let's say that Bernie wins. Trump and his henchmen like Nunes,Colins Meadows, McCarthy etc. will all say 'Invalid!'. If Trump wins, the left will all say 'Russia helped him illegally!'

So what happen in this scenario? If Bernie wins, Trump will simply declare the election invalid and refuse to leave office. His Senators will support his decision as will his Intelligence agencies since his boy is Director of Nat Intel now and Bill Barr is his Roy Cohn. What happens if Trump wins? Nothing, he will continue to rule as a dictator doing everything and anything he wants to do.

It doesn't matter what anyone says about Bernie Sanders and whether or not he's a Russian operative. He won't win anyway. People will not elect Sanders because the Trump campaign will push out propaganda for the next 8 months warning Americans about electing a socialist.

Good post.

We might well assume that the "revelation" regarding Bernie is part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Propaganda is extremely complex and sophisticated. Russia seems to have mastered it. Propaganda plays well in an open society of people who can't be bothered with being aware of it.
 
So why would Putin support Trump in 2016, and now suddenly he supports Sanders and wants to help him get elected instead of Trump??

That makes absolutely no sense
 
So why would Putin support Trump in 2016, and now suddenly he supports Sanders and wants to help him get elected instead of Trump??

That makes absolutely no sense

It does if you want to sow chaos between the citizenry
 
The Russians are going all out to get Trump reelected. They are even supporting the Democratic candidate widely thought to be the least electable in a general election.

Hahaha!!!

Democrats: Russians might be helping Trump... DAMN YOU TRUMP!!

Same Democrats: Russians might be helping Bernie... DAMN YOU TRUMP!!

:roll:
 
Here's the bottom line, put aside both Trump and Sanders for a minute. The bottom line is that Russia has endeavored to do one thing, to create distrust in the American people about the validity of our elections. That's it. Once people on either side are entirely skeptical of the authenticity of the outcome, there will be trouble.

For example, let's say that Bernie wins. Trump and his henchmen like Nunes,Colins Meadows, McCarthy etc. will all say 'Invalid!'. If Trump wins, the left will all say 'Russia helped him illegally!'

So what happen in this scenario? If Bernie wins, Trump will simply declare the election invalid and refuse to leave office. His Senators will support his decision as will his Intelligence agencies since his boy is Director of Nat Intel now and Bill Barr is his Roy Cohn. What happens if Trump wins? Nothing, he will continue to rule as a dictator doing everything and anything he wants to do.

It doesn't matter what anyone says about Bernie Sanders and whether or not he's a Russian operative. He won't win anyway. People will not elect Sanders because the Trump campaign will push out propaganda for the next 8 months warning Americans about electing a socialist.

So, so so much irony.
 
So why would Putin support Trump in 2016, and now suddenly he supports Sanders and wants to help him get elected instead of Trump??

That makes absolutely no sense

Because Putin’s goal is chaos and to keep America fighting from within.
 
There's not a shred of irony there. 'Divide and conquer', it's as simple as that.

Well, you still don't get it. Your post is exactly the kind of nutty, baseless kind of nonsense that Russian meddling is trying to foster. YOU are an example of Russian success.

Russia meddling with Bernie is exactly the same as Russian meddling in 2016 because it worked so well on you guys the last time.
 
Does the DOJ and FBI have a counter intelligence operation ongoing to spy on and entrap Bernie and company (for insurance in case he should win)? Asking for a friend.

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Here's the bottom line, put aside both Trump and Sanders for a minute. The bottom line is that Russia has endeavored to do one thing, to create distrust in the American people about the validity of our elections. That's it. Once people on either side are entirely skeptical of the authenticity of the outcome, there will be trouble.

For example, let's say that Bernie wins. Trump and his henchmen like Nunes,Colins Meadows, McCarthy etc. will all say 'Invalid!'. If Trump wins, the left will all say 'Russia helped him illegally!'

So what happen in this scenario? If Bernie wins, Trump will simply declare the election invalid and refuse to leave office. His Senators will support his decision as will his Intelligence agencies since his boy is Director of Nat Intel now and Bill Barr is his Roy Cohn. What happens if Trump wins? Nothing, he will continue to rule as a dictator doing everything and anything he wants to do.

It doesn't matter what anyone says about Bernie Sanders and whether or not he's a Russian operative. He won't win anyway. People will not elect Sanders because the Trump campaign will push out propaganda for the next 8 months warning Americans about electing a socialist.

So where was this analysis over the past three or so years when Russia had sent anti-Trump dirt to the Clinton campaign via the famous Steele dossier?

Maybe those who think and thought that Trump had conspired with Russia ect ect ect were victims of a Russian disinformation campaign.
 
There's not a shred of irony there. 'Divide and conquer', it's as simple as that.

It is ironic.

You spent the last last three years screaming about Trump had conspired with Russia, supporting investigations ect ect ect.
Now you say Oops my bad when Sanders is supposedly the beneficiary of Russia's largesse?
 
1) The oligarchy hates Bernie; this includes oligarchic mouthpiece the NYT.

2) Democrats spend 4 years sowing discord, blame Russia.

:shrug:
 
It does if you want to sow chaos between the citizenry
Diabolical!

Now...if only there was way Putin could sow his discord...but that would require a concerted effort between party and media in order to manipulate weak minded simpletons.........

 
The Russians are going all out to get Trump reelected. They are even supporting the Democratic candidate widely thought to be the least electable in a general election.

Bernie loves the old Soviet Union. He spent 10 days while on his Honeymoon!

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If the Russians prefer Trump over Bernie-crats maybe they're not so bad after all. We should welcome them and encourage them.

You go on and encourage them. I'll sit in the courtroom and cheer on the judge while he pronounces sentencing. If you or any Trump supporter thinks it's OK for Russians to be involved in our elections, You are all traitorous fools, no excuses.
 
You go on and encourage them. I'll sit in the courtroom and cheer on the judge while he pronounces sentencing. If you or any Trump supporter thinks it's OK for Russians to be involved in our elections, You are all traitorous fools, no excuses.

Trump supporters don't think its a good idea for Russia to be involved in USA elections.
But you guys have spent the last three plus years using Russian interference as a partisan political weapon against Mr. Trump.
So if you want to go on a "traitor" hunt, look in the mirror.
 
It is ironic.

You spent the last last three years screaming about Trump had conspired with Russia, supporting investigations ect ect ect.
Now you say Oops my bad when Sanders is supposedly the beneficiary of Russia's largesse?

With one huge difference. Bernie refuses Putin's help and warns him if he is ever president, he'll make sure Putin never meddles again.

What has Trump done to refute Russia's interference other that fire all the Intel folks that speak truth to power. Trump by not pushing back on Russia is aiding and abetting them in a crime. He needs to be put under the jail without oxygen.
 
Does anyone honestly think Russia wouldn't prefer comrade Bernie?

Putin is a Right wing Autocrat not a socialist. You would not be fond of him otherwise.
 
With one huge difference. Bernie refuses Putin's help and warns him if he is ever president, he'll make sure Putin never meddles again.

What has Trump done to refute Russia's interference other that fire all the Intel folks that speak truth to power. Trump by not pushing back on Russia is aiding and abetting them in a crime. He needs to be put under the jail without oxygen.

Trump has never accepted Russian help in the election. He received no information from Russia in 2016.
But we all know Mrs Clinton did-- you know, that famous dossier made up of anti-Trump information from anonymous Russian sources.
 
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