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Trump says Russia supporting his reelection 'another misinformation campaign'

Helix said:
My guess is that the former Republican machine will continue to roll on after the Mango regime. However, it will not recover its dignity.
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Possibily. It depends upon what happens after Trump wins reelection. The RNC could easily go the way of the Whigs which, BTW, took a few decades. We could very well be seeing the final stages of the end of the RNC only to be replaced by a truly conservative and sane party...which our nation truly needs to counter the Democrats.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Well, it should be noted that the Obama Admin suspected Mr. Trump was active conspirator in the Russian efforts and structured their investigation along these lines.
I would think that was not in the best interests of the USA. Trump is correct in questioning the leadership of IC during the Obama years.

Certainly, many people used the false narrative of collusion as a political weapon -- that is to say, they used the Russian operation to score political points against their politcal opponents.
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You just inadvertently posted Roger Stone's Trump campaign job description.
 
Erod
Russia gave over $145,000,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

Hillary gave 20% of our uranium to Russia.

And you didn't say a word.

She loses to Trump and now Bernie is taking over your party.

And now you're upset.

Lol, it ain't working, buddy.

Atomic Kid said:
Jeez louise! There doesn't appear to be any end to the number of spiders crawling around in your head.
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Well, Erod, my friend, if any of that was true, you would have point, but since it is not, a mental eval for you is needed.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I do wonder how much of a kick Moscow gets out of this, knowing that despite their much smaller economy, population, and limited strategic options they can still manage to **** with us so easily.
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And what did you expect after they got their own man elected President? Russia is Nigeria with snow but they have oil money that will buy greedy Americans. They have found Republicans to be the most greedy too.

After the Soviet Union collapsed, the new batch of Russian hardliners who replaced them would find their natural-born allies about 250 miles south in the Republican National Committee in Washington — and eventually in the current occupant of the Oval Office.

We’ve got a president of the United States who praises Russian President Vladimir Putin every chance he gets, yet spent the NATO summit last week looking like his mommy was making him eat his peas and carrots. He’s pressuring the other members of the Group of Seven to let Russia back in the club. At a recent meeting with Volodymyr Zelensky, he told the president of Ukraine he hoped Zelensky could “make a deal” with Putin, clearly indicating whose side Trump was on in the dispute over Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Trump and his Republican puppets have spent the last three months spreading Russian propaganda that it was Ukraine, not Russia, who hacked our 2016 election. When Trump pulled U.S. troops out of northern Syria, he turned over abandoned American bases to the Russians.
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Russia and the Republicans: How Vladimir Putin got an American subsidiary | Salon.com
 
jamesbyoung said:
Erod
Russia gave over $145,000,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

Hillary gave 20% of our uranium to Russia.

And you didn't say a word.

She loses to Trump and now Bernie is taking over your party.

And now you're upset.

Lol, it ain't working, buddy.



Well, Erod, my friend, if any of that was true, you would have point, but since it is not, a mental eval for you is needed.
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Trump has given Putin Venezuela without saying a word. How much do you think the worlds largest oil reserves are worth? BTW Uranium One belonged to Canada not the U.S. and it's production amounted to less than 2% of our yearly needs.
 
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iguanaman said:
Trump has given Putin Venezuela without saying a word. How much do you think the worlds largest oil reserves are worth? BTW Uranium One belonged to Canada not the U.S. and it's production amounted to less than 2% of our yearly needs.
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That is what happens when people do not bother to read the facts
as you said it was a Canadian co. not an American one
and it says it was 20% of our Uranium, well if they had bother to read the facts they would have known that it was 20% of the Uranium already licensed to be mined NOT 20% of all our uranium.
and Hillary didn't have a say in if the sale could go through or not
There were a lot of Gov. agencies that did and none of them stopped it
besides we have very strict laws that control the export of Uranium and where it can go
have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
That is what happens when people do not bother to read the facts
as you said it was a Canadian co. not an American one
and it says it was 20% of our Uranium, well if they had bother to read the facts they would have known that it was 20% of the Uranium already licensed to be mined NOT 20% of all our uranium.
and Hillary didn't have a say in if the sale could go through or not
There were a lot of Gov. agencies that did and none of them stopped it
besides we have very strict laws that control the export of Uranium and where it can go
have a nice day
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Not to mention that Uranium is a world traded commodity and we buy 90% of our yearly needs on the world market.

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Cardinal said:
The solution to that is actually pretty simple. Create one comprehensive post thoroughly answering the question, then save it. Re-use as necessary.
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Never figured out how to do that on my POS 20.00 Walmart phone...
 
Athanasius68 said:
They wish to create division and chaos.
They didn't back Trump in 2016-- the anti-Trump Steele dossier demonstrates this.
They wanted chaos.
And they have it.
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Your statement is undercut by actual facts.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump
Here'''s What We Know So Far About Russia'''s 2016 Meddling | Time

When Russia set out to interfere with the 2016 election, it went all out.
Over the course of the election, a wide-ranging group of Russians probed state voter databases for insecurities; hacked the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic National Committee; tried to hack the campaign of Sen. Marco Rubio and the Republican National Committee; released politically damaging information on the internet; spread propaganda on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Instagram; staged rallies in Florida and Pennsylvania; set up meetings with members of the Trump campaign and its associates; and floated a business proposition for a skyscraper in Moscow to the Trump Organization.
The goal, as determined by the U.S. intelligence community and backed up by evidence gathered by Special Counsel Robert Mueller: To damage the Clinton campaign, boost Trump’s chances and sow distrust in American democracy overall.
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Athanasius68 said:
The contrast is more along the lines of how the Trump Admin responded to the intelligence versus to how the Obama Admin responded:

The Trump Admin behaved professionally and responsibly and let Sanders know what was going on.

The Obama Admin sent 'surveillance" to the Trump campaign to see if anyone from the campaign was working with Russia.
They never let the Trump campaign know what Russia specifically was up to.
They then permitted the false narrative that the Trump campaign, and maybe even the president himself, was a co-conspirator with the Russian efforts to develop and take hold amongst many in this country.
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You conflate two different situations and try to erase the disparity.

There was never any hint that Sanders was stoking Russia to help his campaign. There was ample evidence that Trump campaign operatives were actively working with Russia. As such, it's foolish to tip off their campaign that the FBI is watching them. That would be like the FBI calling John Gotti and saying, 'this call is monitored for quality assurance.'
 
Trump campaign operatives were and are actively working with Russia
 
Royal PITA said:
Possibily. It depends upon what happens after Trump wins reelection. The RNC could easily go the way of the Whigs which, BTW, took a few decades. We could very well be seeing the final stages of the end of the RNC only to be replaced by a truly conservative and sane party...which our nation truly needs to counter the Democrats.
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I see the Democrats getting out maneuvered as the more likely scenario. We have a minority party controlling almost everything but the house, and that's not by accident.
 
Helix said:
I see the Democrats getting out maneuvered as the more likely scenario. We have a minority party controlling almost everything but the house, and that's not by accident.
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Democrats have been getting outmaneuvered because forty years of culture war has inculcated in the Republican Party a belief that Democrats are domestic enemies. That belief frees them to do things that people who don't believe we're at war with each other wouldn't dream of doing, such as openly cheating in elections on a massive scale.
 
GDViking said:
Yeah my sixteen year old daughter can't either, so I may be past help...
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Well, your $20 Walmart phone allows you to use a browser, right? Or are you using Crapatalk?
 
Helix said:
I see the Democrats getting out maneuvered as the more likely scenario. We have a minority party controlling almost everything but the house, and that's not by accident.
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Of course it's not by accident, but it's also not by planning. It's the "times" AKA "will of the people". Cultural changes aren't an accident, but that doesn't mean they are controllable either. The Democrats ran one of the most deplorable candidates in history because she literally bought her nomination. The Republicans didn't want Trump, but since it was an honest nomination process, Trump won because the Republican membership wanted something different and Trump, being an expert media manipulator, played on that desire. Still, Trump's election wasn't some grand plan or the will of God. It was just a combination of factors including the mood of the nation.
 
Helix said:
I see the Democrats getting out maneuvered as the more likely scenario. We have a minority party controlling almost everything but the house, and that's not by accident.
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That will be changed with NPV, anti-Gerry mandering laws, and stuffing SCOTUS.
 
Cardinal said:
Democrats have been getting outmaneuvered because forty years of culture war has inculcated in the Republican Party a belief that Democrats are domestic enemies. That belief frees them to do things that people who don't believe we're at war with each other wouldn't dream of doing, such as openly cheating in elections on a massive scale.
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their propaganda tastes better to more people, and redmap sealed the deal.
 
Royal PITA said:
Of course it's not by accident, but it's also not by planning. It's the "times" AKA "will of the people". Cultural changes aren't an accident, but that doesn't mean they are controllable either. The Democrats ran one of the most deplorable candidates in history because she literally bought her nomination. The Republicans didn't want Trump, but since it was an honest nomination process, Trump won because the Republican membership wanted something different and Trump, being an expert media manipulator, played on that desire. Still, Trump's election wasn't some grand plan or the will of God. It was just a combination of factors including the mood of the nation.
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they have wanted Tweety more than anything else at least since his nomination. they are all Tweety now.
 
Royal PITA said:
There were certainly suspicious links between the Trump campaign and Russia. I think those links were worth investigating. You obviously do not since you posted "that was not in the best interests of the USA".

I'm fine with investigating links between the IC and the Obama administration. This is where you and I differ: I think all suspicion of corruption and criminal activity should be investigated. You seem to think only the Democrats should be investigated. Since Trump has been in office over 3 years and has hand-picked 3 AGs and the Director of the FBI, why don't you think Hillary and Obama have been investigated?

Of course the partisans, regardless of political affiliation, exaggerate claims. That's why the appointment of bipartisan special investigators is important and that bipartisan panels examine the findings.
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The difference here is that we know that the Clinton campaign actually received information from Russia. The Obama Admin accepted it and used t in court against Mr. Trump.
 
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