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Russia Backs Trump's Re-election, and He Fears Democrats Will Exploit Its Support

jpn said:
Ah, apdst has special insight into American intelligence and "knows" Russian interference in our election is a "hoax."

I wonder what his reaction would be if the Russians were helping the Democrats? :soap
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Post some evidence, since you got it all figured out.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He gets things done and he keeps his word, that works for me.
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OMG.

"Gets things done"
Federal judges have ruled against the Trump administration at least 63 times over the past two years, an extraordinary record of legal defeat that has stymied large parts of the president’s agenda on the environment, immigration and other matters. ….The normal “win rate” for the government in such cases is about 70 percent, according to analysts and studies. But as of mid-January, a database maintained by the Institute for Policy Integrity at the New York University School of Law shows Trump’s win rate at about 6 percent.​

Lucky for us, he's such an idiot and he hires such idiots that they stop themselves from wrecking the country.

To change a federal rule, the executive branch must do its homework and publish an economic study arguing why the update is necessary. But Trump’s official justification for SAFE is honeycombed with errors. The most dramatic is that NHTSA’s model mixed up supply and demand: The agency calculated that as cars got more expensive, millions more people would drive them, and the number of traffic accidents would increase, my reporting shows. This error—later dubbed the “phantom vehicles” problem—accounted for the majority of incorrect costs in the SAFE study that the Trump administration released in 2018….Once this and other major mistakes are fixed, all of SAFE’s safety benefits vanish, according to a recent peer-reviewed analysis in Science.

….The errors they and other independent analysts found are staggering in their scale. At one point, the NHTSA team forgot to divide by four. Elsewhere, it used bad data, claiming that, in the future, there will be fewer of certain types of fuel-saving engines than there are on the road already. But these errors pale in comparison to NHTSA’s insertion of millions of “phantom vehicles” onto American roads.

….Last month, [Tom] Carper, the Democratic senator from Delaware, alleged that a new version of the NHTSA study admits that SAFE will impose $34 billion of costs on the American economy. (NHTSA had once promised $230 billion in net benefits.) The new study also admits that SAFE will cost consumers an extra $1,400 at the pump on average—and that SAFE will not save hundreds of lives a year, as it once claimed, Carper said.​
 
jpn said:
Your point only applies if all those nations are actively interfering in our elections.

If that was so, then why are our intelligence agencies only reporting that Russia is the culprit, and not the others? Deep state? :shock:
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I disagree that my point is only applicable to nations that are actively interfering. Leaving aside that China and Iran are in fact interfering economically if not politically (China military was behind the massive Equifax data breach), foreign policy is complicated. If opposing Iran and China is more important than opposing Russia, then I'm going to back the candidate that is toughest on China and Iran.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
...and he keeps his word, that works for me.
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President Trump came into office promising some fabulous yet unspecified health-care plan to replace the Affordable Care Act. No plan existed….

Trump said he’d bring back manufacturing. In fact, it slowed and now has slumped….

Trump said he’d get tough on drug companies. He hasn’t.

He said his tax cut would be aimed at the middle class, deliver $4,000 a year to the average American family and permanently boost business investment, pushing growth above 3 percent--"It’s going to cost me a fortune, which is actually true," the Republican presidential front-runner candidate told reporters. In office he backed the opposite--a massive tax cut for the wealthy.

He promised to not only balance the budget, but to pay off the entire national debt. Instead, he slashed taxes for the rich while increasing federal spending.

The biggest economic lie was Trump’s declaration that trade wars are quickly and easily won, American consumers and farmers wouldn’t be hurt. Instead now we're paying farmers $28 billion (more than Obama's auto bailout) to make up for the damage Trump caused.

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jpn said:
All you need to start your new topic on China is a New York Times article on how American intelligence agencies briefed Congress that China wants to see President Trump reelected, viewing his administration as more favorable to the Kremlin’s interests.

We'll wait.
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I think I've said everything I need to say, unless you have any more questions for me. Right now, you're driving China in this thread more than I am.
 
eman623 said:
I disagree that my point is only applicable to nations that are actively interfering. Leaving aside that China and Iran are in fact interfering economically if not politically (China military was behind the massive Equifax data breach), foreign policy is complicated. If opposing Iran and China is more important than opposing Russia, then I'm going to back the candidate that is toughest on China and Iran.
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That certainly is not Trump because he has got nothing done with Iran, he has got nothing done with NK which is actively as is Iran involved in improving its nuclear ambitions, he has Putin in his corner, along with Israel.

Trump is confused if not unpatriotic (I am not going as far as saying he is more than a dupe of Putin).
 
apdst said:
Post some evidence, since you got it all figured out.
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Yeah, that's really hard...

In February 2020, the American intelligence community advised members of Congress that Russia was interfering in the 2020 election in an effort to get President Donald Trump re-elected.

WASHINGTON — Intelligence officials warned House lawmakers last week that Russia was interfering in the 2020 campaign to try to get President Trump re-elected, five people familiar with the matter said, a disclosure to Congress that angered Mr. Trump, who complained that Democrats would use it against him.
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WASHINGTON – Election intelligence officials warned lawmakers that Russia was interfering in the 2020 campaign with a goal of getting President Donald Trump re-elected, according to several media reports.
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The only question is to what extent will Trump and his lick-spittle goons interfere with our attempts to stop Russian efforts? All-out, I'd say.
 
jamesbyoung said:
That certainly is not Trump because he has got nothing done with Iran, he has got nothing done with NK which is actively as is Iran involved in improving its nuclear ambitions, he has Putin in his corner, along with Israel.
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Add to that the fact that Trump reversed Obama's attempts to counter Chinese influence in the Pacific. For example, by ending the PPP Trump handed Pacific nations to China on a silver platter.
 
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jpn said:
Yeah, that's really hard...

In February 2020, the American intelligence community advised members of Congress that Russia was interfering in the 2020 election in an effort to get President Donald Trump re-elected.





The only question is to what extent will Trump and his lick-spittle goons interfere with our attempts to stop Russian efforts? All-out, I'd say.
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You're just regurgitating what's already been said.

This morning, the whole thing blew up.

CNN sources: Intel deputy overstated claim at briefing that Russia is planning to help Trump in the election
 
jamesbyoung said:
That certainly is not Trump because he has got nothing done with Iran, he has got nothing done with NK which is actively as is Iran involved in improving its nuclear ambitions, he has Putin in his corner, along with Israel.

Trump is confused if not unpatriotic (I am not going as far as saying he is more than a dupe of Putin).
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We'll just have to agree to disagree here about Trump's patriotism and dupiness to Putin. Let me just say that even with Putin's machinations, I'd still prefer Trump over Sanders or Bloomberg, etc. And it's not because I love Russia or hate America. I just think the Dem candidates would make really bad presidents - even worse than Trump which says a lot.

As for Iran, Trump caused anti-government protests in Iran and he is arguably more popular in Iran than the Iranian government, as evidence by the recent story about ordinary Iranians refusing to tread on US and Israeli flags. That's Trump's doing.

I agree that Trump got nothing done in NK. Neither did Obama or any other president going back to Eisenhower.

And Trump is the only politician pushing us on getting tough with China's aspirations and semi-cold war against us. If Xi were to make a public endorsement, he'd undoubtedly go with Bloomberg, would repeal the tariffs so fast it would make your head spin.
 
apdst said:
You're just regurgitating what's already been said.

This morning, the whole thing blew up.

CNN sources: Intel deputy overstated claim at briefing that Russia is planning to help Trump in the election
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This whole article is a load of hot air. It doesn't dispute anything in the NYT article. Tapper even tweeted as such.

"With respect, I don't see anything in my reporting that contradicts the NYT scoop. They also mentioned intel community concerns about the committee presentation. The real issue USG should be focused on here is what does th eintel say about what the Russians are doing and why?"

The NYT story is factual and true. Nothing Tapper has said contradicts their reporting. Indeed, he came out and said that his reporting is in line with the NYT article. So nothing blew up at all.

Here's the part of the NYT story that you should be caring about but don't:

"Though intelligence officials have previously told lawmakers that Russia’s interference campaign was continuing, last week’s briefing included what appeared to be new information: that Russia intended to interfere with the 2020 Democratic primaries as well as the general election."
Lawmakers Are Warned That Russia Is Meddling to Re-elect Trump - The New York Times

There was nothing wrong with the briefing. There was nothing wrong with the concerns being delivered. Trump should be more concerned, as President of the United States, about Russian election meddling, but he isn't. He's more concerned about the Democrats. He's more concerned about having a loyal head of the IC than an experienced and competent person in that position. That's all just simple facts.
 
eman623 said:
As for Iran, Trump caused anti-government protests in Iran and he is arguably more popular in Iran than the Iranian government, as evidence by the recent story about ordinary Iranians refusing to tread on US and Israeli flags. That's Trump's doing.
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Trump massively increased Iran's regional power and influence and allowed them to position themselves to be free to enrich uranium unrestricted.

And Trump is the only politician pushing us on getting tough with China's aspirations and semi-cold war against us. If Xi were to make a public endorsement, he'd undoubtedly go with Bloomberg, would repeal the tariffs so fast it would make your head spin.
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The tariffs are bad for both sides. Nobody wins with tariffs.
 
In all of the years that I have been voting, the Democrats have been the dove party, and the Republicans have been the hawk party. Trump even made it part of his platform to "rebuild" the military after eight years of Obama. Now get serious, it makes NO sense that the Russians would want Trump in office when they could have Bernie Sanders in there. Where do you think the Democrats are going to find the money for their free college and free healthcare promises? By gutting the defense budget. Why wouldn't the Chinese and Russians love for Bernie to get in? Be logical.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
This whole article is a load of hot air. It doesn't dispute anything in the NYT article. Tapper even tweeted as such.

"With respect, I don't see anything in my reporting that contradicts the NYT scoop. They also mentioned intel community concerns about the committee presentation. The real issue USG should be focused on here is what does th eintel say about what the Russians are doing and why?"

The NYT story is factual and true. Nothing Tapper has said contradicts their reporting. Indeed, he came out and said that his reporting is in line with the NYT article. So nothing blew up at all.

Here's the part of the NYT story that you should be caring about but don't:

"Though intelligence officials have previously told lawmakers that Russia’s interference campaign was continuing, last week’s briefing included what appeared to be new information: that Russia intended to interfere with the 2020 Democratic primaries as well as the general election."
Lawmakers Are Warned That Russia Is Meddling to Re-elect Trump - The New York Times

There was nothing wrong with the briefing. There was nothing wrong with the concerns being delivered. Trump should be more concerned, as President of the United States, about Russian election meddling, but he isn't. He's more concerned about the Democrats. He's more concerned about having a loyal head of the IC than an experienced and competent person in that position. That's all just simple facts.
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Did you catch the part where Republicans and Democrats are questioning the report?
 
gino said:
In all of the years that I have been voting, the Democrats have been the dove party, and the Republicans have been the hawk party. Trump even made it part of his platform to "rebuild" the military after eight years of Obama. Now get serious, it makes NO sense that the Russians would want Trump in office when they could have Bernie Sanders in there. Where do you think the Democrats are going to find the money for their free college and free healthcare promises? By gutting the defense budget. Why wouldn't the Chinese and Russians love for Bernie to get in? Be logical.
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Nothing about this post is correct.
 
OscarLevant said:
I'm filing this in the 'friend of my enemy is my enemy' file.

In other words, Trump really has to go.
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Let's see...had impeachment outcome; bad primary in Iowa; bad debate; Bernie's cleaning up. Yup. It's time for Russia, Russia, Russia again.
 
apdst said:
Did you catch the part where Republicans and Democrats are questioning the report?
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Trump does not want Russia's help for him revealed to the American public. That is without question.
 
No, eman623, we will not agree to disagree.

Trump is a Putin dupe, and his patriotism is in question.

Any of the Dem candidates this time around would be better than Trump.

Trump upset Iran, nothing more, and now the Iranians are doubling down on their nuclear programs with their citizens’s unqualified support: all Trump’s doing.

“Whataboutism” concerning North Korea is flat out wrong. That idiot Trump allowed Kim one on one meetings with Trump, instead of keeping NK in the six-power negotiations. This was a terrible Tump mistake.

Trump has not forestalled China economically on anything.
 
apdst said:
Did you catch the part where Republicans and Democrats are questioning the report?
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Your right wing garbage blog article is solely about Tapper's Twitter thread. Tapper himself said that that Twitter thread in no way goes against the NYT reporting. The facts are that this is obvious as well. So you've brought zero information to the table by linking that trash article.

And if the Dems are questioning the report, then that blows up your stupid narrative about this being some kind of Dem plot to make Trump look bad. Trump could easily diffuse the situation by working with congress to pass election security bills, stay apprised of the Russian threat to American elections, and openly make moves that thwart such attempts. But instead he is firing the head and replacing him with someone that is incompetent, not knowledgeable and simply loyal. It's all out in the open. His fee fees were hurt. That's what this is about.
 
OscarLevant said:
I'm filing this in the 'friend of my enemy is my enemy' file.

In other words, Trump really has to go.
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How do we know what was in the briefing? It was a House briefing, right? Who leaked it? Might give us a sense for level of spin.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Trump massively increased Iran's regional power and influence and allowed them to position themselves to be free to enrich uranium unrestricted.

The tariffs are bad for both sides. Nobody wins with tariffs.
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Trump decreased Iran's power by reimposing sanctions against them.

Yes, tariffs, like sanctions are bad for both sides. Although they hurt China a lot worse than us. And no one on the left minds Russian sanctions which are a defacto tax on US consumers too.
 
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