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What is the boogaloo? How online calls for a violent uprising are hitting the mainstream

apdst said:
Voting doesn't exist seperate from any forn of government. It's impossible. :lamo
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There's always a vote. When the representatives of the colonies signed the Declaration of Independence, that was a vote. When the First Continental Congress convened and decided policy with respect to Britain, that was a vote. When the Second Continental Congress convened and raised an army, that was a vote. When American colonists joined the Continental Army, that was a vote. When the Framers convened the Constitutional Convention and created the U.S. Constitution, that was a vote. When the Constitution was ratified by the states, that was a vote.
 
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apdst said:
This...


...is what the 15th Amendment referrs to. It doesn't make voting a fundamental right. Can you come to the states and vote? Of course you can't.
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Lmao, I vote through FPCAs. If you had a passport, you'd have heard of them. Then again, you weren't even asked to go fight overseas, so who knows, maybe they thought you just didn't need one and were better off staying on the mainland. Ah, life.

Anywho, 15 year olds can't walk into Walmart and buy guns though the right to bear arms exists. No right is absolute. Pretending the right to vote doesn't exist is sad and embarrassing.




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W_Heisenberg said:
There's always a vote. When the representatives of the colonies signed the Declaration of Independence, that was a vote. When the First Continental Congress convened and decided policy with respect to Britain, that was a vote. When the Second Continental Congress convened and raised an army, that was a vote. When American colonists joined the Continental Army, that was a vote. When the Framers convened the Constitutional Convention and created the U.S. Constitution, that was a vote. When the Constitution was ratified by the states, that was a vote.
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Apdst triples down on stupid statements whenever he thinks the libbos might win. That's how the forum got the following out of him:

- don't like your internet provider? Fix it by getting wifi
- vanilla shakes from Sonics make you a drunk driver
- voting is not a civil right
- people only criticize a drunk driver who killed 5 people cause he's white and rich

Lol, the guy puts out jewels.

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jamesbyoung said:
Thank you for showing that rights can be regulated. I congratulate you. The 2dA can be regulated. See?

My friend look up rights, liberties, and freedoms, study the definitions and examples, and tell us what you learn.
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I am of the belief that voting is a right as well as a privilege.

Seeing as you believe that rights can be regulated, what is your stance on voter registration laws?
 
Relsdm said:
I am of the belief that voting is a right as well as a privilege. Seeing as you believe that rights can be regulated, what is your stance on voter registration laws?
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I support laws that enhance voting opportunities for all lawfully registered voters.

I have no problem with a government-issued voting ID that is cost-free and easily obtainable at the government's cost.

I think voters should pay a fine if they don't vote.

I believe that the national election day in November should be a national holiday day.
 
jamesbyoung said:
I support laws that enhance voting opportunities for all lawfully registered voters.

I have no problem with a government-issued voting ID that is cost-free and easily obtainable at the government's cost.

I think voters should pay a fine if they don't vote.

I believe that the national election day in November should be a national holiday day.
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I agree totally that election day should be a national holiday.

I do have an issue with charging a fine if someone does not vote. Freedom should not be forced or fined.

I am perfectly fine with a government issued voter id card that is free. This card could only be used for voting. If they have need of a photo id for other purposes, they should have to pay for that.
 
Relsdm said:
I agree totally that election day should be a national holiday.

I do have an issue with charging a fine if someone does not vote. Freedom should not be forced or fined.

I am perfectly fine with a government issued voter id card that is free. This card could only be used for voting. If they have need of a photo id for other purposes, they should have to pay for that.
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A valid voter national ID free of charge to all Americans is useless if it doesn't mean complete representation in all rights. How can a valid driver's license be enough to prove you are able to own guns, but a voting card, the representation of your right to vote, not?

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apdst said:
Voting doesn't exist seperate from any forn of government. It's impossible. :lamo
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He’s right. You’re an authoritarian pretending.
 
apdst
Voting doesn't exist seperate from any forn of government. It's impossible.

TomFitz said:
He’s right. You’re an authoritarian pretending.
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Oh, indeed, apdst is authoritarian
 
jamesbyoung said:
apdst
Voting doesn't exist seperate from any forn of government. It's impossible.



Oh, indeed, apdst is authoritarian
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Get back to us when you can create an actual argument that doesn't involve personal attacks.
 
Hatuey said:
A valid voter national ID free of charge to all Americans is useless if it doesn't mean complete representation in all rights. How can a valid driver's license be enough to prove you are able to own guns, but a voting card, the representation of your right to vote, not?

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You totally miss the point.
If someone has a valid government issue photo id, driver's license for example, that is sufficient for voter id.

I have a car. I have to purchase a driver's license. That license is used as identification in situations other than driving.

The argument against requiring a photo id to vote is disenfranchisement. If the the only reason someone is needing a photo id is so they can vote, then I am fine with that being provided free of charge. However, it is my belief that there are very few individuals that don't already possess a photo id due to other needs.
 
Relsdm said:
You totally miss the point.
If someone has a valid government issue photo id, driver's license for example, that is sufficient for voter id.

I have a car. I have to purchase a driver's license. That license is used as identification in situations other than driving.

The argument against requiring a photo id to vote is disenfranchisement. If the the only reason someone is needing a photo id is so they can vote, then I am fine with that being provided free of charge. However, it is my belief that there are very few individuals that don't already possess a photo id due to other needs.
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A voting ID that is useless elsewhere is meaningless. If it's issued by the government, it's a valid ID whether you pay for it or not. Why shouldn't it be valid to anyone except once every 2 years at best? If the government is in the business of issuing documents that will identify you to it, no organization offering goods or services on the entirety of the land should claim it isn't valid cause you didn't pay for it or because you can also use it for something else.

Driving licenses weren't created so you could buy guns. They were created so we could assess who had passed the minimum required to operate a vehicle. If a driving license can be used for you to exercise other rights and privileges, a voting ID issued by the same government should be no different.

Come on, this isn't complicated.





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Hatuey said:
A voting ID that is useless elsewhere is meaningless. If it's issued by the government, it's a valid ID whether you pay for it or not. Why shouldn't it be valid to anyone except once every 2 years at best? If the government is in the business of issuing documents that will identify you to it, no organization offering goods or services on the entirety of the land should claim it isn't valid cause you didn't pay for it or because you can also use it for something else.

Driving licenses weren't created so you could buy guns. They were created so we could assess who had passed the minimum required to operate a vehicle. If a driving license can be used for you to exercise other rights and privileges, a voting ID issued by the same government should be no different.

Come on, this isn't complicated.





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Your exactly right, it is not complicated.

There would be very FEW voter ids ever issued because most people already have an id of some kind.
The argument has been that voter id causes disenfranchisement because of cost. I say remove the cost for voter id.

None of that changes any other requirements that already exist for photo id. Passports aren't free, drivers license aren't free.

I do not disagree that a photo id is a photo id. However, there are many different things I have to pay a fee for if I want to use that service.
Providing a voter photo id for free removes the whole argument of disenfranchisement and also helps verify the person voting is legally entitled too.
 
Hatuey said:
A voting ID that is useless elsewhere is meaningless. If it's issued by the government, it's a valid ID whether you pay for it or not. Why shouldn't it be valid to anyone except once every 2 years at best? If the government is in the business of issuing documents that will identify you to it, no organization offering goods or services on the entirety of the land should claim it isn't valid cause you didn't pay for it or because you can also use it for something else.

Driving licenses weren't created so you could buy guns. They were created so we could assess who had passed the minimum required to operate a vehicle. If a driving license can be used for you to exercise other rights and privileges, a voting ID issued by the same government should be no different.

Come on, this isn't complicated.





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I have a solution that maybe you can understand.

Combine voter id with social security card. Require a photo on ss card.
 
Trump needs to read and believe:

Woe, who say "good" to evil
and "evil to good,
who turn darkness to light
and light into darkness,
turn bitter into sweet
and sweet into bitter.
Woe, wise in theirn own eyes
and in their own opinion discerning
Woe, mighty to drink wine
and men of valor to mix strong drink,
who declare the wicked innocent because of bribes
and righteous men's just cause deny.
Isaiah 5:20-23 (Robert Alter Translation)
 
Relsdm said:
I am of the belief that voting is a right as well as a privilege.

Seeing as you believe that rights can be regulated, what is your stance on voter registration laws?
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i believe felons have been denied their right to vote because of their criminal conviction
 
Relsdm said:
You totally miss the point.
If someone has a valid government issue photo id, driver's license for example, that is sufficient for voter id.

I have a car. I have to purchase a driver's license. That license is used as identification in situations other than driving.

The argument against requiring a photo id to vote is disenfranchisement. If the the only reason someone is needing a photo id is so they can vote, then I am fine with that being provided free of charge. However, it is my belief that there are very few individuals that don't already possess a photo id due to other needs.
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then it is found acceptable to you to deny those persons the right to vote?
 
Relsdm said:
Your exactly right, it is not complicated.

There would be very FEW voter ids ever issued because most people already have an id of some kind.
The argument has been that voter id causes disenfranchisement because of cost. I say remove the cost for voter id.

None of that changes any other requirements that already exist for photo id. Passports aren't free, drivers license aren't free.

I do not disagree that a photo id is a photo id. However, there are many different things I have to pay a fee for if I want to use that service.
Providing a voter photo id for free removes the whole argument of disenfranchisement and also helps verify the person voting is legally entitled too.
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who is going to assist that elderly person born at a time and place where no birth certificates were issued to prove legal citizenship ... and at what cost?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
An anti-government movement that advocates for a violent uprising targeting liberal political opponents and law enforcement has moved from the fringes of the internet into the mainstream and surged on social media in recent months, according to a group of researchers that tracks hate groups.

The movement, which says it wants a second Civil War organized around the term "boogaloo," includes groups on mainstream internet platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Reddit, as well as fringe websites including 4chan, according to a report released Tuesday night by the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), an independent nonprofit of scientists and engineers that tracks and reports on misinformation and hate speech across social media.

While calls for organized and targeted violence in the form of a new Civil War have previously circulated among some hate groups, the emergence of the term "boogaloo" appeared to be a new and discrete movement. NCRI researchers who analyzed more than 100 million social media posts and comments found that through the use of memes — inside jokes commonly in the form of images — extremists have pushed anti-government and anti-law enforcement messages across social media platforms. They have also organized online communities with tens of thousands of members, some of whom have assembled at real-world events.

The report "represents a breakthrough case study in the capacity to identify cyber swarms and viral insurgencies in nearly real time as they are developing in plain sight," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who is director of the Miller Center for Community Protection and Resilience at Rutgers University, wrote in the report's foreword.

What is the boogaloo? How online calls for a violent uprising are hitting the mainstream

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As the likelihood that Trump won't be re-elected increases, the likelihood that these Timothy McVeigh wannabes commit acts of violence and acts of terror also increases. The damage Trump has done to our Republic will take many years to repair.
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That reminds me of the time the truckers were going to come in the thousands and shut down DC and make personal arrests of congress.

About a dozen or so showed up of all the thousands that were 'planning' to attend.
 
justabubba said:
who is going to assist that elderly person born at a time and place where no birth certificates were issued to prove legal citizenship ... and at what cost?
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Is that person already registered to vote?
If not, what difference does it make.
If they are, use the means that are currently used to verify their identity. Create a photo id card. It is not complicated.
 
justabubba said:
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then it is found acceptable to you to deny those persons the right to vote?
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Once a requirement is put in place to require a photo id, then yes it is completely acceptable to deny them the right to vote.

Can you get on a plane without a photo id?
Your belief is that getting on a plane is more important than voting?
 
justabubba said:
i believe felons have been denied their right to vote because of their criminal conviction
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Felons are also denied their right to live free at times. Do you disagree with that?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
An anti-government movement that advocates for a violent uprising targeting liberal political opponents and law enforcement has moved from the fringes of the internet into the mainstream and surged on social media in recent months, according to a group of researchers that tracks hate groups.

The movement, which says it wants a second Civil War organized around the term "boogaloo," includes groups on mainstream internet platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Reddit, as well as fringe websites including 4chan, according to a report released Tuesday night by the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), an independent nonprofit of scientists and engineers that tracks and reports on misinformation and hate speech across social media.

While calls for organized and targeted violence in the form of a new Civil War have previously circulated among some hate groups, the emergence of the term "boogaloo" appeared to be a new and discrete movement. NCRI researchers who analyzed more than 100 million social media posts and comments found that through the use of memes — inside jokes commonly in the form of images — extremists have pushed anti-government and anti-law enforcement messages across social media platforms. They have also organized online communities with tens of thousands of members, some of whom have assembled at real-world events.

The report "represents a breakthrough case study in the capacity to identify cyber swarms and viral insurgencies in nearly real time as they are developing in plain sight," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who is director of the Miller Center for Community Protection and Resilience at Rutgers University, wrote in the report's foreword.

What is the boogaloo? How online calls for a violent uprising are hitting the mainstream

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As the likelihood that Trump won't be re-elected increases, the likelihood that these Timothy McVeigh wannabes commit acts of violence and acts of terror also increases. The damage Trump has done to our Republic will take many years to repair.
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I read through the drivel in the fantasy piece you posted and failed to find an actual, real world occurrence of anything the article implies might happen.

Did I just miss the actual real world events that might justify this drivel or is this a completely unfounded, unsourced, imaginary masturbatory fantasy from some pajama boy dwelling pointlessly in his mommy's basement?
 
code1211 said:
I read through the drivel in the fantasy piece you posted and failed to find an actual, real world occurrence of anything the article implies might happen.

Did I just miss the actual real world events that might justify this drivel or is this a completely unfounded, unsourced, imaginary masturbatory fantasy from some pajama boy dwelling pointlessly in his mommy's basement?
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1. This has happened before:



2. Read the report:

CYBER SWARMING, MEMETIC WARFARE AND VIRAL INSURGENCY: How Domestic Militants Organize on Memes to Incite Violent Insurrection and Terror Against Government and Law Enforcement - Network Contagion Research Institute
 
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