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Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison [W:369]

Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

The question has never been "could of", that being the open-ended invitation for a miscarriage of justice, but "should of". And in the realm of "should of" Stone's specific transgressions in context didn't warrant 7 to 9 years, or even 3 1/2 years (which he got). At most it warranted 21 months and 18 months would have been more than sufficient.

Before the House intelligence committee he misidentified a human source for a specific bit of information, he denied he had certain email messages, and he got into intemperate and purile denunciations and theatrics with a friend that fully understands Stones theatrical personae as nothing more than "acting out".

He did not obstruct justice an underlying offense or felony, his actions were inconsequential and insubstantial in affecting the investigation, and his pratfalls in court gag orders didn't amount to a hill of beans in affecting the judicial process.

The jury disagreed with everything you wrote up there, but hey they were just in the courtroom hearing all the evidence while your source is the rightwing pukefunnel. And it's all a fix in your world--unless a Dem's on the block, right?
 
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This is what I am referring to. This is what she retweeted. So why don't you go play your phony morality bull**** somewhere else. Mistaken that it was no knock. It was, however a raid.

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Yeah, I see the problem, you have no problem tossing criticism without offering the simple explanation of did I mean this?
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a **** what you think you meant or how you excuse it. You so constantly post inaccurate and deliberately deceptive crap you have no credibility. It is, however, occasionally amusing to see the creative ways you try to explain you weren't wrong, when you obviously are. I usually just ignore it. I'll go back to doing that.
 
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Is there an honest one in the bunch?

There wasn't one before. Hopefully on the retrial we will get a jury fore,an who donated heavily to Trump and posted his/her hatred of the FBI and Democrats and what a crime it was to raid Stone's house.
 
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There wasn't one before. Hopefully on the retrial we will get a jury fore,an who donated heavily to Trump and posted his/her hatred of the FBI and Democrats and what a crime it was to raid Stone's house.

Ah yes, the so called conservative form of jurisprudence...let it all hang out man..
 
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Ah yes, the so called conservative form of jurisprudence...let it all hang out man..

Worked for his conviction
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a **** what you think you meant or how you excuse it. You so constantly post inaccurate and deliberately deceptive crap you have no credibility. It is, however, occasionally amusing to see the creative ways you try to explain you weren't wrong, when you obviously are. I usually just ignore it. I'll go back to doing that.

Deliberately, okay. Go back to having your head in the liberal sand.
 
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I have, but when I post about your dishonest claims in regards to the topic, you always deflect with this.

Oh, well.

Because even when you dispute something its all insulting, stilted garbage with no facts. It doesn't need refuted because its trolling bull****.
 
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Because even when you dispute something its all insulting, stilted garbage with no facts. It doesn't need refuted because its trolling bull****.

No, you made a laughable false and asinine claim, you were called out on it and you blather about trolling. You have presented exactly zero facts.

Your inability to back up your own statements isn't my problem.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a **** what you think you meant or how you excuse it. You so constantly post inaccurate and deliberately deceptive crap you have no credibility. It is, however, occasionally amusing to see the creative ways you try to explain you weren't wrong, when you obviously are. I usually just ignore it. I'll go back to doing that.

There simply is no reasoning with True Believers.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

No, you made a laughable false and asinine claim, you were called out on it and you blather about trolling. You have presented exactly zero facts.

Your inability to back up your own statements isn't my problem.

Just stop, I have presented more evidence in this thread than most posters, and certainly you do, ever. Your inability to do anything but bait incessantly and offer nothing of value to this forum are not my problem. Go ankle bite someone else, you aren't worth my time and apparently never will be.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Just stop, I have presented more evidence in this thread than most posters, and certainly you do, ever. Your inability to do anything but bait incessantly and offer nothing of value to this forum are not my problem. Go ankle bite someone else, you aren't worth my time and apparently never will be.

No, you haven't. To assert that you have is simply more denial of reality. I expect nothing less from you.

Funny how you claim what I say isn't important to you and yet here you are, compelled to respond to me, over and over again.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

You get 23 months for running dog fights.

That's without threatening the judge.

40 month sounds light for a guy whose minions defense of him has been to dox the jury.



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Stone ought to be thankful that his case was assigned to Judge Jackson. She has a reputation for relatively lenient sentencing.
 
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You must think none of us read the indictment. He didn't deny he had "certain" written messages. He had hundreds of them and denied having ANY written communications, no texts, no emails, no nothing, just phone calls. Other than hundreds, that's a true statement...

Similarly, he didn't "misidentify" a human source, he deliberately and repeatedly lied about Corsi's involvement, and demanded Credico commit perjury to hide Corsi's involvement, claim Credico was the person who initially contacted Assange, when the emails Stone denied having clearly show it was Corsi, and Stone wasn't confused about that. He did that deliberately - you write it as if it was some inadvertent error.

And whether or not Credico believed there to be threats, Stone over a period of weeks kept demanding that Credico commit perjury for Stone, or in the alternative stonewall Congress, which is what he did. So the threats had a purpose, and that purpose was to have Credico 1) commit perjury to conceal Stone's own false statements, or 2) say nothing, and again, so as not to reveal Stone himself had committed perjury. It's not harmless, even if you discount the threats.

It's fine to recount the facts and repeat the Stone defense, "So what?" but it's pretty dishonest to misrepresent what he was convicted of doing to get there.

Oh posh. In testimony in front of a Congressional committee he attempted to obscure some aspects of his legal private activities. His "horrible" crimes were amounted to a coverup of nothing: denying if he had emails or text messages referring to Julian Assante, if he had a single go-between, if he had conservation(s) with anyone in the Trump Campaign, if he told his go-between to Assante to do anything.

And yes, he did seek to persuade his friend to not undermine his story - a "threat" only being a "threat" if it's credible, which his friend thought preposterous.

So as I have stated, his "crime" of making false statements about his private and legal activities to a Congressional committee is more than sufficiently covered in a sentence of 18 months, which included the so-called witness tampering. However, the judge decided give some extra punishment because the spoke out, because he had a bad attitude, because his disrespect of the legal establishment offended her sensibilities.

So yep, for the two additional years he will/would be a political prisoner.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Oh posh. In testimony in front of a Congressional committee he attempted to obscure some aspects of his legal private activities. His "horrible" crimes were amounted to a coverup of nothing: denying if he had emails or text messages referring to Julian Assante, if he had a single go-between, if he had conservation(s) with anyone in the Trump Campaign, if he told his go-between to Assante to do anything.

And yes, he did seek to persuade his friend to not undermine his story - a "threat" only being a "threat" if it's credible, which his friend thought preposterous.

So as I have stated, his "crime" of making false statements about his private and legal activities to a Congressional committee is more than sufficiently covered in a sentence of 18 months, which included the so-called witness tampering. However, the judge decided give some extra punishment because the spoke out, because he had a bad attitude, because his disrespect of the legal establishment offended her sensibilities.

So yep, for the two additional years he will/would be a political prisoner.

What Really Happened at the Roger Stone Sentencing - Lawfare

After hearing from Stone’s lawyer and taking a break, the judge announced: “unsurprisingly, I have a lot to say.”

She began by contextualizing Stone’s obstructive conduct within the wider investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. She emphasized that Stone’s crimes were not about Russian collusion nor about political activities. Walking through the documentary evidence, she first analyzed the false statements charge—noting that, at the time the House Intelligence Committee referred Stone’s statements to the Department of Justice, the committee was led by Republican Rep. Devin Nunes (Calif.). Stone said he had no record of communications with his intermediary with Wikileaks, but there were “at least 1,500 texts or emails with Credico alone.” Jackson noted that Stone’s false statements were so blatant that they could not be chalked up to “equivocation” or “confusion.” As charged in Count Six of the indictment, Jackson noted, Stone said he never discussed his “intermediary” with WikiLeaks with anyone on the Trump campaign, but sworn testimony from former campaign officials Steve Bannon and Rick Gates told a different story. As to the witness tampering charge, the judge noted that she appreciated Credico’s letter on behalf of Stone, in which he indicated that he did not believe Stone would follow through on his threat. She repeated the concerns about Credico’s prior testimony, in which he indicated concern, and said that Credico’s thoughts on the matter now didn’t change the persistent nature of Stone’s “corrupt, unlawful campaign” to interfere with the testimony of another witness. In discussing the first charge, obstructing an official proceeding, Jackson discussed the seriousness of the investigation that Stone obstructed, quoting a joint statement from Nunes and then-ranking member Adam Schiff that described the investigation as a “national security necessity.”...

Returning to the trial, she emphasized that Stone’s sentence would have nothing to do with “who his friends are or who his enemies are." But would rest solely on the seriousness and significance of his conduct. Stone’s conduct, said the judge, was “not a joke.” It had direct bearing on Congress’s ability to investigate election interference. And, she noted, "Witnesses do not get to decide for themselves whether Congress is entitled to the facts." She added, “there was nothing unfair, phony or disgraceful about the investigation or the prosecution.”

“Truth still matters,” said the judge. “Everyone loses if Stone’s activities go unpunished.” The “dismay and disgust” at Stone’s dishonesty and obstruction should “transcend party,” she said. Truth mattered not only to her, but to Congress, the Department of Justice, the jurors who “served with integrity under difficult circumstances,” and the American people.
 
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Oh posh. In testimony in front of a Congressional committee he attempted to obscure some aspects of his legal private activities. His "horrible" crimes were amounted to a coverup of nothing: denying if he had emails or text messages referring to Julian Assante, if he had a single go-between, if he had conservation(s) with anyone in the Trump Campaign, if he told his go-between to Assante to do anything.

And yes, he did seek to persuade his friend to not undermine his story - a "threat" only being a "threat" if it's credible, which his friend thought preposterous.

So as I have stated, his "crime" of making false statements about his private and legal activities to a Congressional committee is more than sufficiently covered in a sentence of 18 months, which included the so-called witness tampering. However, the judge decided give some extra punishment because the spoke out, because he had a bad attitude, because his disrespect of the legal establishment offended her sensibilities.

So yep, for the two additional years he will/would be a political prisoner.

Sad story, bro.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Nobody read about the no knock raid... because there wasn't one. When someone posts something that is so obviously untrue, it creates a dilemma for the rest of us: are they uninformed, exaggerating, or dishonest? Do we respond, or is it a waste of time? Is that the only misstatement, or do we need to correct other things? If they are so wrong about such an obvious thing, is anything else they said credible? You see the problem?

You are correct, it was not "no knock", it was a paramilitary team "pound the door at 5:00AM" yelling "FBI, open the door". Save for a front door left intact, that raid used classic Gestapo tactics so as to terrify occupants use the cameras to poison the jury pool and public opinion.

Normally, for a white collar indictment as minor as making false statements to committee, the standard protocol would have been to notify Stones attorney and request that he bring in his client for arraignment (which, ironically, was done for a much worst crook, Manafort). Rather the Mueller FBI team decided to treat it as if it were a imminent shootout with Columbian drug gang, dispatching well before dawn 29 armed FBI agents and a SWAT team in body armor and fatigues, assault rifles, and tactical vests. Using seventeen vehicles to surround the vehicle egress points house, including armored trucks, flashing lights, and a bullhorn they begin to banging on Stone’s home, yelling, ‘FBI — open the door.’ The only people home were Stone, his deaf wife, and their dogs. And, of course, CNN is there with cameras in tow to cooperative in the public messaging of a "dangerous" man.

This was justice one more incident that underscores that he FBI and the DOJ need a house cleaning. Proto-fascist treatment, over process crimes, in law enforcement is unacceptable.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Just stop, I have presented more evidence in this thread than most posters, and certainly you do, ever. Your inability to do anything but bait incessantly and offer nothing of value to this forum are not my problem. Go ankle bite someone else, you aren't worth my time and apparently never will be.


No, you haven't. To assert that you have is simply more denial of reality. I expect nothing less from you.

Funny how you claim what I say isn't important to you and yet here you are, compelled to respond to me, over and over again.

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This is what I am referring to. This is what she retweeted. So why don't you go play your phony morality bull**** somewhere else. Mistaken that it was no knock. It was, however a raid.

Yeah, I see the problem, you have no problem tossing criticism without offering the simple explanation of did I mean this?

But the whole point of that Tweet is pretty obvious to some of us at least. Stone's arrest was peaceful, they knocked on his door, he came to the door, opened it to the FBI, he was allowed to get dressed and they took him dressed in a suit to the police station, where he called his lawyer and was released that day.

Google a few of those cases.
Alton Sterling: shot and killed in an arrest for selling CDs
Eric Gardner: choked to death during his arrest for selling cigarettes without a tax stamp
Walter Scott: shot in the back and killed after he was fleeing after a routine traffic stop

So, yeah, the fact Stone's arrest was not violent, was not a no-knock raid, and it still ignited all this discussion about use of force in arrests, because he's a rich white guy in a nice neighborhood, is THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE TWEET. It's a reference to the double standard at work.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

You are correct, it was not "no knock", it was a paramilitary team "pound the door at 5:00AM" yelling "FBI, open the door". Save for a front door left intact, that raid used classic Gestapo tactics so as to terrify occupants use the cameras to poison the jury pool and public opinion.

The point of the Tweet we're talking about is so-called "Gestapo" tactics are routine, and no one gives a damn because those on the receiving end aren't famous rich white guys who are close to the President. No one even notices, and no one cares, and there's no national discussion about them. At least the VAST majority of FBI people who talked about the arrest said some version of, "meh, about right, might have been a little over the top, but pretty normal really." Which was of course the point of the Tweet. No one cares 999 days out of 1,000, but when a rich white guy is subject to what ordinary people endure many times every day, it's all GESTAPO!!! PROTO-FASCISTs!!!

Normally, for a white collar indictment as minor as making false statements to committee, the standard protocol would have been to notify Stones attorney and request that he bring in his client for arraignment (which, ironically, was done for a much worst crook, Manafort). Rather the Mueller FBI team decided to treat it as if it were a imminent shootout with Columbian drug gang, dispatching well before dawn 29 armed FBI agents and a SWAT team in body armor and fatigues, assault rifles, and tactical vests. Using seventeen vehicles to surround the vehicle egress points house, including armored trucks, flashing lights, and a bullhorn they begin to banging on Stone’s home, yelling, ‘FBI — open the door.’ The only people home were Stone, his deaf wife, and their dogs. And, of course, CNN is there with cameras in tow to cooperative in the public messaging of a "dangerous" man.

This was justice one more incident that underscores that he FBI and the DOJ need a house cleaning. Proto-fascist treatment, over process crimes, in law enforcement is unacceptable.

It's too bad Stone runs his mouth, makes threats, predicts violent uprisings if Trump is impeached, and in general is a bombastic asshole, not to mention someone they knew had perjured himself and demanded others lie (with those threats) to cover his own ass. The problem is when it comes time to arrest someone who ACTS unhinged, the FBI just might take precautions in case he is unhinged, and if they ask him to hand himself in, someone who perjured himself and demands others do the same, and who in general treated the entire process with derision and contempt, cannot be trusted not to burn his files, and smash all his computers before doing it.

And if you looked you know very well that most of those 29 and the vehicles were there for the search of his house, not part of the arrest team.
 
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But the whole point of that Tweet is pretty obvious to some of us at least. Stone's arrest was peaceful, they knocked on his door, he came to the door, opened it to the FBI, he was allowed to get dressed and they took him dressed in a suit to the police station, where he called his lawyer and was released that day.

Google a few of those cases.
Alton Sterling: shot and killed in an arrest for selling CDs
Eric Gardner: choked to death during his arrest for selling cigarettes without a tax stamp
Walter Scott: shot in the back and killed after he was fleeing after a routine traffic stop

So, yeah, the fact Stone's arrest was not violent, was not a no-knock raid, and it still ignited all this discussion about use of force in arrests, because he's a rich white guy in a nice neighborhood, is THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE TWEET. It's a reference to the double standard at work.

Of course the fact it was dozens of officers and they had CNN there for a photo op had jack all to do with it...right? It was peaceful for two reasons, they brought overwhelming force and if Stone had been hurt, not a single person from the top to the bottom who supported that raid would still be working. Maybe three, picture the FBI shooting Stone in live TV, I wonder how badly that could possibly go for the FBI.
 
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Of course the fact it was dozens of officers and they had CNN there for a photo op had jack all to do with it...right? It was peaceful for two reasons, they brought overwhelming force and if Stone had been hurt, not a single person from the top to the bottom who supported that raid would still be working. Maybe three, picture the FBI shooting Stone in live TV, I wonder how badly that could possibly go for the FBI.

So, the only thing stopping the FBI from shooting Stone was live TV?
 
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So, the only thing stopping the FBI from shooting Stone was live TV?
Lol yeah, he was one mouthy comment away from getting his teeth kicked in by a cop who thought he had it coming.

That's exactly how this woulda gone down if CNN hadn't been there to report of a rich public figure being arrested.

You know, cause everyone knows rich white guys are exactly the type of people cops feel safe shooting when the cameras aren't rolling.

:shrug:



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Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

So, the only thing stopping the FBI from shooting Stone was live TV?

So, I did post 3 things. I even stated there were three, so why would you say only?
 
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