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Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison [W:369]

Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

vesper said:
How would I possibly have the means to answer that question. Look it was the foreperson that divulged her status on the jury when she commented publicly in outrage over a possible lower sentence recommendation from the DOJ. As soon as her identity was learned a bunch of people started searching for her on social media and what they found showed absolute bias toward anything Trump and even posting stuff about Stone prior to the trial. Her social media showed she was totally engaged in following the Mueller investigation. That isn't what she told the court when she was interviewed by the court to be a juror.
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Yes, and if you read the voir dire, she admits to be very involved in following the news on social media. So you're making crap up.

And quote her tweet about "Stone" if you want. It's not indicative of bias against Stone in this proceeding, but a social comment about excessive force.
 
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JasperL said:
Nothing lazier than inventing an absurd hypothetical, then asserting what our reaction to it would be....

Here, like this: "The sad things is Roger Stone could have killed someone on live TV and you guys would support a Trump pardon!!"
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Woaaaaah, you did what Anthony60 did and after one post? If his debating technique is master, would yours be sifu levels?

Time to go have a beer. Another Trump stooge is going to prison.


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lurchadams said:
Right now the judge is awaiting a decision on granting Stone a new trial. Stone's incarceration is going to be delayed, probably indefinitely. Just like they did with Flynn, that's how the DOJ is playing this game. I guess Manafort just wasn't close enough to trump to receive the same treatment.
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1 month maybe 2 before she makes a decision not granting a new trial??

3-5 months for the intake of Stone - legal - medical delays that delay the process, Stone is special, right?

So using lower numbers - 1 -3 =4 months - that takes us to Jun

Using max numbers, 3-5 = 8 months that takes us to November

My opinion is the judge will rule quickly, under the month, then the DOJ intake procedures, date he goes to prison of which I have not a clue about but understand the higher average for that is in the 3 month range
 
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JANFU said:
1 month maybe 2 before she makes a decision not granting a new trial??

3-5 months for the intake of Stone - legal - medical delays that delay the process, Stone is special, right?

So using lower numbers - 1 -3 =4 months - that takes us to Jun

Using max numbers, 3-5 = 8 months that takes us to November

My opinion is the judge will rule quickly, under the month, then the DOJ intake procedures, date he goes to prison of which I have not a clue about but understand the higher average for that is in the 3 month range
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shhhhhhh.... you are killing the fantasy with all this reality talk...
 
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BlueTex said:
shhhhhhh.... you are killing the fantasy with all this reality talk...
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Me I figure about 4 month or so before his is in jail

Now as to a Trump pardon??? who the F knows what runs thru that CT brain, enemies list, loyalist tests.
 
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Hatuey said:
Lmao.

Due process in a case where even Trump's biggest toe sucker is standing by the decision of the jurors and prosecutors.

It's got to be embarrassing to take in so much QAnon garbage that your perception of reality matches that of the only person you agree with. Again, if you've got anything on Stone and Hart, you're welcome to bring it up.

Just like vesper, you won't do it.


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You are absolutely clueless. I offered multiple links in the previous thread.

**** that QAnon bull****. If you want impugn my opinion do it without an unfounded, scummy smear job.

Go troll somewhere else, your bull**** was old years ago.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
You are absolutely clueless. I offered multiple links in the previous thread.
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Links in a previous thread you won't link to. Is that you final super intelligent contribution to this thread? Or are you going to keep holding that pristine porcelain shield up for Stone?

Lol no way this OC guy is serious. Is he? Did he vote for Trump? Explains a bit.






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JANFU said:
Oh Trump will pardon Stone but will it happen before or after the election?
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It'll have to happen before. Trump said earlier today that it was a very unfair process, so his base will be all warmed up for it.
 
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Hatuey said:
Links in a previous thread you won't link to. Is that you final super intelligent contribution to this thread? Or are you going to keep holding that pristine porcelain shield up for Stone?

Lol no way this OC guy is serious. Is he? Did he vote for Trump? Explains a bit.
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Baiting again Hatuey? Get a new playbook.

OpportunityCost said:
But denying you have them under oath is a problem when you are a juror.

Jury Foreman In Roger Stone Case Was Russia Collusion Hoaxer
Roger Stone asks for new trial | TheHill

Aside from all that, she retweeted an NPR story that detailed the Roger Stone indictment. She claimed to have little knowledge of what going on when she had already tweeted a link with details.
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vesper said:
who the heck is QAnon? Geesh you have some strange thoughts that make no sense. Last week the left was all in agreement with Judge Napolitano when he was siding against Trump but this week because he believes Stone is entitled to another trial due the evidence he has seen where the foreperson had a clear bias that was present in her social media prior to being called to jury duty, not so much. Is Napolitano part of qAnon too. How about Turley and Dershowitz? they part of qAnon too?
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We're not lemmings. Is that a problem? :confused:

I've addressed their ARGUMENTS. You ignored those comments.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

trixare4kids said:
Literally, executive power allows him to do this.

Obama pardoned 64 individuals and commuted the sentence of 209 individuals (109 of whom faced life sentences). These included Chelsea Manning and Oscar López Rivera, enabling them to be released from prison on May 17, 2017.

Do you remember hearing any moans and groans from the pro-Obama peanut choir during that time?
Yeah, me neither. ;)
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No one is claiming that the use of the pardon/clemency is inherently corrupt, or that Trump doesn't have the right to pardon, or offer clemency. What's your point here, because no one is contesting those issues?
 
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Anthony60 said:
You have to be a real moron to believe that she was bleachbitting and smashing Blackberries in order to erase 30,000 personal emails.


Sent from my iPhone XX Turbo using Tapacrap
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The morons are the ones that claim Hillary could not delete her personal emails any way she wanted to. Her staff testified to breaking phones with a hammer. Hillary did not.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Baiting again Hatuey? Get a new playbook.
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In a different thread where you didn't respond to me, you linked to the federalist and the hill, neither of which made any points relevant to what vesper claimed...

And you expected me to know this? I bet in a different context, you'd think that's a devastating debate tactic.

Amazing.

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Anthony60 said:
Just wondering what the limits of Trump hate are for the party of "the ends justifies the means". Not far enough, you think?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. The ends don't justify the means for me. Stone was found guilty of 7 felonies by a jury of his peers. Barr's people did the prosecution and recommended jail time. That's what Stone deserved and got. Where's the abuse of the process, the means? If you believe there was abuse, write a letter to the AG, Barr.
 
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JasperL said:
No one is claiming that the use of the pardon/clemency is inherently corrupt, or that Trump doesn't have the right to pardon, or offer clemency. What's your point here, because no one is contesting those issues?
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I wasn't talking to you.
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

Hatuey said:
In a different thread where you didn't respond to me, you linked to the federalist and the hill, neither of which made any points relevant to what vesper claimed...

And you expected me to know this? I bet in a different context, you'd think that's a devastating debate tactic.

Amazing.

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LOL smoke and bull****. It did demonstrate bias and plenty of knowledge about Stone, which she denied. Quit this lightweight nonsense if you are going to throw shade like you have been.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
LOL smoke and bull****. It did demonstrate bias
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Bahahahahaha.

It's back to reality for you:

Roger Stone: Juror Seth Cousins says forewoman Tomeka Hart was fair

"I believe I speak for my fellow jurors when I say we are proud of our decision. We listened carefully to the testimony of a series of witnesses and carefully examined every element of every charge and its defense, and we unanimously agreed that each had been proved beyond a reasonable doubt," Cousins wrote.*
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So far I have:

- the DOJ saying it was fair
- the prosecutors saying it was fair
- the jurors coming up with an unanimous decision and standing by Tameka Hart
- the judge saying it is fair

You have:

- the federalist
- twitter stalking from QAnon cucks
- the hill
- vesper

Lol, I wish I could divorce reality like you have just so I could feel superior about who I voted for.

How embarrassing.



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I hope Trump pardons him, because that judge was a liberal activist. Get politics out of our judicial system.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Baiting again Hatuey? Get a new playbook.
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She didn't deny having political opinions, and she didn't claim to have no knowledge of Stone's arrest or indictment. She also claimed to follow politics closely on social media, which during any time period post election meant the Mueller investigation, Russia, etc. None of her social media comments about Stone, and none show a bias against him, or that she had determined him guilty prior to trial, or any other indication of bias against him with regard to these charges.
 
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He'll take his pardon and confirm his guilt the same way Nixon did when Pres. Ford pardoned him using Burdick v. United States. How ironic.

The Pardon
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History

| Smithsonian Magazine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/08/26/is-accepting-a-pardon-an-admission-of-guilt/

BURDICK v. US | FindLaw
 
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Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

iguanaman said:
The morons are the ones that claim Hillary could not delete her personal emails any way she wanted to. Her staff testified to breaking phones with a hammer. Hillary did not.
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So, you are saying that the 30k emails were all personal?
 
Re: Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

OpportunityCost said:
210..
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Right, that was a link to a story. I don't know what part of it you find compelling, because I cannot read your mind. As best I can tell the "bias" was she tweeted a story about Roger Stone's indictment, which seems sort of non-shocking for someone sitting on a jury judging those indictments. What did she say that indicated bias? Can you quote the Tweet?

And you like everyone else assumes as a given that bias against TRUMP disqualifies someone from serving on a jury where ROGER STONE is the defendant, not Trump. They are different people. Can you cite some legal theory or precedent such that bias against Person X must be by law attributed to Person Y, the defendant? Turley and others have failed to do this simple task.
 
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What will Trump do?

Stone is a gadfly, who so far as I know never once was indispensable, and he made a lot of his own problems in spite of the fact that The Swamp/Uniparty/Failed Intelligentsia/Deep State was out to get him....

I dont have good visibility here.
 
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