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Judge refuses to delay sentencing of Trump ally Roger Stone

Mycroft said:
The defense did challenge this juror. The judge would not remove her.

Now it's coming back to bite that judge in the ass...and she's trying desperately to cover it.
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No, it isn’t.
 
Mycroft said:
The defense did challenge this juror. The judge would not remove her.

Now it's coming back to bite that judge in the ass...and she's trying desperately to cover it.
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How so? Has the verdict been overturned?

Of the thousands of federal trials each year, why the focus on this one jury?


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No federal judge wants a mistrial, or anything that smacks of it, on his or her record. She'll pass sentence as she deems fit, Trump will pardon Stone, and that will be that. Berman will hope the democrats retake the WH and she'll advance her career, and Stone will retreat into obscurity. Trump will continue to undo the results of Mueller, and the left will continue to exhibit unhealthy blood pressure levels.

Surprise! Not.
 
BlueTex said:
How so? Has the verdict been overturned?

Of the thousands of federal trials each year, why the focus on this one jury?


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You know the drill.

They don’t care, really. Half of them aren’t even sure who Andy McCabe is anymore. He’s just another name for the right wing talk radio screamers to snarl into their microphones.

All they’re doing is cheering for Trump to get his way. It’s a big game show to Trumpsters.
 
Atomic Kid said:
No there isn't any requirement for the judge to accept sentencing recommendations. Be it the first or the second recommendation. :roll:

But there is a need to be concerned about a President trying to put his thumb so heavily upon the scales of justice on pending judicial cases. Which often involves using the biggest 'bully puppet in the world to intimate prosecutors, judges, jurors and witnesses. And just by coincidence, I presume,pending cases that 'just' happen to involve matters of personal interest to him. Such as those that involve his perceived political enemies or his friends and cronies. Don't ever underestimate his willingness to use the power of his office to do those things.
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Stone has been charged, tried and convicted. There is no pending case. Legally, the issue is now out of the hands of the DOJ. One would suspect that if the object of Trump & Co. were to tilt the thumbs of justice, it would have been done prior to all this.

Meanwhile, we still have the crickets by the 'concerned' about the abuses by the previous administration when it chose to actually investigate its political opponents.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
Stone has been charged, tried and convicted. There is no pending case. Legally, the issue is now out of the hands of the DOJ. One would suspect that if the object of Trump & Co. were to tilt the thumbs of justice, it would have been done prior to all this.

Meanwhile, we still have the crickets by the 'concerned' about the abuses by the previous administration when it chose to actually investigate its political opponents.
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The sentencing phase of process has not been completed and once sentence is passed there will likely be an appeal. So no, it's not out their hands yet.
 
Mycroft said:
The defense did challenge this juror. The judge would not remove her.

Now it's coming back to bite that judge in the ass...and she's trying desperately to cover it.
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Not true at all. Stone's attorneys never challenged her her fitness as a juror despite knowing her identity and background.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Not true at all. Stone's attorneys never challenged her her fitness as a juror despite knowing her identity and background.
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Not surprised that that claim turned out to be another made up Trumpster fib!
 
Athanasius68 said:
Stone has been charged, tried and convicted. There is no pending case. Legally, the issue is now out of the hands of the DOJ. One would suspect that if the object of Trump & Co. were to tilt the thumbs of justice, it would have been done prior to all this.

Meanwhile, we still have the crickets by the 'concerned' about the abuses by the previous administration when it chose to actually investigate its political opponents.
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Where to begin. So many false and misleading statements!

Trump had something else to worry about while the trial was on.

Indeed, impeachment helped him to the extent that the media was looking at Congress when we learned in the Stone trial that Stone was the ringmaster and the chief cut out between the Russians disinformation campaign and the Trump campaign.

Of course, Stone was not officially affiliated with the campaign, so they could accurately claim that no one from the campaign itself was involved with Russian collusion./

Trump just had his mentor do it.

In any case, Trump’s attempts to interfere in the case after the fact are all right out in the open, there for everyone to see.
 
jmotivator said:
... the President appoints the Attorney General. :roll:

"I am the President's wing man" - Eric Holder :shock:
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Oh look, you found a sentence fragment to obediently dismiss the blatant (and non-stop) corruption of Trump and Barr. And as is always the case, the conservative imagination can fill in the blanks to make said sentence fragment proof of whatever a conservative needs it to be. Does your sentence fragment lead to 1100 former DOJ officials asking Holder to resign? I don't think so

1,100 Former Justice Dept. Prosecutors and Officials Press for Barr to Step Down
 
Vern said:
Oh look, you found a sentence fragment to obediently dismiss the blatant (and non-stop) corruption of Trump and Barr. And as is always the case, the conservative imagination can fill in the blanks to make said sentence fragment proof of whatever a conservative needs it to be. Does your sentence fragment lead to 1100 former DOJ officials asking Holder to resign? I don't think so

1,100 Former Justice Dept. Prosecutors and Officials Press for Barr to Step Down
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I don't give a **** how many former DOJ members have a political ax to grind with the current DOJ leadership. This is just another swing of the limp coup mallet. *yawn*

Barr is entirely within his authority to step in when he believes a prosecution team is getting over zealous with sentencing recommendations. Reigning in over-sentencing is kind of a theme with the current administration, if you hadn't noticed. :roll:

The judge is still fully capable of handing out a sentence in excess of the DOJ recommendation. You folks need to stop with the constant nutty outrage. You'll get a hernia.
 
jmotivator said:
I don't give a **** how many former DOJ members have a political ax to grind with the current DOJ leadership. This is just another swing of the limp coup mallet. *yawn*

Barr is entirely within his authority to step in when he believes a prosecution team is getting over zealous with sentencing guidelines. Reigning in over-sentencing is kind of a theme with the current administration, if you hadn't noticed. :roll:

The judge is still fully capable of handing out a sentence in excess of the DOJ recommendation. You folks need to stop with the constant nutty outrage. You'll get a hernia.
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Well besides the fact that you posted your sentence fragment as a "both sides" rebuttal to documented corruption from Barr you now seem to believe the AG has magic powers. Hey I know, maybe you should show the 1100 former DOJ prosecutors and officials your sentence fragment. Maybe that'll convince them that Holder was just as bad as Barr as you originally posted then you could start a thread with the news report

1100 Former Federal Prosecutors and Justice Department Officials now concede Holder just as corrupt as Holder
 
jmotivator said:
I don't give a **** how many former DOJ members have a political ax to grind with the current DOJ leadership. This is just another swing of the limp coup mallet. *yawn*

Barr is entirely within his authority to step in when he believes a prosecution team is getting over zealous with sentencing recommendations. Reigning in over-sentencing is kind of a theme with the current administration, if you hadn't noticed. :roll:

The judge is still fully capable of handing out a sentence in excess of the DOJ recommendation. You folks need to stop with the constant nutty outrage. You'll get a hernia.
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Yes he is. That he did it in this case and given that Stone and the President are long time friends should make anyone who can rub 2 neurons together and is the least bit curious have to wonder why.

The recommendation was over the top - as ate many Federal sentences but the AG has not stepped in on any of those.

On the other hand Barr did approve a DOJ motion to opposing Stone’s request for a new trial.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Yeah but the prime consideration for changes of venue is almost always due to pretrial publicity. Not the nature of the local politics. If they had sent the case to Alexandria, which I believe is popularly referred to within the judicial community as the "rocket docket", we would've had a decision already well before this Thursday. Which I'm sure would've caused Trump supporters to then claim that it was a 'rush to judgement.'. As far as Trump supporters are concerned you're dammed if you do or dammed if you don't. Whatever the facts it doesn't really matter to them.
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I don't disagree with anything you say.... they do run a pretty tight ship over there in Eastern Virginia. They definitely don't put up with nonsense on the part of anyone. Perhaps if DC followed their example, we'd have a definitive resolution of the McGahn case by now? I only brought up local politics because you can be sure it was a consideration of Stone's attorneys, if not the Judge. It was going to be pretty hard for them to find a Paula Duncan in DC in the same way Manafort's defense team found her in Alexandria. Even so, though, it still didn't help Manafort all that much, did it?
 
Mycroft said:
It's not about recommended sentences...it's about her allowing a tainted juror and the defense request for a new trial.
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That will be up to an appellate court.
 
Mycroft said:
Sure. It's easy. Except this judge is avoiding doing that. Hell, this judge ruled from the git go that a biased juror isn't a big problem.

Like I said...she's covering her ass.
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She's not avoiding anything... except buying into Barr's keystone cops routine. Jurors are allowed to have political leanings one way or the other.... what they aren't allowed to do is lie about them in voir dire. You know the question came up, and you know how she answered it. She wasn't going to put her bar membership on the line just to get jury duty. Let's get real here.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

"independence" from the law and fair justice isn't something she should be "reasserting".
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So you think the judiciary should just do as the executive branch tells them? There is no need for appellate courts, including the USSC, right? Right there, half of Trump's problems go away. Now, what to do about that pesky House of Representatives ...
 
apdst said:
Trump can just pardon Stone. **** it. Smack that ol' judge right in his puss with an untouchable presidential pardon. Teach that ****ing judge to play games.
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You know, Trump could potentially empty out the federal prisons, literally pardon every last criminal. And if he did, you would cheer him on.
 
Vern said:
Well besides the fact that you posted your sentence fragment as a "both sides" rebuttal to documented corruption from Barr you now seem to believe the AG has magic powers. Hey I know, maybe you should show the 1100 former DOJ prosecutors and officials your sentence fragment. Maybe that'll convince them that Holder was just as bad as Barr as you originally posted then you could start a thread with the news report

1100 Former Federal Prosecutors and Justice Department Officials now concede Holder just as corrupt as Holder
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LOL!! No, it isn't a "both sides", it is a civics lesson. The AG is literally the head of the DOJ. he is literally the boss of the DOJ prosecutors, and they literally are tasked with carrying out the policy of the AG, who answers to the President. That isn't "magical powers" that is just how the government works. :roll:
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Now, what to do about that pesky House of Representatives ...
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Already taken of, they got Moscow Mitch and the crooked GOP majority to take care of anything the house can pass against Trump.
 
Mycroft said:
The defense did challenge this juror. The judge would not remove her.

Now it's coming back to bite that judge in the ass...and she's trying desperately to cover it.
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And the remedy lies with the executive, not the judiciary. No need to bother the appellate courts or SCOTUS. They'd just muddy the waters anyway. Trump is just going to streamline the process.
 
Mycroft said:
She's protecting herself.

AKA - covering her ass.
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Stone should just change his name to “Hillary McCabe”!

Stealers Wheel said:
And the remedy lies with the executive, not the judiciary. No need to bother the appellate courts or SCOTUS. They'd just muddy the waters anyway. Trump is just going to streamline the process.
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Good point. They can be out on appeal and death of old age will beat the wheels of justice.
 
Mycroft said:
She's protecting herself.

AKA - covering her ass.
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Naaaah. She's just saluting his highness

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