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Trump fires back after Obama claims credit for economic boom: 'Con job'

American said:
With all the money pumped into the economy, it was meager. In spite of the fact that Obama kept the Bush tax cuts, something I'm sure most liberals want to forget.
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Well, that what happen's when you come out of the greatest recession since the Great depression

It was the same coming out of the Depression

*sigh*
 
AlphaOmega said:
Ohh...looks like we still have some lingering russia spygate conspiracy theorists hovering around like thai food farts.
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what? oh AO, you cant be the only person on the planet who is unaware that your cult leader called America murders to defend his master Putin? I guess you are.

Donald Trump has once again defended Vladimir Putin against accusations that he is a killer, telling Fox News: “We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent?”

Donald Trump repeats respect for 'killer' Putin in Fox Super Bowl interview | US news | The Guardian

Once again? Yikes! how did you miss that? oh yea, your in a cult.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Read this slowly, I don't give a **** what you have to say.
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Oh OC, you hurt my feelings. anyhoo, just an fyi, I’ve always known you don’t care about facts. You couldn’t be a conservative if you did. But I cant help but suspect your “whine about vern” deflection is just because you have no response to the facts I’ve posted. And you are so desperate to avoid any discussion about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits, you didn’t even reply to the post that upset your tummy. This is the reply you want obediently flail at

Vern said:
Oh look, another post from OC where he tries to pretend that conservatives aren't flaming hypocrites concerning deficits and all republicans aren't flaming lying hypocrites. don't confuse " not foaming at the mouth " like conservatives concerning the deficits President Obama inherited as "not caring". Democrats didn't have an irrational fear of deficits and understood that was the best way to reduce the deficit was to grow the economy. Trump was handed a growing economy with UE at a 25 year low and is now ballooning the deficit. You cared then (if not foamed at the mouth) and now you sit obediently quiet.
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And OC, I cant help but suspect that discussions about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits upset you so much because your conservative masters haven’t really given you a narrative to try to spin it away.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes during and right after the Great Recession. Compare Obama's deficits in his second term to Trump's first term since the bookend each other and have similar levels of GDP growth.
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Didn't read what was written did you? he said it was unprecedented. no it wasn't
obama ran 3 years of over 1 trillion dollar deficits.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The dot com bust was 2 million out of 22 million jobs created. Most of the boom was the result of huge increases in productivity due to digitizing inventory systems, better company financial systems and so on - all resulting from the tech boom of the late 80s and 90s.

Which is my point, presidents have very little if anything to do with the economy - good or bad.
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The .com bust drove the economy into a recession in 2000-2002 and then 9/11 drove it even further.
the economy didn't recover until 2004.

sprinkle some accounting scandals in there and you have a huge mess on your hands.

Most of that tech boom was put into place by reagan as well.

Clintons policies did which is why he had to roll back his tax cuts as the economy was starting to slow down.
 
Vern said:
Oh OC, you hurt my feelings. anyhoo, just an fyi, I’ve always known you don’t care about facts. You couldn’t be a conservative if you did. But I cant help but suspect your “whine about vern” deflection is just because you have no response to the facts I’ve posted. And you are so desperate to avoid any discussion about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits, you didn’t even reply to the post that upset your tummy. This is the reply you want obediently flail at



And OC, I cant help but suspect that discussions about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits upset you so much because your conservative masters haven’t really given you a narrative to try to spin it away.
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Aw, yes, facts to you are anything you want to believe as once again you show what a partisan liberal hack you really are. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass, just another Obama apologist for losing the House in 10-12-14-16 and then the Senate in 14-16 along with being the only President in history to win re-election with fewer votes than he got in the original win

It is indeed stunning how great the Obama economy was AFTER he left office as the American people gave him one helluva going away gift. Anyhoo, as you would say 56% of the American people support the Trump economy so I guess you aren't in that group. Continue promoting failure, class envy, jealousy, and the politics of personal destruction providing the forum with the absolute reason that Democrats aren't going to win national elections. Results matter, Very, not your perception and you can post no results to support your claims of Obama successes. Here is the glooming disaster known as Obamanomics, under employed setting records. Yes, that booming Obama economy created part time jobs that skewed the U-3, Never got back to pre-recession levels and cost the taxpayers 9.3 trillion more in debt, true liberal success story

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13327709
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (seas) Total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of all civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers
Labor force status: Aggregated totals unemployed
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over
Percent/rates: Unemployed and mrg attached and pt for econ reas as percent of labor force plus marg attached
Years: 2008 to 2019

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 9.2 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.8 11.0 11.8 12.6 13.6
2009 14.2 15.2 15.8 15.9 16.5 16.5 16.4 16.7 16.7 17.1 17.1 17.1
2010 16.7 17.0 17.1 17.1 16.6 16.4 16.4 16.5 16.8 16.6 16.9 16.6
2011 16.2 16.0 15.9 16.1 15.8 16.1 15.9 16.1 16.4 15.8 15.5 15.2
2012 15.2 15.0 14.5 14.6 14.7 14.8 14.8 14.6 14.8 14.4 14.4 14.4
2013 14.6 14.4 13.8 14.0 13.8 14.2 13.8 13.6 13.5 13.6 13.1 13.1
2014 12.7 12.6 12.6 12.3 12.2 12.0 12.1 12.0 11.7 11.5 11.4 11.2
2015 11.3 11.0 10.8 10.8 10.9 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.0 9.8 10.0 9.9
2016 9.8 9.7 9.8 9.7 9.9 9.5 9.7 9.6 9.7 9.6 9.4 9.2
2017 9.3 9.1 8.7 8.6 8.5 8.5 8.5 8.6 8.3 8.0 8.0 8.1
2018 8.2 8.2 7.9 7.8 7.7 7.8 7.5 7.4 7.5 7.5 7.6 7.6
2019 8.1 7.3 7.3 7.3 7.1 7.2 7.0 7.2 6.9 7.0 6.9 6.7
2020 6.9
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TomFitz said:
None of that is remotely true! It’s amazing, actually! Other than the fact that a lot of tech companies got swallowed or failed in the dot com crash, almost nothing you said is remotely true.

Clinton did not continue Reagan’s reckless fiscal policies.

Reagan tripled the national debt in eight years. Clinton ran budget surpluses at the end of his time.

In fact, dispite the empty rantings of the tea party mob, the last time a Repblican president ran two budget surpluses in a row, was well before anyone on this forum was born.
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In fact it all was true. The largest growth sector during the 90's was the tech boom.
The digital age and a completely new market place opened up.

ALLAN RYSKIND: How Reaganomics saved Bill Clinton's presidency - Washington Times
How Reagan reelected Clinton

The Clinton Fiscal Responsibility Myth

The Clinton Surplus Myth - Craig Steiner

not that you will read any of those because that would mean you would educate yourself on actual facts.
 
Luther said:
Well, that what happen's when you come out of the greatest recession since the Great depression

It was the same coming out of the Depression

*sigh*
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LOL, can you explain to us why the 2007-09 recession was the greatest since the Great Depression? Sounds like a great marketing phrase created by Democrats to win the WH. I lived during this recession and the Carter Double dip recession in the early 80's and can tell you the misery index for both recession tells a stark reality, more people were hurt in the early 80's recession than the past recession as it was a financial recession that impacted home owners who had adjustable rate mortgages. Seems you people latch onto a term or phase and nothing ever changes your mind.

Let me be clear here, I didn't support TARP as I don't support the bail out of any private or public sector operation by the Federal bureaucrats as all they did was recapitalized the banks and kicked the can down the road. Failure is an option in a free enterprise economy and companies always fail only to be picked up by others. Obama didn't understand the private sector, nor do you which is why you focus on buzz words and not actual data. We came out of recession in June 2009 with the worst of the recession in 2008 under Bush. Obama spending did not mostly occur until after June 2009 so giving him credit is what poorly informed people always do when they don't have the facts and when they are pure partisans.
 
Vern said:
Oh OC, you hurt my feelings. anyhoo, just an fyi, I’ve always known you don’t care about facts. You couldn’t be a conservative if you did. But I cant help but suspect your “whine about vern” deflection is just because you have no response to the facts I’ve posted. And you are so desperate to avoid any discussion about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits, you didn’t even reply to the post that upset your tummy. This is the reply you want obediently flail at



And OC, I cant help but suspect that discussions about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits upset you so much because your conservative masters haven’t really given you a narrative to try to spin it away.
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Hey, Vern, figured it out, the new liberal ideology, Just think, "the more money we can take from you the more free stuff we can give you" That certainly resonates with you and the rest of the cult following Democrats.
 
Conservative said:
Aw, yes, facts to you are anything you want to believe as once again you show what a partisan liberal hack you really are. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass, just another Obama apologist for losing the House in 10-12-14-16 and then the Senate in 14-16 along with being the only President in history to win re-election with fewer votes than he got in the original win

It is indeed stunning how great the Obama economy was AFTER he left office as the American people gave him one helluva going away gift. Anyhoo, as you would say 56% of the American people support the Trump economy so I guess you aren't in that group. Continue promoting failure, class envy, jealousy, and the politics of personal destruction providing the forum with the absolute reason that Democrats aren't going to win national elections. Results matter, Very, not your perception and you can post no results to support your claims of Obama successes. Here is the glooming disaster known as Obamanomics, under employed setting records. Yes, that booming Obama economy created part time jobs that skewed the U-3, Never got back to pre-recession levels and cost the taxpayers 9.3 trillion more in debt, true liberal success story
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Do you really not know who was president in 2008? Obama took office on January 20th 2019. :doh
 
Mithros said:
Do you really not know who was president in 2008? Obama took office on January 20th 2019. :doh
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Have you ever taken a civics class?? Democrats wanted the WH more than they wanted to serve the American people. Does it really matter who was President in 2008 as there were 146 million Americans employed, working and paying taxes. when did we get back that number and is it your contention that 6 million new jobs created in 9 years is a successful economic performance?

I could easily drive down results to make myself look better next year or the following 8 years which is what the Democrats did and they fooled a lot of good people probably like you.
 
Vern said:
Oh OC, you hurt my feelings. anyhoo, just an fyi, I’ve always known you don’t care about facts. You couldn’t be a conservative if you did. But I cant help but suspect your “whine about vern” deflection is just because you have no response to the facts I’ve posted. And you are so desperate to avoid any discussion about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits, you didn’t even reply to the post that upset your tummy. This is the reply you want obediently flail at



And OC, I cant help but suspect that discussions about the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives concerning deficits upset you so much because your conservative masters haven’t really given you a narrative to try to spin it away.
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And, Vern, neither does anyone else. Because you are incapable of posting without insults and snide remarks. So crawl back under your rock.
 
The dems only care about power period. If that wasn't the case, Pelosi never would've passed Obamacare without no republican vote and Obama wouldn't of told them "to get back in line" Their were 181 republicans who represented districts back then whose constituents didn't want it!!!!!!!!!! Their should've been a BI-PARTISAN bill!!!
 
Dems are at a point that they can no longer ignore the great economic boom after Trump took office, so now they have just shifted gears claiming that they are responsible for it.

After all, if they could say "you didn't build that" with a straight face, why wouldn't they now say with a straight face, "we invented MAGA"?

Give them a few more months and the Democrats will claim that their party freed the slaves....

oh wait, they already claim that.
 
Court Jester said:
Dems are at a point that they can no longer ignore the great economic boom after Trump took office, so now they have just shifted gears claiming that they are responsible for it.

After all, if they could say "you didn't build that" with a straight face, why wouldn't they now say with a straight face, "we invented MAGA"?

Give them a few more months and the Democrats will claim that their party freed the slaves....

oh wait, they already claim that.
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It's not a gear shift. We've been saying this since the day he took office. Don't call it a "gear shift" just because you've been listening to right wing propaganda and therefore have no idea what liberals have actually been arguing all along.

Trump hasn't done anything that has a massive impact on the economy. And it's not "the best economy ever" in any way that really counts for the working class.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Vern has had 50 or so chances not to be himself. He has failed every one of them.
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er uh OC, I think Gimmesometruth was commenting on your hypocritical whining about insults. Some might even say "flamingly hypocritical whining". He doesn't know that "please back up your post" is the post that you find the most insulting. anyhoo, you made a typically false point and I called you out. You were simply looking for any excuse to cut and run. Anyhoo, here's your typically false point and here's my rebuttal you cowardly cut and ran from.

OpportunityCost said:
If you didn't care when it was under a Democrat, you shouldn't care now, and we both know you didn't.
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Vern said:
Oh look, another post from OC where he tries to pretend that conservatives aren't flaming hypocrites concerning deficits and all republicans aren't flaming lying hypocrites. don't confuse " not foaming at the mouth " like conservatives concerning the deficits President Obama inherited as "not caring". Democrats didn't have an irrational fear of deficits and understood that was the best way to reduce the deficit was to grow the economy. Trump was handed a growing economy with UE at a 25 year low and is now ballooning the deficit. You cared then (if not foamed at the mouth) and now you sit obediently quiet.
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W_Heisenberg said:
Fixed it for you.
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ROTFLOL...

...and there we have a weak-minded Leftist who cannot rebut the post, and in his total frustration resorts to changing the post of another to frame him as a racist.

Look at what you’ve been reduced to... a frustrated lump incapable of making a coherent argument for the Almighty Obama.
 
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ludin said:
Didn't read what was written did you? he said it was unprecedented. no it wasn't
obama ran 3 years of over 1 trillion dollar deficits.
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Indeed he did

  • 2009 - $1.413 billion (GW Bush budget) (legacy budget)
  • 2010 - $1.294 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2011 - $1.300 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2012 - $1.087 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2013 - $0.679 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2014 - $0.485 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2015 - $0.438 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2016 - $0.585 billion (Obama budget)
  • 2017 - $0.665 billion (Obama budget) (legacy budget)
  • 2018 - $0.779 billion (Trump budget)
  • 2019 - $1.092 billion (Trump budget)
  • 2020 - $1.101 billion (Trump budget) (as budgeted)
  • 2021 - $1.068 billion (Trump budget) (projected)
    (SOURCE)

Ignoring the "as budgeted", and "projected" that puts Mr. Obama with 3 out of 8 (37.5%) "trillion dollar" deficits and Mr. Trump with 1 out of 2 (50%).

If you include the "as budgeted" that means that Mr. Obama still has 3 out of 8 (37.5%) but that Mr. Trump has 2 out of 3 (66.66%).

If you include the "projected" then Mr. Obama still has 3 out of 8 (37.5%) and Mr. Trump ends up with 3 out of 4 (75%).

The ONLY reason why Mr. Trump has not managed to run as many trillion dollar deficit budgets than Mr. Obama did is that Mr. Trump hasn't yet managed to complete four fiscal years for which he was responsible for the budget.
 
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