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US border agents to pursue migrants in ‘sanctuary’ cities

So...... why do you suppose he(TRUMP) put his name on$$$$FUNDING$$$$ THEM?






Trump signs $1.3 trillion spending bill, despite earlier threat to veto | Fox News

Clearly civics is not your strong suit. The budget Congress passed was with a veto-proof majority. Trump had no choice in the matter. At best he could have delayed the bill becoming law by a couple of weeks if he didn't sign it. The fact of the matter is that the last 9 budgets passed by Congress have all been with a veto-proof majority, that includes all 3 of Trump's budgets and 6 of Obama's budgets as well. You should really learn more about how your government functions, so you won't look so ignorant next time.
 
Where "A" has a valid reason to be suspicious, then, indeed, "A" could well have the legal right to detain.

Where "B" tells "A" that he ("B") thinks that there might possibly be a reason to be suspicious, then, most likely, "A" does NOT have the legal right to detain

A valid reason can also come from "tips," right? From informers?



When you do recall, you will also remember that you don't like the taste.


Yeah - like when they stop you on the road just to check if you've been drinking and driving (like what they do now because of MADD) -
no, I don't like that!




Indeed, and "just because ICE is doing what I want to see done" is NOT a legal justification for ICE to act beyond its legal powers.

:lol: We're not talking about what's legal and what's not. I said:

If ICE has the legal power to do that, then it's still part of due process.





No one doubts that ICE has the legal power to ASK another law enforcement agency to carry out an unlawful detention.

You don't like it that they have that legal power?

"just because ICE is doing what YOU DON'T want to see done?"




Not in the least. What happens (using Canada as an example) is that the US government goes to the courts of the country involved and REQUESTS a warrant for the arrest of the person in question. The US government has to provide EVIDENCE that would justify the issuance of the arrest warrant in response to its REQUEST. Then the person arrested is afforded the opportunity to "make full answer and defence" AFTER the US government has proven that the offence for which the extradition is sought is one where extradition is provided for in the relevant treaty. AFTER the order for extradition has been made (or refused) the parties have the right to appeal and can continue appealing right past the Supreme Court of Canada and to the relevant Minister. The relevant Minister has the absolute and unfettered authority to REFUSE any REQUEST for extradition REGARDLESS of the decision of any court.

If that's the analogy that comes to mind, then all I can say is that you don't appear to understand how extradition actually works.

No, I didn't know in details how extradition process works.

Come to think of it - the case of Huawei executive - she was arrested in Canada, right? At the request of the USA - to be extradited. I don't know if the USA had provided any hard evidence to the Canadian authorities. I think it's up to the countries involved (USA and Canada in this case) how they want to go about their extradition agreement. Here, I found this:


Here’s how it works
Huawei executive to be extradited to the U.S.: Here’s how it works - National | Globalnews.ca




Canada isn't trying to stop the extradition - she is! She's exhausting the process to fight it through the Justice system.


Huawei executive to fight extradition to the US on charges of bank, wire fraud - ABC News
 
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Oh boy, more wasted effort on feel-good immigration crackdowns that don't actually address the root cause of the problem.

The root of the problem is corrupt poor countries that millions of people are trying to escape from... what do we do about that?
 
The root of the problem is corrupt poor countries that millions of people are trying to escape from... what do we do about that?

Many of their corrupt leaders have been supported by our government.
 
ICE should just say "We need local law enforcement to catch illegal immigrants because we're not very good at doing it ourselves".

Local police have a very good reason for not wanting to do this. Undocumented immigrants won't report crimes if they know they'll be deported. Most of us would prefer that crimes be reported. Trump supporters prefer to see those without paperwork be terrorized and deported. Why, I do not understand.
 
So you are saying that we are support them in their corruptness?

Yes. All they had to do is say is that they were anti-communist and protect imperialists like United Fruit, and we were on their side.
 
Yes. All they had to do is say is that they were anti-communist and protect imperialists like United Fruit, and we were on their side.

That was 130 years ago... what about today?
 
Local police have a very good reason for not wanting to do this. Undocumented immigrants won't report crimes if they know they'll be deported. Most of us would prefer that crimes be reported. Trump supporters prefer to see those without paperwork be terrorized and deported. Why, I do not understand.

When laws are broken, any decent society encourages enforcing those laws... Anti-Trump Zealots don't care about enforcing law.

Why? Because they are playing politics instead of helping people and the USA itself.
 
A valid reason can also come from "tips," right? From informers?

Indeed they could. But

"Because I think that there is a possibility that 'X' could be an illegal alien and I am thinking about considering possibly attempting to get a warrant so that I can arrest 'X'."

doesn't quite come up to the standard required to keep someone incarcerated when you have no other valid legal reason to do so.

Yeah - like when they stop you on the road just to check if you've been drinking and driving (like what they do now because of MADD) - no, I don't like that!

You really ought to learn what the actual law is on that. The police do NOT have the legal right to "stop you on the road just to check if you've been drinking and driving" under any and all circumstances.

:lol: We're not talking about what's legal and what's not. I said:

If ICE has the legal power to do that, then it's still part of due process.

Indeed, that is what you did say, and I told you exactly what "legal power" ICE had to REQUIRE other agencies to continue the incarceration of anyone WITHOUT first having obtained a warrant and WITHOUT there actually being an ICE agent directly involved.

You don't like it that they have that legal power?

Where did I say that? I am quite content with ICE having the "legal power" to ASK another law enforcement agency to perform an illegal act. Why shouldn't I? After all I have the "legal power" to ASK a law enforcement agency to perform an illegal act and why would I want ICE to have LESS "legal power" than I have?

No, I didn't know in details how extradition process works.

Which was completely obvious to anyone who DID know how the extradition process works.

Mind you, I rather suspect that you will (very shortly) forget what I told you about how the extradition process works and revert to thinking that every country that has an extradition treaty MUST send anyone that someone in the US law enforcement field wants sent to the US to the US and that it doesn't matter what (if any) reason that American law enforcement person has for wanting the person sent to the US.

Come to think of it - the case of Huawei executive - she was arrested in Canada, right? At the request of the USA - to be extradited.

Not quite. Ms. Meng was arrested by CANADIAN law enforcement personnel, under CANADIAN law, pursuant to a CANADIAN arrest warrant, issued by a CANADIAN judge, after the US authorities had presented their case in a CANADIAN court where their REQUEST was considered pursuant to CANADIAN law.

I don't know if the USA had provided any hard evidence to the Canadian authorities.

They hadn't and they still haven't. In fact, all that is actually required is for the REQUESTING government to produce a sufficiency of evidence to establish that it actually has a potential case to try.

Of course the case has to be with respect to actions which are criminal under the laws of BOTH countries at the time those actions were done.
 
I think it's up to the countries involved (USA and Canada in this case) how they want to go about their extradition agreement.
Here, I found this:

Huawei executive to be extradited to the U.S.: Here’s how it works - National | Globalnews.ca

For an update, you might want to read "Huawei executive's case in limbo after judge adjourns court".

The situation is not quite as simple as the media tries to make it sound for the consumers of its media output. (Mind you, I did find the description from the Canadian media source to be somewhat LESS bowdlerized than the description from the American media source.

You might also not be aware that the CANADIAN Minister of Justice has the absolute discretion to REFUSE to issue the necessary extradition papers REGARDLESS of what the court finds with respect to whether the US government has a potentially triable case (and that one of the reasons that the CANADIAN Minister of Justice has the unquestioned right to use to justify REFUSING to issue the requisite documents [regardless of the strength of the REQUESTING country's case and also REGARDLESS of whether the actions were - in fact - illegal in both countries at the time they were undertaken] is if the extradition is being sought for [in the Minister's opinion] "political reasons").

You might want to consider whether or not Mr. Trump's (strongly implied) "If China does what we want it to do with regard to trade then we won't continue to try and extradite Ms. Meng." could potentially be enough to justify a determination that the extradition is being sought for "political reasons".

There is also the concurrent court activity with respect to whether the RCMP and the American law enforcement agencies acted illegally in the way that they went about arresting Ms. Meng. Should Ms. Meng win that case (i.e. should she be able to prove that "more likely than not" her civil rights were violated) then everything subsequent to that arrest becomes "fruit of the forbidden tree" and that, too, would justify the Minister in refusing to issue the requisite extradition documents.

Canada isn't trying to stop the extradition - she is!

Since, under the laws of Canada the government of the United States of America has the right to REQUEST that Ms. Meng be extradited, why would you be surprised that the government of Canada is complying with the laws of Canada?

Please don't tell me that that is because you find it a novel experience to see the government of a country complying with its own laws.

She's exhausting the process to fight it through the Justice system.

Indeed, and that is what the laws of Canada provide for.

PS - Canadian judges are NOT "elected". They are selected from a list of qualified lawyers prepared by the relevant provincial bar association and they are rated (on that list) for their breadth of legal knowledge, their probity, and the soundness of their legal work to date. That means that Justice Holmes (the Canadian system does not make any distinction between male and female judges) is free to make her decision completely free of any political pressure from anyone EVEN FROM THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA OR FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA without fear of repercussions.
 
That was 130 years ago... what about today?

Today all they have to do is to say that they are anti-communist, pro (American) investment, and anti-terrorist. Whether or not they are ACTUALLY anti-communist, and whether or not they are ACTUALLY anti-terrorist is completely irrelevant as long as they are ACTUALLY pro (American) investment (whether they require huge bribes to get them to actually APPROVE the (American) investment is also completely irrelevant.
 
On the question at hand, maybe sanctuary cities recognize that illegals subsidize our food, construction costs, meals in restaurants, motel room costs, meat packing companies, etc. One of the solutions to this might be raising wages, making it easier for unions or organize workers, etc. But as Gomer Pyle would say, “Surprahs, surprahs!” The same political forces that complain about illegals e.g, Trump, do little or nothing policy-wise. Trump permitted a dangerous pesticide under study to be used, great for farmworkers, and eliminated the requirement that a firm’s employee death and injury record be considered in awarding government contracts. Is anyone surprahsed?

And of course, lots of employers of these folks are republican.

If you don’t like illegals, start picking fruit.
 
Today all they have to do is to say that they are anti-communist, pro (American) investment, and anti-terrorist. Whether or not they are ACTUALLY anti-communist, and whether or not they are ACTUALLY anti-terrorist is completely irrelevant as long as they are ACTUALLY pro (American) investment (whether they require huge bribes to get them to actually APPROVE the (American) investment is also completely irrelevant.

sounds like a conspiracy theory...
 
Oh boy, more wasted effort on feel-good immigration crackdowns that don't actually address the root cause of the problem.
What will?

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
The root of the problem is corrupt poor countries that millions of people are trying to escape from... what do we do about that?

Most immigrants come here for jobs. Take the jobs away and a lot of them will stop coming.
 
What will?

Enacting harsh penalties on companies that hire illegal immigrants. Harsh enough that the decreased labor costs aren't worth the risk of getting caught. As long as illegal immigrants can easily get jobs here that pay more than their home countries, there's a huge incentive for them to come.

It's like we're living in a house with piles of mouse food lying all over the place. Maybe clean up the mouse food first before spending money on mouse traps.
 
Clearly civics is not your strong suit. The budget Congress passed was with a veto-proof majority. Trump had no choice in the matter. At best he could have delayed the bill becoming law by a couple of weeks if he didn't sign it. The fact of the matter is that the last 9 budgets passed by Congress have all been with a veto-proof majority, that includes all 3 of Trump's budgets and 6 of Obama's budgets as well. You should really learn more about how your government functions, so you won't look so ignorant next time.


Clearly civics is not your strong suit.

Clearly "principle" isn't your strong suit


Trump had no choice in the matter.

Yes, congress had Trump in a "Head lock" and then did an "Indian Burn" to his arm

It gets worse... they then proceeded to put a gun to the middle of his back and he was FORCED to sign

It was rather a sad
 
Answer it yourself. You are are the only one interested is smearing Trump. And you will fail anyway.

Not at all

People just ignore the facts I post and pretend there is nothing bad happening still while Trump is Prez
 
Want to try to restate your question? You got NOWHERE with $$$$$ and CAPS.

No way

"You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"

-Ayn Rand
 
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